Why do people like Tobirama so much?

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If he hadn't created Edo Tensei = Less war potential for enemies

If he hadn't killed Izuna = No war declared, because no Obito brainwashed by Madara = No Madara with a seek of revenge.

If he hadn't put Uchiha Clan near the prison = No trying for the Coup D'Etat = No Uchiha Massacre from Itachi = No vengeance for Sasuke.

That is the why people like him, right ? :)
 

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If he hadn't created Edo Tensei = Less war potential for enemies

If he hadn't killed Izuna = No war declared, because no Obito brainwashed by Madara = No Madara with a seek of revenge.

If he hadn't put Uchiha Clan near the prison = No trying for the Coup D'Etat = No Uchiha Massacre from Itachi = No vengeance for Sasuke.

That is the why people like him, right ? :)
Good points.
 

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amazing character that fights like a senju, he's the image that comes to mind when you discuss the Justus/talent of the senju clan as a whole.

He has both mindset of Hiruzen and Danzo.

Show fairness to the uchihas and work near them, but keep a watchful eye on them because of they're curse.

He was willing to save Sasuke of all uchihas

He did this out of fear not spite.
 

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If he hadn't created Edo Tensei = Less war potential for enemies

If he hadn't killed Izuna = No war declared, because no Obito brainwashed by Madara = No Madara with a seek of revenge.

If he hadn't put Uchiha Clan near the prison = No trying for the Coup D'Etat = No Uchiha Massacre from Itachi = No vengeance for Sasuke.

That is the why people like him, right ? :)
As far as Izuna, it was a ninja battle... It was either him or Izuna.. "Either you kill or be killed"..
 

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Yes, but still an act, and acts remain consequences
I definitely understand what you are saying, but that's not a good reason to blame Tobirama...Madara and Izuna had sense enough to know of the possibility of them dying in a war. They decided to fight in a war. The "consequences" was Izuna's death... A whole lot of ninja face consequences, and that's death, Both Uchiha and Senju...I don't blame Tobirama for killing Izuna. In a war, either you kill or be killed. Yes Izuna death could have been the main reason for Madara's actions, but it don't justify Madara's actions neither.... People quick to blame Tobirama for his rational thinking and decisions and flaws, but fail to point out Madara's flaws...
 

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I definitely understand what you are saying, but that's not a good reason to blame Tobirama...Madara and Izuna had sense enough to know of the possibility of them dying in a war. They decided to fight in a war. The "consequences" was Izuna's death... A whole lot of ninja face consequences, and that's death, Both Uchiha and Senju...I don't blame Tobirama for killing Izuna. In a war, either you kill or be killed. Yes Izuna death could have been the main reason for Madara's actions, but it don't justify Madara's actions neither.... People quick to blame Tobirama for his rational thinking and decisions and flaws, but fail to point out Madara's flaws...
Yes of course
 

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I was scrolling through Naruto Forum and found a thread about which Edo Hokage did people favor most.


In a vote for favorite Edo Hokage, Tobirama beats Hashi, Hiruzen and Minato by large margins. While all of them had great feats during the war, what made Tobirama stand out to people?
Probably because he's cool-looking, a great strategist, comical, an inventor, the creator of democracy and several other things.

When you think of what Tobirama did to the Uchiha, and how his students (Hiruzen and Danzo) would be the arbiters of the Uchiha Clan's destruction and the then present state of the ninja world (the rise of the Akatsuki, Oro and his schemes, the 4th Ninja War etc). You would think Tobirama would be as despised.
Oh yes, Tobirama is responsible for ALL CONFLICT IN NARUTO! Cliche much?

First of all, conflict existed with the human race long before even Kaguya herself arrived. After that, it still waged, due to Indra being a spoiled brat and easily swayed by a stranger who promised him power.

Tobirama came across those who followed Madara's ideals for a coup and domination over the villages. In response, he kept them out of the village to protect everyone and eventually, it turned out he was right and they did arrange a coup. You cannot blame Tobirama for Madara's ideals. Madara grew up in war, losing all his siblings, following his arrogant ass father's examples just as Tobirama and Hashirama grew up losing their family as well. If Madara wished no harm to come to his brother, he should have taken him out of the wars or at the very least kept him away from Tobirama, who was a a ninjutsu genius anyway and had already lost his own brother, in a far worse manner than Izuna no less.

