Why are you atheists/agnostic?

[Itachi Namikaze]

besides what he was trying to explain was the concept of how a being may seem like a superior being to another less developed or technologically deprived beign
and also whose whose to say we humans are all that and that there arent higher beigns than us, far as my imagination and logic go, there might be 20ft giants on some other planet that are a warlike race and come to invade us, but luckly we had technology from a 3mile long alien battleship that crashed on an island and we kicked the invaders asses.....wait that wasnt the best example..but you get the idea...REMAKE ROBOTECH FOR THE XBOX 360!

Thank you for understanding my point. That kid is retarded. He is probably a 14 year old raised in a very liberal home who thinks that he knows everything in the world.


The point was who knows what we would think of some race more advanced and intelligent than us.


And to the retard kid, you clearly didn't understand my point or else you wouldn't be arguing but you said what sets humans apart is that we can learn and adapt.

Well let me ask you something, do you think that we had this ability since we started out as a small unicellular organism? It could have happened to any animal but by chance we evolved that way.

And guess what, we aren't the only animals to be able to learn, what about apes and dolphins, and whales? They all learn from experience and chimpanzees even use tools and can solve puzzles.

So if you could please answer the question and not be such a douche to everybody go ahead. Otherwise get off this thread because we don't need a narrow-minded person who refuses to accept any possibilities outside of the realm of their understanding.

 

[Hard2bringdown]

lol seriously how old are you? we are not the only ones that learn and develop.. wow, you just proved yourself , just close your mouth, your argument is invalid. ALL animals learn and develop. you make no sense.. humans just happen to be one of the smartest species, it has been stated that were not the smartest species on this planet.​

yea is like, imagine you have two people on an isolated land, one is kinda of stupid but is fit and healthy and the other is a genius, but unlike his counterpart, he doesnt have the means to use his intellect because he has a birth defect that left him unable to use basic motor skills, that you'd use to build things(ex)...while the moron over there just made a sucky ramp and managed to get to miami beach and party. there are species more intellegent than us but they dont have the means to use that I. at the same lv humans can

 

[nagato9]

lol seriously how old are you? we are not the only ones that learn and develop.. wow, you just proved yourself , just close your mouth, your argument is invalid. ALL animals learn and develop. you make no sense.. humans just happen to be one of the smartest species, it has been stated that were not the smartest species on this planet.​

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

Chimpanzees use tools! Whales learn from experience!


We are different from other animals only in the fact that we have evolved at a faster rate than most of them, but you clearly don't understand evolution.

Evolution is not a goal-oriented force. It purely works on traits that benefit survival. It isn't about becoming intelligent, it is about survival.

We didn't have the physical capabilities needed for survival, so those that could formulate plans and make tools survived. Over time our capacity for learning grew. Simple as that.

Most other animals won't evolve with the ability for higher brain functions because they don't need it to survive. Does a shark need to be able to create medicine for polio? Does it need to make tools to catch its prey? No and so those aren't the traits that are usually a factor in deaths and so are unaffected for the most part by evolution.

 

[Malebolgia]

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

Just because we can build things doesn't make us the smartest. Dolphins are known to be very intelligent, but do you think they can use that intelligence to it's fullest while having fins opposed to arms or not being able to leave the ocean because of their reliance on water to survive?

We have the resources to use our intelligence to its full capacity, but that doesn't mean we are the smartest.

 

[kaka96]

Chimpanzees use tools! Whales learn from experience!


We are different from other animals only in the fact that we have evolved at a faster rate than most of them, but you clearly don't understand evolution.

Evolution is not a goal-oriented force. It purely works on traits that benefit survival. It isn't about becoming intelligent, it is about survival.

We didn't have the physical capabilities needed for survival, so those that could formulate plans and make tools survived. Over time our capacity for learning grew. Simple as that.

Most other animals won't evolve with the ability for higher brain functions because they don't need it to survive. Does a shark need to be able to create medicine for polio? Does it need to make tools to catch its prey? No and so those aren't the traits that are usually a factor in deaths and so are unaffected for the most part by evolution.

