why are people underrating hashirama by saying nagato can beat him?

[TheSages456]

Nagato should be able to use his paths to back him up, I don't see why not since he can just summon them with animal path.

Petra path absorbs any ninjutsu backed up by the databooks. Mokuton is ninjutsu therefore it can be absorbed.

His mokuton would have a hard time restraining 9 boss summons. 1 he can't see and another splits everytime it's hit. Hashirama is also going to have a hard time restricting gedo maze which choji butterfly mode and his dad got easily overpowered, it also block the commanders earth sandwich technique with little difficulty.

Btw where did it say mokuton clones are more durable? I believe you but I just want to know.

Nagato can also heal from any attack with Nakara path. All I know is Hashirama's healing technique drains a lot of chakra, it's the same one as Tsunades?

I'm not sure about the chibaki tensei solution. The forest would just be absorbed into it, he would need to destroy the core since it's a gravity technique.

Chibaki tensei is this big

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Whilst the biggest mokuton forest we've seen looks smaller to me.

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here madara says this type of ninjutsu doesnt work against the rinnegan. saying preta can absorb mokuton is like saying it could absorb onokis rock fist:

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here we see the size of madaras meteor. im not sure how to compare it to the size of chibaku tensei since techniques are shown at different angles but the meteor is huge:

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here we see that the forest easily dwarfs the meteor in size:

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hashirama can make 20 mokuton clones to fight off summons and have 5 to gaurd his back. if hashiramas mokuton can restrain bijuus then he should be able to restrain some summons. he would instantly make a forest to give himself the environmental advantage. madaras mokuton clone took a kick from tsunade and i think yamatos clone took some damage as well. i would find the manga page but i dont feel like it. mokuton>>>>>>>>an earth wall. mokuton will suppress the bijuu chakra inside gedo mazo.

 

[Prince Charles]

If you'd read my post properly you'd realise that I just quoted the OP, and he is right
I said that for now Nagato > Hashirama because we don't know if Hashirama has abilities that can counter Rinnegan abilities, but simply the Senju Clan itself stands for "The Clan with a Thousand Skills/Hands" and Hashirama had 3-4 scrolls filled with Kinjutsu that he later on had to seal, this can imply that Hashirama, obviously, could do way more then just those 4 attacks you said.

Finally a reasonable person .

here madara says this type of ninjutsu doesnt work against the rinnegan. saying preta can absorb mokuton is like saying it could absorb onokis rock fist:

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here we see the size of madaras meteor. im not sure how to compare it to the size of chibaku tensei since techniwues are shown at different angle but the meteor is huge:

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here we see that the forest easily dwarfs the meteor in size:

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hashirama can make 20 mokuton clones to fight off summons and have 5 to gaurd his back. if hashiramas mokuton can restrain bijuus then he should be able to restrain some summons. he would instantly make a forest to give himself the environmental advantage. madaras mokuton clone took a kick from tsunade and i think yamatos clone took some damage as well. i would find the manga page but i dont feel like it. mokuton>>>>>>>>an earth wall. mokuton will suppress the bijuu chakra inside.

thanks for agreeing and the back up guys.

 

[Drakengard]

IMO once he figures out about shared vision (possible with wood clones and what not), he'll be able to take him by surprise similar to how Madara caught Tsunade by surprise (LAC type of attack). The real question everybody is wondering is Hashirama's effectiveness against Nagato's "nukes", such as GM, CST and CT

 

[minatoisagod]

well i agree but a full health nagato will give hashirama a run for his money that medical ninjutsu will be working over time, but yea the 1st wins

 

[Thatoneguy]

hashi was a powerhouse just look what a few of his cells can do.

This....


Also, yea everyone over estimates Nagato. Yes, he is an extremely powerful character, but so was the 1st.

 

[Zato]

Preta Path can't absorb Mokuton if its being used to attack. Mokuton is a solid object and not a mass of energy like a RS or something of that nature. If Nagato uses Preta Path to try and absorb Mokuton while its attacking at him he will be killed. Its pretty much the same with SM naruto vs the Preta Path pain. Naruto is full of chakara but Naruto is flesh and bone and when Naruto punched the Preta Path he practically killed him. Bee's tailed cloaks is different, Nagato was able to absorb that because the chakara was outside Bee rather then inside which allowed Nagato to absorb the damage/chakara.

 

[lazybee]

Hashirama Is Really a monster. Tailed beasts are like his pets. He could heal himself without any hand seals.Can create an entire forest in seconds. Beat Madara and Kyuubi all by himself when madara was at his prime(i guess).

And very cool. And he can easily rape nagato even if his hands are tied.