Tobirama gave them their own village and the police force. I will agree it seemed a bit subjugationalist to not let them live with and breed with Konoha directly, but Tobirama had dealt with the Uchiha his whole life and knew more about the sharingan than even they did and even went on to explain that countless Uchiha became either corrupted or even insane by their sharingans. Clearly he felt it would be too dangerous to completely let his guard down with such power, intellect and skills as theirs. Furthermore, they had access to knowledge no one else in the world had on the tablet, which as we saw, corrupted several of them further. One of Tobirama's students was an Uchiha whom he respected, so clearly he wasn't racist or hateful towards them, he just wanted to protect his people who were near defenseless against them at a time of peace.

Hiruzen did not arrange the Uchiha massacre. Danzou underminded him and did it the night before his final decision, just as Danzo had underminded him countless times throughout the series.
 
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Tobirama was pretty realistic, don't know why everyone tries to play him off as a bad or evil character. Heck Tobirama himself said he doesn't hate the Uchiha, he just saw them a threat and made measures to ensure another madara wouldn't arise and potentially harm the village; albeit it still happened Lol

If I'm ranking the edo hokages, Tobirama would probably be the lowest one though....
 

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If he hadn't created Edo Tensei = Less war potential for enemies
And no Itachi to save Naruto and Sasuke.

If he hadn't killed Izuna = No war declared, because no Obito brainwashed by Madara = No Madara with a seek of revenge.
Madara didn't construct his plot for Izuna, he did it due to the information he read on the Uchiha stone. Tobirama lost his brother too. Did he take it out on the world? Nope.

And Obito wasn't just brainwashed by Madara, he was mentally traumatized due to how Rin was killed.

If he hadn't put Uchiha Clan near the prison = No trying for the Coup D'Etat = No Uchiha Massacre from Itachi = No vengeance for Sasuke.
Tobirama stated after investigation, that some of the Uchiha were adopting Madara's ideals and it was for this reason that he kept them out. He could have destroyed them but did he? No.

Danzou was essentially responsible for the coup, by shifting blame to the Uchiha for it.
 

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And no Itachi to save Naruto and Sasuke.
Itachi already had a contingency for Sasuke. It was the crow with Shisui's MS eye and the jutsu it was supposed to cast on Ssauke; "Protect Konoha". Because of Edo Tensei the jutsu was cast on Edo Itachi instead. Complicating matters for Naruto and Sasuke down the line. With Sasuke's whole "revolution" thing and "I'm gonna kill all the Kage, Naruto and Tailed Beasts. Gawd Sasuke is a maniac. The worst of Zabuza, Oro, Danzo, the Uchiha and Madara all manifest in him
 

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Tobirama was pretty realistic, don't know why everyone tries to play him off as a bad or evil character. Heck Tobirama himself said he doesn't hate the Uchiha, he just saw them a threat and made measures to ensure another madara wouldn't arise and potentially harm the village; albeit it still happened Lol

If I'm ranking the edo hokages, Tobirama would probably be the lowest one though....
I probably wouldn't have shoved all the Uchiha into one location though. I think that was a bad move.

Edo Tensei also wasn't the wisest choice :)
 

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Itachi already had a contingency for Sasuke. It was the crow with Shisui's MS eye and the jutsu it was supposed to cast on Ssauke; "Protect Konoha".
I was referring to Itachi giving advice to Naruto and saving Sasuke from Kabuto.

Because of Edo Tensei the jutsu was cast on Edo Itachi instead. Complicating matters for Naruto and Sasuke down the line.
Itachi didn't complicate anything. He said Naruto would be able to bring him back, and he did, alive and well. He saved Sasuke from Kabuto and convinced Kabuto to come to his senses, which in turn had him save Sasuke again from Madara.

With Sasuke's whole "revolution" thing and "I'm gonna kill all the Kage, Naruto and Tailed Beasts.
It was wrong, but revolutions have saved, united and changed countless nations across history regardless of how immoral they were.

Gawd Sasuke is a maniac. The worst of Zabuza, Oro, Danzo, the Uchiha and Madara all manifest in him
The topic is about Tobirama, not Itachi or Sasuke lols.
 

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Kin and Gin were part of cloud shinobi that killed him...
Scan? I don't remember that even being hinted... Ik it was said he fought them with the Raikage of the time before his death... Unless you mean to say that when Tobirama died, the Raikage magically decided to help him :|
 

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It's pretty obvious.

Kin and Gin died leaving Tobirama near death but survived the match anyway. So unless you're insinuating that the brothers dropped dead of their own accord, and their squad just happened to hunt down Tobirama then you don't have a foot to stand on.

Even then, the databook hints that Tobirama used a bluff tactic to wipe himself and the squad out with Gojou Kibaku Fuda.

Oh and to add to Hyuga Prodigy's post, another impressive feat:

+ He was still able to use Suiton despite the rods impaling him.
Sure they died before him?

 
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