[Discussion] Why do people believe Garp had the ability to Kill Akainu?

[chopstickchakra]

Well excuse the shit out of me. Allow me to rephrase: None of what he said directly translates as support that Garp beats Akainu.

That's accurate.

One thing is certain it's that oda showed garp even at his old age to be in a similar level to the admirals. No one could swat Marco like that not even kizaru when Marco completely turned his back on him. There should no be doubt that garp is an individual who belongs in the top tier in MF.

That's accurate as well.

 

[TheLegend0713]

You very much can. Many people like to note that Marco was essentially blindsided by Garp. He basically had no defenses up for the punch that Garp delivered and ended up taking it head on. Someone failing to throw up a defense because they were surprised is no different fundamentally from them just choosing not to throw up a defense at all.

And that shows why the bruising to Marco doesn't mean jack shit. Fundamentally, Garp having no defenses up for Luffy's punch because he was throwing the fight is no different than Marco having no defenses up for Garp's punch because it was coming by surprise due to the fact that both, at the end of the day, didn't have up defenses. If you want to hold relevance to something as stupid as a bruise, then that means Luffy is closer to Garp than Garp is to Marco because Garp only made a bruise on Marco while Luffy made blood spew from Garp's mouth and forehead.

I see your point, but at the same time, I don't quite agree. If Luffy had blindsided Garp, and put him out of the fight, I'd concede the point, but I feel like Garp wasn't unable to fight, he chose not to continue. I feel like, by your argument, if Luffy had chosen not to get back up during his duel against Usopp, then I could conclude Usopp is superior to Luffy.

 

[ToshiZO]

The only one Sengoku saved there was Garp's old ass.

Akainu was not injured at that time he would have laid Garp out no doubt.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I see your point, but at the same time, I don't quite agree. If Luffy had blindsided Garp, and put him out of the fight, I'd concede the point, but I feel like Garp wasn't unable to fight, he chose not to continue. I feel like, by your argument, if Luffy had chosen not to get back up during his duel against Usopp, then I could conclude Usopp is superior to Luffy.

That's not at all what my argument suggests whatsoever.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sengoku wouldn't of held him down if he wasn't able to.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sengoku wouldn't of held him down if he wasn't able to.

This is so stupid. If he didn't have the ability to, that means Akainu would have killed him. That's a PERFECT REASON for Sengoku to hold him down. That shit doesn't support anything.

 

[arv993]

The only one Sengoku saved there was Garp's old ass.

Akainu was not injured at that time he would have laid Garp out no doubt.

If that was the authors intent it would have been shown in a more clear fashion. Sengoku did that for the sake of how the marines would look and the whole bringing justice to criminals narrative, if anyone thinks garp is some pushover that akainu can mid diff they're not reading the manga properly.

 

[sravan]

None of this is proof of anything.

What you need proof? Garp cornered roger man that is enogh to put him above akainu. Roger is the strongest character(i can say a godly character In one piece) .Garp rejected Admiral position.so it proves he has enough strength to become admiral. He has enough fighting experience because he fought in roger era. He has haki.
Why the heck do you even believe a marine hero who is on the same level as the pirate king cant kill akainu?

 

[-Akuma-]

Because Garp is not a ****ing scrub like Luffy and old legends can still tango with Admiral (Ray vs Kizaru) on top of the fact Garp was barely hurt and Akainu had some damage on him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What you need proof? Garp cornered roger man that is enogh to put him above akainu.

Where is the evidence that suggests that Akainu couldn't do the same?

Roger is the strongest character(i can say a godly character In one piece) .

"Godly"
Then so are the current Admirals and Yonko, since there is no evidence to suggest that Roger was even remotely close to a tier above them.

He has enough fighting experience because he fought in roger era.

He has haki.

Once again, neither of these things function as evidence that suggest Garp is superior to Akainu. You're just listing things about Garp, but you lack any explanation on how these things translate to superiority over Akainu.

Why the heck do you even believe a marine hero who is on the same level as the pirate king cant kill akainu?

I never said he can't, I said none of what you said suggests superiority.

Because Garp is not a ****ing scrub like Luffy and old legends can still tango with Admiral (Ray vs Kizaru) on top of the fact Garp was barely hurt and Akainu had some damage on him.

