why are people underrating hashirama by saying nagato can beat him?

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Rinnegan user > Hashirama

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

I dont know why people just cant understand that nagato is stronger.. he never got defeated

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[Hattake Ryuzaki]

Pleasessss look at manga 560 and read page 14 and you will see why nagato could possibly defeat the first hokage and could also defeat madara!!! ... (What progress beyond sharingan) RINNEGAN!!! and thats what nagato has.. and lets not forget that rinnegan is the sage eyes who created ninjutsu itself so how could you possibly say that hashirama is stronger than him??? YOU GOT TO BE CRAZY!!!!

dude hes a uzamaki who was GIVEN the rinnegan if not for MADARA he would b s h i t

 

[Zato]

Did he ever defeat a rinnegan user? NO he never fight against someone as strong as nagato.. nagato is stronger than madara and he could defeat the nine tails. as he nearly did when fighting against naruto..

Has Nagato ever faced anyone as strong as Hashirama at this point? No he hasn't. How can you say Nagato is stronger then Madara when Nagato has Madara's Rinnegan? Your basically assuming he is stronger then him. How did Pain "defeat" then 9tails when the 9tails never hit the field? Explain this to me?

 

[TheSages456]

Did he ever defeat a rinnegan user? NO he never fight against someone as strong as nagato.. nagato is stronger than madara and he could defeat the nine tails. as he nearly did when fighting against naruto..

LOLOLOLOLOL nagato didnt nearly defeat kyuubi. the kyuubi was rampaging and was pulling itself out of chibaku tensei and that was in its 8 tailed form at 50% power. nagato cannot beat a full form 100% kyuubi.

 

[TheSages456]

As i said before.. nagato was not on full power as he was years ago when he drained most of his chakra when fighting against hanzo.. you people dont know anything.... you need to analize everything.. not because the first hokage defeated madara. that dont mean he could also defead nagato.. nagato far surpassed madara and he never lose... he died on his on willl.......

nagato hasnt faced anyone on madara or hashiramas level so your point is?

 

[darthvader5666]

Nagato can probably beat Hashirama by feats alone. Hell, even Itachi might be able to. By hype, however, Hashirama would beat him.

 

[Zato]

As i said before.. nagato was not on full power as he was years ago when he drained most of his chakra when fighting against hanzo.. you people dont know anything.... you need to analize everything.. not because the first hokage defeated madara. that dont mean he could also defead nagato.. nagato far surpassed madara and he never lose... he died on his on willl.......

So this is why you think he would beat Hashirama? Think about it, just think. He captured ALL of the tailed beast. He fought Madara AND the 9tails by him self and defeated him and sealed the 9tails. By that alone gives you an example how strong he is. Look at what Naruto can now do with the 9tails power and hes not even in a completed BM. Hashirama had to fight the real 9tails and defeated them both and your trying to tell me Hashirama is no match for him because Nagato never lost? Hashirama inherited the sages body. Nagato was GIVEN the sages eyes. Do you see where I am going with this?

 

[Midday]

nagato hasnt faced anyone on madara or hashiramas level so your point is?

He's fought better. Sm Naruto and 9 tails against his paths. Naruto chakra mode, Bee and Itachi(he didn't win but neither would Hashirama or ems Madara).

So this is why you think he would beat Hashirama? Think about it, just think. He captured ALL of the tailed beast. He fought Madara AND the 9tails by him self and defeated him and sealed the 9tails. By that alone gives you an example how strong he is. Look at what Naruto can now do with the 9tails power and hes not even in a completed BM. Hashirama had to fight the real 9tails and defeated them both and your trying to tell me Hashirama is no match for him because Nagato never lost? Hashirama inherited the sages body. Nagato was GIVEN the sages eyes. Do you see where I am going with this?

It doesn't matter where Nagato got his powers. Hashirma had several not all the tailed beast under his control because he's got the perfect counter for them. Again the same arguement for Hashirama is mainly hype and not enough feats. Bm Naruto > 9 tails by itself.