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[Uchiha Paulsama]

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

lol here we go.. first off, you didn't answer my question, how old are you? it has been PROVEN that humans can only use 10% of their brain power, its somewhere, but i was hearing about that, it blew my mind. of course we are one of the smartest animals on this planet, but you were stating that no other animal can develop or learn , you have no right to say that. it has also been stated that dolphins can use more of their brain functions then humans, but i forgot the percentage, but it is higher.

although we may be able to create a pulley and all other types of things, for example Ants can create what we call a "Ant Hill", out of dirt, without our help, and the hill can be very tall and have decent width. also we humans open bananas wrong, we open them upside down, and monkeys open them the correct way, this has been proven also. must i go on? dolphins use sounds to detect what is around them, and they can detect what the object is from quite a distance.

once again, let me ask, how old are you?​

 

[Hard2bringdown]

Just because we can build things doesn't make us the smartest. Dolphins are known to be very intelligent, but do you think they can use that intelligence to it's fullest while having fins opposed to arms or not being able to leave the ocean because of their reliance on water to survive?

We have the resources to use our intelligence to its full capacity, but that doesn't mean we are the smartest.

same idea to the example i wrote back up topof the people in an island

 

[nagato9]

Chimpanzees use tools! Whales learn from experience!


We are different from other animals only in the fact that we have evolved at a faster rate than most of them, but you clearly don't understand evolution.

Evolution is not a goal-oriented force. It purely works on traits that benefit survival. It isn't about becoming intelligent, it is about survival.

We didn't have the physical capabilities needed for survival, so those that could formulate plans and make tools survived. Over time our capacity for learning grew. Simple as that.

Most other animals won't evolve with the ability for higher brain functions because they don't need it to survive. Does a shark need to be able to create medicine for polio? Does it need to make tools to catch its prey? No and so those aren't the traits that are usually a factor in deaths and so are unaffected for the most part by evolution.

yes thank you, i know what evolution is in other words darwinism (the weak die [the species that were not able the evolve] and the strong survive [the species that evolved] chimpanzees use simple tools such as rocks to crack open stuff. we create complex machines from what we find to suit our needs.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

lol here we go.. first off, you didn't answer my question, how old are you? it has been PROVEN that humans can only use 10% of their brain power, its somewhere, but i was hearing about that, it blew my mind. of course we are one of the smartest animals on this planet, but you were stating that no other animal can develop or learn , you have no right to say that. it has also been stated that dolphins can use more of their brain functions then humans, but i forgot the percentage, but it is higher.

although we may be able to create a pulley and all other types of things, for example Ants can create what we call a "Ant Hill", out of dirt, without our help, and the hill can be very tall and have decent width. also we humans open bananas wrong, we open them upside down, and monkeys open them the correct way, this has been proven also. must i go on? dolphins use sounds to detect what is around them, and they can detect what the object is from quite a distance.

once again, let me ask, how old are you?​

Actually that 10% thing is myth. Scientists in the late 80's thought that humans were hot shit and we had the potential for unlimited learning, but the truth of it is that while we are using 10% of our brain cells at any given time, the other ~90% are being used to store our memories.

What I am saying is that while we have all these brain cells, they are all in use, whether it be for memories or actually being used to control our physical functions and mental faculties.

 

[Iruka]

lol here we go.. first off, you didn't answer my question, how old are you? it has been PROVEN that humans can only use 10% of their brain power, its somewhere, but i was hearing about that, it blew my mind. of course we are one of the smartest animals on this planet, but you were stating that no other animal can develop or learn , you have no right to say that. it has also been stated that dolphins can use more of their brain functions then humans, but i forgot the percentage, but it is higher.

although we may be able to create a pulley and all other types of things, for example Ants can create what we call a "Ant Hill", out of dirt, without our help, and the hill can be very tall and have decent width. also we humans open bananas wrong, we open them upside down, and monkeys open them the correct way, this has been proven also. must i go on? dolphins use sounds to detect what is around them, and they can detect what the object is from quite a distance.

once again, let me ask, how old are you?​

Do you have any supporting evidence to the bolded text? I've heard it several times but it just seems strange for our minds to have developed far beyond what is needed for survival.

