Why did Madara think he had been resurrected by Nagato's technique? + Tobi theory

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Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique

When Madara Uchiha was first summoned by Kabuto he said, 'So it finally happened. It would appear that little brat Nagato finally managed to grow'. And shortly after was surprised that he had been resurrected by the Edo Tensei.

During the Invasion of Pain Arc, when Nagato used Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, it only resurrected people who had recently died - hence the reason Jiraiya wasn't brought back to life. I'm sure that was how the jutsu was explained during the time.

So why did Madara, after being dead for years, expect this technique to bring him back? I don't know, perhaps it can be used in a more direct way and bring back one chosen person instead of just resurrecting numerous people that have recently died, but I'm just going from evidence and how we have seen the jutsu used.

Also, Tobi said that Nagato's jutsu was meant for him. I think this supports the idea of Tobi being created by Madara. I believe Tobi was created by Madara. As Madara seems to have planned to use Tobi in order to get Nagato to revive himself. If Tobi was given Madara's will, then perhaps this is what he meant by 'him'. He believed that Nagato's jutsu was supposed to be used to revive Madara - his true self.

In the last episode of the Anime, during Tobi and Konan's battle, part of Tobi's face was revealed and it was shown to have a really dark skin complexion. If you compare it with pictures of Madara you can clearly see Tobi's skin tone is several shades darker. Tobi's complexion is more like Hashirama's.

It is for this reason I have come up with my own wild theory: Tobi was created from both the dna of Madara and Hashirama. He was created by Madara and instilled with Madara's memories and will. He was created as the 'original' white Zetsu. And by that I mean Tobi was created from the same matter that was later used to create white Zetsu (We saw that Tobi was made of was made of a similar white gooey substance during his battle with Minato). Bare in mind that I'm not trying to say Tobi is Zetsu, just that they are made from the same matter. It says on Naruto wiki that White Zetsu was created by Tobi from the cells of Hashirama, so I believe Tobi inherited Hashirama's DNA from Madara shortly before his death. If Madara gave Tobi his memories, his will etc, Tobi would know how to create Zetsu, with the knowledge of how he himself was created by Madara. It would explain how he knows everything of Madara's past, and it would explain why he is so old. Finally this might also explain why we haven't seen him use MS - maybe the clone is incomplete in some way, and because he is a clone he cannot fully harness the powers of the Sharingan, and this is why Itachi said he is a 'shell' of his former self. This is wild speculation, I by no means believe I have found the answer. Feel free to shoot me down or add to my theory. I look forward to your responses! Peace. x
 
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nagato said he could only revive those people because he didn't have enough chakra
Oh okay, that's fair enough then. But considering he had a full supply of chakra, could he just revive millions of people that have been dead for 20 years let's hypothetically say? I'm just curious to how the technique works exactly. Does it have no limitations regarding you have enough chakra to support the jutsu?
 
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T.T ive been saying this for months

but the other missing part of my theory is that

How Rinne tensei works is, you take a soul and place it into a body..

What body would have been used? madaras body is gone and decayed...
I believe tobi would have been the container for Madara..

Yes when he said rinne tensei was supposed to be used on ME , he meant madara, but i think he meant it in that way also... it was supposed to be used on him..

As itachi called him, A shell of his former self.... Tobi also said his goal was to become complete....
 

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good theory + rep
... of topic but could someone tell me the # of the manga chapters where tobi reveals his identity to kisame and where kisame dies
- This is where Tobi revelas his identity to Tobi. After looking at this it makes me think that it is somebody simple and not some wild clone theory. Kisame seems to recognise him so maybe they have always been right under our noses.

Kisame dies in the recent Anime episodes, you can watch them at *********.com. It's episode 251.
 

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- This is where Tobi revelas his identity to Tobi. After looking at this it makes me think that it is somebody simple and not some wild clone theory. Kisame seems to recognise him so maybe they have always been right under our noses.

Kisame dies in the recent Anime episodes, you can watch them at *********.com. It's episode 251.
thnks and sgsin nice theory
 

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Madaras memories may explain why Tobi said that he gave Nagato the eyes. Maybe they were Madaras and Tobi just sort of remembers what Madara did? Maybe he sometimes forgets and messes up his experiences with Madaras and that's why he's being so hyper? Maybe since the moment Madara has been revived Tobi is no longer bound to his memories, therefore regaining his senses and having own personality. And perhaps he says he has no name since his a simple mix, creation of things and in fact doesn't know which one he is? Ur theory makes sense
 
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T.T ive been saying this for months

but the other missing part of my theory is that

How Rinne tensei works is, you take a soul and place it into a body..

What body would have been used? madaras body is gone and decayed...
I believe tobi would have been the container for Madara..

Yes when he said rinne tensei was supposed to be used on ME , he meant madara, but i think he meant it in that way also... it was supposed to be used on him..

As itachi called him, A shell of his former self.... Tobi also said his goal was to become complete....
This is what I was saying at the beginning and why I was confused that Madara thought Rinne Tensei could revive him after he would have rotted to bones. Rinne Tensei is a power that defies the logics of life and death and is said to 'breath life' back into the user's body, so maybe it reinstates all damage and physical decay. Why else would Madara expect to be brought back by that Jutsu if it didn't restore the body?

I don't think Madara's soul was placed anywhere. Madara died and his soul was in the afterlife that is why he was able to be summoned by Edo Tensei. If Madara's soul was placed into Tobi, then he couldn't have been summoned by Kabuto because his soul was already earth-bound. I think Madara could have gave Tobi his will and his memories by some means.
 

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T.T ive been saying this for months

but the other missing part of my theory is that

How Rinne tensei works is, you take a soul and place it into a body..

What body would have been used? madaras body is gone and decayed...
I believe tobi would have been the container for Madara..

Yes when he said rinne tensei was supposed to be used on ME , he meant madara, but i think he meant it in that way also... it was supposed to be used on him..

As itachi called him, A shell of his former self.... Tobi also said his goal was to become complete....
I think this is true, but I'd take it one step further.

Not only do I think Tobi was meant to be Madara's new container, but I think he is in fact using Madara's old body. TBH, the two lines just above and below Tobi's right eye match Madara's original eye lines perfectly.

As to the OP, I think his skin is darker because he was burned by the explosion. I mean his mask was broken by the explosion, so its safe to assume he was burned by it. Again, I really think that Tobi is using Madara's old body and that perhaps Nagato making use of the Juubi's chakra would have been enough for him to revive anyone, even Madara.
 

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This is what I was saying at the beginning and why I was confused that Madara thought Rinne Tensei could revive him after he would have rotted to bones. Rinne Tensei is a power that defies the logics of life and death and is said to 'breath life' back into the user's body, so maybe it reinstates all damage and physical decay. Why else would Madara expect to be brought back by that Jutsu if it didn't restore the body?

I don't think Madara's soul was placed anywhere. Madara died and his soul was in the afterlife that is why he was able to be summoned by Edo Tensei. If Madara's soul was placed into Tobi, then he couldn't have been summoned by Kabuto because his soul was already earth-bound. I think Madara could have gave Tobi his will and his memories by some means.
naww i was saying that his soul WAS supposed to be put into tobi by nagato via rinne tensei, (Pulling his soul from the outer world)

I mean Madaras body is gone.. and i dont see tobi putting his soul into a random zetsu...
 
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