 

[TheSages456]

You dumbass.. nagato is stronger than madara.. i need you to look at manga 560 an read page 14... what surpasses sharingan? rinnegan!!!!!!!!!!! madara has sharingan an nagato has rinnegan.. why you think the mask guy took nagato's eyes after he were dead?? YOU GUYS NEED TO START THINKING

alright stop fanboying.

nagato>ems madara(until we see more of madaras ems)
ems madara with kyuubi>nagato
edo madara>>>nagato
hashirama>>nagato

 

[Zato]

It doesn't matter where Nagato got his powers. Hashirma had several not all the tailed beast under his control because he's got the perfect counter for them. Again the same arguement for Hashirama is mainly hype and not enough feats. Bm Naruto > 9 tails by itself.

Except his power is being shown through Madara. What can Nagato do to beat Hashirama? I haven't seen one good example at all. Chibaku Tensei will be destroyed. Preta Path cannot absorb an attacking Mokuton. Bringer of darkness would put Nagato at a big disadvantage, specially if Hashirama is using woodclones as well. Medical jutsu that allows him to tank severe damage. He can move through his Mokuton while his woodclones fight. His woodclones carry all of his abilities. His Mokuton can attack from underground and any angle. But according to you Nagato will win.

I mean don't you find it rather funny that Madara preaches on and on about his battle with Hashirama and how strong he was and not the Rinnegan that he posses now?

I need you guys to stop saying he was GIVEN eyes.. you shouldnt be listening to a lier.. he lies to people to get what he wants. but honestly.. i know that nagato is stronger.. the first hokage done a lot of stuff. but if nagato had the same state of mind as the first hokage, he wouldve shown you guys what he could really do.. his mind was never clear since his best friend died. he listened to the lier to try to bring world peace and end up leaving it to naruto to complete.. the rinnegan is very power..... the first hokage could heal him self. but what nagato could do? bring back the dead to life !! and dont forget one of nagato's body could also heal you !! dont underestimate nagato's power

Read the manga dude. Tobi while acting as Madara says he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. When Kabuto revived the real Madara what does he say? He basically implies that everything Tobi said was true. Why would Tobi tell a lie like that to Konan and he knows hes about to kill her?

 

[hanbeepwills]

very true.. exactly

 

[Midday]

Except his power is being shown through Madara. What can Nagato do to beat Hashirama? I haven't seen one good example at all. Chibaku Tensei will be destroyed. Preta Path cannot absorb an attacking Mokuton. Bringer of darkness would put Nagato at a big disadvantage, specially if Hashirama is using woodclones as well. Medical jutsu that allows him to tank severe damage. He can move through his Mokuton while his woodclones fight. His woodclones carry all of his abilities. His Mokuton can attack from underground and any angle. But according to you Nagato will win.

I mean don't you find it rather funny that Madara preaches on and on about his battle with Hashirama and how strong he was and not the Rinnegan that he posses now?

No facts at all, just saying mokuton > Nagato techniques.

Nagato has a counter for everything Hashirama can throw at him.

Hashirama is probably going to create a huge forest which shouldn't be too hard to wipe out with shinra tensei which took out konoho and the 3 massive frogs.

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Using his summons and Asura path would cause a significant distraction since Asura path can be used at any range and does quite a bit of damage, whilst his summons are actually quite powerful especially the dog which multiplies.

Ninjutsu wouldn't have an effect on Nagato due to petra path which absorbs all ninjutsu(Harishirama's wood style), not just the chakra. Here he absorbs Jiriya's chakra on top of the chakra.

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Hashirama wasn't know as a genjutsu user, his only feat is bringer of darkness iirc. The 3rd managed to navigate through it. Nagato has shown feats in sensory as well as his link with the rinnengan of other animals/paths so this shouldn't cause any major problems. Even then shouldn't rinnengan give him some resistance to visual genjutsu like the sharrigan does.