 

[Hard2bringdown]

yes thank you, i know what evolution is in other words darwinism (the weak die [the species that were not able the evolve] and the strong survive [the species that evolved] chimpanzees use simple tools such as rocks to crack open stuff. we create complex machines from what we find to suit our needs.

sry Nagato but he's refering to something like ->

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[nagato9]

lol here we go.. first off, you didn't answer my question, how old are you? it has been PROVEN that humans can only use 10% of their brain power, its somewhere, but i was hearing about that, it blew my mind. of course we are one of the smartest animals on this planet, but you were stating that no other animal can develop or learn , you have no right to say that. it has also been stated that dolphins can use more of their brain functions then humans, but i forgot the percentage, but it is higher.

although we may be able to create a pulley and all other types of things, for example Ants can create what we call a "Ant Hill", out of dirt, without our help, and the hill can be very tall and have decent width. also we humans open bananas wrong, we open them upside down, and monkeys open them the correct way, this has been proven also. must i go on? dolphins use sounds to detect what is around them, and they can detect what the object is from quite a distance.

once again, let me ask, how old are you?​

ahahaha you're funny. first of all, saying how old are you is most of the time a rhetorical question. secondly, you contradicted yourself because you clearly said that it has been proven that we are not the smartest people on this planet. just because we are not able to use 100% of our brain does not mean we aren't the smartest species on this planet, what it does do is give us and idea how powerful humans can be with 100% of their brains because we can be the dominant species with only 10%. and what literally made ma lmao is what you said "you have no right saying that" as if i just offended the animals lolol. dolphins use a higher percentage of THEIR brain. lets put it this way. the U.S. has 300m people and china has 1.3b people. 10% of the U.S. population is under 5 years old (i know that 10% of the U.S. population isn't under 5 , this is just an example) and 7% of the population in china is under 5 years old. does that mean that the U.S. has more people under 5 years old?

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

yes thank you, i know what evolution is in other words darwinism (the weak die [the species that were not able the evolve] and the strong survive [the species that evolved] chimpanzees use simple tools such as rocks to crack open stuff. we create complex machines from what we find to suit our needs.

Then this goes back to my original point.

Chimpanzees are capable of thought, can solve puzzles and are fairly intelligent.

How do you think they view us?

To them we can shoot rocks with what looks like a stick and kill them. We can do things that they have no possible means to understand.

What does that make us to them? A higher power?

And so why do you so vehemently deny any possibility of their being a more advanced race than us? Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

At one point we didn't understand electricity but now we make electricity from sunlight, wind power, geothermal energies, and combining and breaking apart chemicals. Did that make it impossible when we didn't understand it?
NO it was always possible, we just couldn't comprehend it, and saying that there is no chance there are beings that we don't understand is frankly ridiculous.

 

[Gin-San]

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

Please refrain yourself from posting if you cannot behave appropriately for this type of discussion, it makes you seem foolish.
Your point is invalid. Every living thing in this world learns, no matter what. Animals live and adapt according to the circumstances to secure survival, thus "survival of the fittest". So no, humans and even bacteria learn every second until they die. What makes humans different than any other animal is not learning process, but the capacity to alter the circumstances in order to survive, instead of the circumstances making us adapt. We have a greater logic, cognizant reasoning and the capacity to see way beyond our survival, making us "smarter" than any other creature.

You say if we needed something up a cliff, we created a pulley, this though, cannot be applied to every human. Some humans are smart enough to analyze the situation and come to the conclusion to create a pulley, does this means this humans are ranked in the same position as animals? I will answer that: No. Every animal will come to different conclusions in order to get that "something" out of the top of that cliff. This conclusions will come from actual learning and adaptation, and those who fail to adapt will not be able to obtain it, being human or animal.