 

[madali]

it was said that Hiruzen is stronger than the first and the Second and that the 4th was stronger than them all. I think people are over rating the first and under rating nagato. it was said in the manga that there arent many shinboi that are on the hashi level anymore. That does not mean there are none. I would put Nagato ,BM Naruto and tobi right up there. You forget for all the supposed power hashi has he died at a young age in war. He cannot be as powerful as people are assuming.

 

[Zato]

it was said that Hiruzen is stronger than the first and the Second and that the 4th was stronger than them all. I think people are over rating the first and under rating nagato. it was said in the manga that there arent many shinboi that are on the hashi level anymore. That does not mean there are none. I would put Nagato ,BM Naruto and tobi right up there. You forget for all the supposed power hashi has he died at a young age in war. He cannot be as powerful as people are assuming.

Well according to Dan, he claims that only Hashirama could defeat Madara. Kabuto explained that Hashirama's abilities were said to be a fairytale like the SO6P. So the people in Konoha never believed that he was really as strong as the past said he was. So of course they would claim Hiruzen to be stronger if Hashirama's abilities seemed to be a myth. They are just going by what they see.

 

[NOemotions]

Pointless thread..you can argue to the end of the world but still you will never find out who would really win haha xd just saying.. myself i don't care who wins and i wont pick any. so draw untill we gets some proof..and that is.. never.

 

[Demonic Heart]

Lets not forget that the nagato we really know, was not in good condition.. because after the fight with hanzo he let his anger get the best of him.. nagato is really powerful overall.. he was thin and dry out of chakra when he fight against naruto.. lets pleaseee not forget that... and he never really got defeated !!

 

[PureSkillz]

You think that is all Hashirama can do? If you think so then go see a doctor, Senju the clan name itself stands for "The Clan with a Thousand Skills/hands"
and Hashirama's scrolls are filled with Kinjutsus that he later on had to seal because he was afraid that it might get in the wrong hands.

It's sad how people still ignore the OP, the OP clearly said: all im saying is people shouldn't be saying nagato>>hashirama if we havent even seen hashirama's whole arsonal and havent seen him in battle.
That is exactly the same thing I always say to guys who are arguing between characters that we haven't even seen fighting for god's sake.

Now I am not saying that Hashirama > Nagato, not yet though, what is there to compare from a guy we've seen at his full strength and a guy we haven't even seen clearly fighting full on using all of his techniques.

That's hype.

Kakashi's supposed to have a thousand techs as well.
And Hiruzen is supposed to know every jutsu in the leaf..

Feats > Hype

And going by feats, Nagato > Hashi U_U

 

[Zato]

That's hype.

Kakashi's supposed to have a thousand techs as well.
And Hiruzen is supposed to know every jutsu in the leaf..

Feats > Hype

And going by feats, Nagato > Hashi U_U

I wouldn't call it hype. Naruto stole one of those scrolls remember?

 

[Demonic Heart]

Pleasessss look at manga 560 and read page 14 and you will see why nagato could possibly defeat the first hokage and could also defeat madara!!! ... (What progress beyond sharingan) RINNEGAN!!! and thats what nagato has.. and lets not forget that rinnegan is the sage eyes who created ninjutsu itself so how could you possibly say that hashirama is stronger than him??? YOU GOT TO BE CRAZY!!!!

 

[Virus..]

well op but not that op

 

[Zato]

Pleasessss look at manga 560 and read page 14 and you will see why nagato could possibly defeat the first hokage and could also defeat madara!!! ... (What progress beyond sharingan) RINNEGAN!!! and thats what nagato has.. and lets not forget that rinnegan is the sage eyes who created ninjutsu itself so how could you possibly say that hashirama is stronger than him??? YOU GOT TO BE CRAZY!!!!

You do realize that Hashirama carries the power of the sages body don't you? The sages eyes are just one half of the SO6P power. The other half is the sages body. Why do you think Hashirama is so strong to begin with?

 

[Demonic Heart]

I dont know why people just cant understand that nagato is stronger.. he never got defeated

 

[Demonic Heart]

You do realize that Hashirama carries the power of the sages body don't you? The sages eyes are just one half of the SO6P power. The other half is the sages body. Why do you think Hashirama is so strong to begin with?

your eyes are more powerful than the body when it comes to ninjustu.. your body power could only hurt you if you are really close.. the eyes have the advantage because you could see someone from a distance.. so i dont know what you're trying to prove here

 

[Zato]

your eyes are more powerful than the body when it comes to ninjustu.. your body power could only hurt you if you are really close.. the eyes have the advantage because you could see someone from a distance.. so i dont know what you're trying to prove here :shrug:

What are you talking about? You need to reread the manga dude. The SO6P eyes are ONE HALF of the SO6P power. The other HALF is the SO6P body in which Hashirama inherited. This is why his chakara is so special. If what you said is true then why did Hashirama defeat not only Madara but the 9tails at the same time? What you said makes no sense at all.

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

yah i agree with you people severely underestimate Hashi