Finally tai jutsu. Nagato was capable of handling Bee and Naruto at the same time who have both been shown to show impressive feats. It would also be dangerous to get close due to human path which would lead to Hashirama getting dropped.

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Mokuton's getting out of chibaki tensei? It'a just adding more fuel to the fire, the wood's just going to join tall the rocks and crap, Hashirama needs to destroy the core to stop ct.

Is mokuton going to stop this easily?

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Not just that he's got 8/9 other boss summons to deal with. Do you expect Nagato to be doing nothing whilst Hashirama's fighting all of that off. Also Nagato's still got his own set of paths.

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[ky00b1]

agreed

 

[Zato]

No facts at all, just saying mokuton > Nagato techniques.

Nagato has a counter for everything Hashirama can throw at him.

Hashirama is probably going to create a huge forest which shouldn't be too hard to wipe out with shinra tensei which took out konoho and the 3 massive frogs.

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Using his summons and Asura path would cause a significant distraction since Asura path can be used at any range and does quite a bit of damage, whilst his summons are actually quite powerful especially the dog which multiplies.

Ninjutsu wouldn't have an effect on Nagato due to petra path which absorbs all ninjutsu(Harishirama's wood style), not just the chakra. Here he absorbs Jiriya's chakra on top of the chakra.

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Hashirama wasn't know as a genjutsu user, his only feat is bringer of darkness iirc. The 3rd managed to navigate through it. Nagato has shown feats in sensory as well as his link with the rinnengan of other animals/paths so this shouldn't cause any major problems. Even then shouldn't rinnengan give him some resistance to visual genjutsu like the sharrigan does.

Finally tai jutsu. Nagato was capable of handling Bee and Naruto at the same time who have both been shown to show impressive feats. It would also be dangerous to get close due to human path which would lead to Hashirama getting dropped.

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Mokuton's getting out of chibaki tensei? It'a just adding more fuel to the fire, the wood's just going to join tall the rocks and crap, Hashirama needs to destroy the core to stop ct.

Is mokuton going to stop this easily?

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Not just that he's got 8/9 other boss summons to deal with. Do you expect Nagato to be doing nothing whilst Hashirama's fighting all of that off. Also Nagato's still got his own set of paths.

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Shinra Tensei will do what to Hashirama? What will it do to him? Is this before or after he summons his pets? If he summons his pets and use Shinra Tensei then he will just be hurting him self. Shinra Tensei(full powered) will not destroy the forest but only push it back.

You forget he can mass produce woodclones that have all his abilities including his medical jutsu. Why do you keep pushing this summon thing is beyond me. Also you are basically saying that Preta Path can absorb solid objects. Think about that for a second. Mokuton is basically a life force. He creates living trees through earth+water and his own special chakara. He cannot absorb Mokuton. He can absorb the chakara within it but not the trees it selfs.

Hashirama's tree world is far bigger then Deva's path Chibaku Tensei. Look what 2 Mokuton roots did to Oonoki's stone golem which is as big as a tailed beast...

Bringer of darkness is said to be a genjutsu like technique, casting an illusion of pitch black darkness on the enemy. So yeah we seen how good Nagato is at genjutsu and...

Why are you using Gedo Mazo as an example. You do know that the Gedo Mazo Tobi is using is fueled by the power of the tailed beast that rest inside it? So no, Nagato can't use that. There is a reason why Gedo Mazo drained all of Nagato's chakara when he summoned it to fight.

 

[~MC117~]

Nagato can beat hashirama

 

[Midday]

Shinra Tensei will do what to Hashirama? What will it do to him? Is this before or after he summons his pets? If he summons his pets and use Shinra Tensei then he will just be hurting him self. Shinra Tensei(full powered) will not destroy the forest but only push it back.

You forget he can mass produce woodclones that have all his abilities including his medical jutsu. Why do you keep pushing this summon thing is beyond me. Also you are basically saying that Preta Path can absorb solid objects. Think about that for a second. Mokuton is basically a life force. He creates living trees through earth+water and his own special chakara. He cannot absorb Mokuton. He can absorb the chakara within it but not the trees it selfs.