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

Actually that 10% thing is myth. Scientists in the late 80's thought that humans were hot shit and we had the potential for unlimited learning, but the truth of it is that while we are using 10% of our brain cells at any given time, the other ~90% are being used to store our memories.

What I am saying is that while we have all these brain cells, they are all in use, whether it be for memories or actually being used to control our physical functions and mental faculties.

true, that sounds right, i was hearing about that, i pay attention to stuff like that, but thanks for correcting that. also alot of humans don't use their brains , in the way they should be used, especially when it comes to connecting the brain to the body, in trying to increase the reflex.

i would rep you , but i already repped you ​

Do you have any supporting evidence to the bolded text? I've heard it several times but it just seems strange for our minds to have developed far beyond what is needed for survival.

we are using 10% of our brain cells at any given time, the other ~90% are being used to store our memories. << namikaze


he elaborated on that more, so here you go.
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[Iruka]

ahahaha you're funny. first of all, saying how old are you is most of the time a rhetorical question. secondly, you contradicted yourself because you clearly said that it has been proven that we are not the smartest people on this planet. just because we are not able to use 100% of our brain does not mean we aren't the smartest species on this planet, what it does do is give us and idea how powerful humans can be with 100% of their brains because we can be the dominant species with only 10%. and what literally made ma lmao is what you said "you have no right saying that" as if i just offended the animals lolol. dolphins use a higher percentage of THEIR brain. lets put it this way. the U.S. has 300m people and china has 1.3b people. 10% of the U.S. population is under 5 years old (i know that 10% of the U.S. population isn't under 5 , this is just an example) and 7% of the population in china is under 5 years old. does that mean that the U.S. has more people under 5 years old?

Where did he clearly state that we were proven not to be the most intelligent being? Also this is getting slightly off topic from atheism or agnostic beliefs so try to relate back at some stage.

 

[nagato9]

Please refrain yourself from posting if you cannot behave appropriately for this type of discussion, it makes you seem foolish.
Your point is invalid. Every living thing in this world learns, no matter what. Animals live and adapt according to the circumstances to secure survival, thus "survival of the fittest". So no, humans and even bacteria learn every second until they die. What makes humans different than any other animal is not learning process, but the capacity to alter the circumstances in order to survive, instead of the circumstances making us adapt. We have a greater logic, cognizant reasoning and the capacity to see way beyond our survival, making us "smarter" than any other creature.

You say if we needed something up a cliff, we created a pulley, this though, cannot be applied to every human. Some humans are smart enough to analyze the situation and come to the conclusion to create a pulley, does this means this humans are ranked in the same position as animals? I will answer that: No. Every animal will come to different conclusions in order to get that "something" out of the top of that cliff. This conclusions will come from actual learning and adaptation, and those who fail to adapt will not be able to obtain it, being human or animal.

just stay out of this...all you did is probably click on this thread, then read my post and commented on it. the other guy has no idea what he is talking about and that aggravates so much.

 

[nagato9]

Where did he clearly state that we were proven not to be the most intelligent being? Also this is getting slightly off topic from atheism or agnostic beliefs so try to relate back at some stage.

read back and you will find it. its on another post.

 

[Selendrile]

dude you are just sooooo stupid. we are THE smartest species on this planet or else we would live with or be taken over by other species that are smarter then us. did you just pull that out of your ass? what made our species successful is our ability to LEARN which resulted in common sense. when we needed to carry something up a cliff, we created a pulley. no other animal i have seen can do that.

Animals learn as well.

We use to tie my dog up in the kitchen when he was little before he was house-trained. He eventually learned that the length of rope that held him was the only thing stopping him from leaving.

I cant tell you have many leashes we have bought, because he has chewed through them.

Point is, he recognized the fact that the rope was in the way. He chewed it, and was free. He learned, he adapted, and he progressed.