Horrible example. Kizaru, a man who isn't a swordsman, made Rayleigh, a master swordsman, tired in a sword duel. If Kizaru using what isn't even his best method of fighting makes Rayleigh tired while the latter is using his best method, then that suggests the exact opposite: Rayleigh's age and inactivity has made him inferior to an Admiral in the long-run.

 

[-Akuma-]

Where is the evidence that suggests that Akainu couldn't do the same?


"Godly"
Then so are the current Admirals and Yonko, since there is no evidence to suggest that Roger was even remotely close to a tier above them.





Once again, neither of these things function as evidence that suggest Garp is superior to Akainu. You're just listing things about Garp, but you lack any explanation on how these things translate to superiority over Akainu.

I never said he can't, I said none of what you said suggests superiority.

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[Punk Hazard]

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If it's this obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem showing irrefutable evidence that Akainu couldn't contend with Roger.

 

[ToshiZO]

If that was the authors intent it would have been shown in a more clear fashion. Sengoku did that for the sake of how the marines would look and the whole bringing justice to criminals narrative, if anyone thinks garp is some pushover that akainu can mid diff they're not reading the manga properly.

I don't know about any mid diff, but I know Akainu would be the one standing at the end.

 

[Bogard]

I used to think Garp could have killed him but now i'm not so sure anymore. I'm starting to think the gap between the older generation and the middle isn't as big as i used to believe and i always rated Garp below Whitebeard and Roger, and he is old here to boot

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

If it's this obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem showing irrefutable evidence that Akainu couldn't contend with Roger.

If a sick old WB was able to get "the jump" on Akainu, and a Garp was = Roger = WB then we can safely assume that Akainu won't be "cornering" shit.

This is absolute pure speculation and you quite clearly won't be changing your view any time soon, but the one thing you never do is agree to disagree, you're so self righteous in the way you think. I think Garp would be picking his nose whilst he swats Akainu's attack away and that Akainu would be grovelling in the end. There's no "proof" or examples of "superiority" that you could possibly bring up that would make me think otherwise. I feel the manga has quite clearly shown that Garp is an absolute beast that Akainu has no chance of beating.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If a sick old WB was able to get "the jump" on Akainu, and a Garp was = Roger = WB then we can safely assume that Akainu won't be "cornering" shit.

Lol no you can't. Jumping someone doesn't count for shit, and even with the jump, Whitebeard still got the worst of it.

This is absolute pure speculation and you quite clearly won't be changing your view any time soon, but the one thing you never do is agree to disagree, you're so self righteous in the way you think

This is a thread for debate. If you continue posting replies to me, it's for debate. If you want to "agree to disagree," then the way to do it is for someone to stop replying.

I think Garp would be picking his nose whilst he swats Akainu's attack away and that Akainu would be grovelling in the end.

Nothing supports this.

There's no "proof" or examples of "superiority" that you could possibly bring up that would make me think otherwise.

Not only is there no proof of this, but there's evidence against this. Akainu's attacks have been consistently portrayed as on par with Whitebeard's Quakes, so unless Garp is doing the same thing to those Quakes, which I'm sure even the dumbest of the dumb won't, then he's not doing that to Akainu's attacks.

I feel the manga has quite clearly shown that Garp is an absolute beast that Akainu has no chance of beating.

You're free to be wrong.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Leave it too NB to think every friggin top tier was actually as strong if not stronger than Roger..Just please...stop bothering reading One Piece with so little comprehension, it's annoying

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

This is so stupid. If he didn't have the ability to, that means Akainu would have killed him. That's a PERFECT REASON for Sengoku to hold him down. That shit doesn't support anything.

This is absolute stupidity.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is absolute stupidity.

"If Garp didn't have the ability to beat Akainu, Akainu would beat him."

"That's stupid."

You hear yourself, champ?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

"If Garp didn't have the ability to beat Akainu, Akainu would beat him."

"That's stupid."

You hear yourself, champ?

And then Coby stood right in front of Akainu. The stupidity is fantasizing or speculating that Garp would not be able to put down Akainu.
So no, you don't hear what is written, you read it. And what I read was and is completely stupid.