Bringer of darkness is said to be a genjutsu like technique, casting an illusion of pitch black darkness on the enemy. So yeah we seen how good Nagato is at genjutsu and...

Why are you using Gedo Mazo as an example. You do know that the Gedo Mazo Tobi is using is fueled by the power of the tailed beast that rest inside it? So no, Nagato can't use that. There is a reason why Gedo Mazo drained all of Nagato's chakara when he summoned it to fight.

- Large scale shinra tensei, Nagato's previous solution was to summon everyone out of the way then do it. There's no reason he doesn't have his paths to summon everyone out. If it's just Nagato get rid of summons then do it. Or before he summons do it. He would be able to pull of his large scale shinra tensei. Also his real shinra tensei is this. If you think that wont do any damage to Hashirama i'm giving up on you.

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-Petra path absorbs any ninjutsu. This is from the data books. Any form any amount.

e Preta Path (餓鬼道, Gakidō) grants the user the ability to absorb an infinite amount of chakra in any form using the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal.

- Gedo Mazo was Nagato's. Tobi only took over after he took his rinnengan. Nagato no longer needs to get drained of chakra to use it since it powered by bijuu chakra.

- Bringer of darkness is a short range A-rank genjutsu which hiruzen dealt with. Neither Nagato or Hashirama are short range genjutsu users. Nagato is also a sensor type which can be used to counter the genjutsu which only takes away your vision.

 

[Zato]

- Large scale shinra tensei, Nagato's previous solution was to summon everyone out of the way then do it. There's no reason he doesn't have his paths. If it's just Nagato get rid of summons then do it.

-Petra path absorbs any ninjutsu. This is from the data books. Any form any amount.



- Gedo Mazo was Nagato's. Tobi only took over after he took his rinnengan. Nagato no longer needs to get drained of chakra to use it since it powered by bijuu chakra.

- Bringer of darkness is a short range A-rank genjutsu which hiruzen dealt with. Neither Nagato or Hashirama are short range genjutsu users. Nagato is also a sensor type which can be used to counter the genjutsu which only takes away your vision.

I will say this again. What would be the purpose of Nagato using Shinra Tensei other then to push the forest back? It won't hurt Hashirama at all. If he wants to he can hide within the roots of his Mokuton that's underground.

You keep saying it will absorb his Mokuton BUT IT CAN'T. He is creating a life force... Like I said, he will be able to absorb the chakara within the trees but not the trees it self. Keyword is "life force". Read what your quote says on Preta Path...

We don't know where the Gedo Mazo came from. So you saying it is Nagato's is not true. Madara obviously knew of Gedo Mazo before Nagato because the Gedo Mazo is obviously apart of Madara's Moon Eye plans. The Gedo Mazo was said by the 4tails to be the demonic statue of the outer path. The version of the Gedo Mazo Tobi is using in the Manga right now and in that screen you posted it the version where its using the tailed beast chakara. Meaning that version of the Gedo Mazo is on steroids basically compared to the version Nagato used that dragon technique. There is a reason why the Gedo Mazo drained Nagato's Chakara and its because it needs chakara to fight. Shikimaru came to that conclusion on why Tobi stole the Kin/Gin brothers that held the 9tails chakara because he knew that Tobi was going to seal that chakara into the Gedo Mazo to make it stronger.

Hashirama used Bringer of darkness in the manga on Hiruzen. So you saying he is not a genjutsu user is false. The only thing this ability will do is cause Nagato to see nothing but darkness. He will still have his natural ability to sense chakara as he did with Itachi and knowing what ability he was about to use. My point here is that this ability will make it harder for him to fight Hashirama and if Hashirama is using his woodclones it makes it that much worse.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

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Nagato has the body and the eyes thats why he was called the sage of 6 paths reborn

 

[uchihaa118]

based on hype alone hashirama is far stronger than nagato, plus he defeated madara the leader of the uchiha clan so i belive hashirama is the strongest shinobi and much stronger than nagato