Why are people saying that naruto has better reflexes than sasuke?

[riley freeman]

Since naruto can sense, his reflexes are better

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naruto>sasuke

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Pretty sure Naruto dodged Madara's limbo in base mode.

As the manga dictates, his reflexes are better.

The major point of this thread was to proof that the kaguya's technique that was dodged by naruto was not because of his reflexes.Also the manga never dictated that naruto reflexes are better than sasukes

 

[Remedy]

The major point of this thread was to proof that the kaguya's technique that was dodged by naruto was not because of his reflexes.Also the manga never dictated that naruto reflexes are better than sasukes

My point is Naruto has been proven to have class A reflexes outside of Sage Mode. Your conclusion is delusive.

 

[warlee]

whats reflex??? that will solve this thread.

 

[warlee]

reflex

noun (plural reflexes)
- An automatic response to a simple stimulus which does not require mental processing.
- (linguistics) the descendant of an earlier language element, such as a word or phoneme, in a daughter language
- (obsolete) Reflection; the light reflected from an illuminated surface to one in shade.

adjective
- Bent, turned back or reflected.
- Produced automatically by a stimulus.
- (geometry) Having greater than 180 degrees but less than 360 degrees.
- (photography) Of a camera or camera mechanism, using a mirror to reflect the image onto a ground-glass viewfinder, allowing the photographer to see it up to the moment of exposure.
synonyms
- (of an angle) re-entrant

verb (reflexes, reflexing; past and past participle reflexed)
- to bend, turn back or reflect
- to respond to a stimulus

 

[cafe123]

Naruto entered the war with incomplete training with KM. Naruto never trained in BM or BSM so how do you expect him to have full control over his speed? Madara said A's lightning armor and Mei's lava were "impressive offense"

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. Tobirama and Minato are edo tensei, their over all stats are weaker than when they are alive, Madara showed more speed when he was revived than when he was edo here

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Madara told Tobirama that he was the fastest ninja in their time but he can't access his "true strength" here

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. Tobirama said Minato was faster than him here

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. So Madara said alive Tobirama was the fastest and Tobirama said Minato is faster since if he's faster as a edo then he will be faster alive.

BSM Naruto was going regular speed, the last time Naruto used his full speed was when he saved Kakashi from Obito in BM here

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. He never used his full speed in BSM. For 8 gate gai, he was going full speed yet Lee was able to throw Minato's Kunia ahead of Gai, have Minato FTG to get the orbs and FTG out before Gai reached where the Kunai was and Minato already told Gai to keep going no matter what so even 8 gates doesn't compare to FTG speed

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Minato tried to use FTG on Madara and got owned, he easily dealt with the 7th Gate Gai, and even kept up with 8th gate for some time, that tells you what we need to know about Juubi-jin Madara's speed, he's FAR faster than A, KM Naruto, Minato and a lot of others, physically.

The fact that Sasuke could react to his (actually stronger version of him) speed and actually out-sped just shows you that he's gotten a lot faster, he obviously doesn't posses the same level of speed (reactions and footspeed, not just teleportation) than he did when he only possessed the Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[solo king]

I call bs on all this

Naruto reacted because she kept spamming her teleport. It's not reflex if he knew how she'd attack.

Proof of my statement is that he was unable to react the first tike she grabbed him,or when she grabbed sasuke.

He knew her style of attack and reacted accordingly.

 

[King Of Pop]

Doesn't matter, Sasuke never shown reflexes on that level which makes Naruto have better reaction and speed. Sasuke's speed never increased since he never trained or receive power ups that increase his body abilities which Naruto did for both. Sasuke only got s/t which will account for speed but it was never compared to Minato's speed which all fastest speed have done such as Naruto's KM/BM speed, Obito's Kamui, A's speed, and Tobirama's FTG.

you are talking bollocks, Ems and current sasukes speed and reactions>>>> ms sasuke. Ems sasuke was shown to keep pace with kcm naruto when they ran towards sakura. his movements was also swift enough to push madara back a bit.

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madara even compliments him on his movement and this is the same madara whose speed was enough to leave sm naruto on his ass. sasukes reactions was also good enough to tag juubito same time as naruto. he was able to keep up with juubito during that mid air scuffle.

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current sasukes speed was fast enough to reach juubi madara with the latter telling him he is fast. he was also shown to react to madara coming at him and then put a sword in his chest.

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not being compared to minato doesnt mean jack.

using scans of ms sasuke which is sasuke of about 200 chapters ago now and saying his reactions and speed didnt improve since then is a bit foolish dont you think?.

OT. not too sure but he has sage mode makes him anticipate things better even from behind

 

[cafe123]

you are talking bollocks, Ems and current sasukes speed and reactions>>>> ms sasuke. Ems sasuke was shown to keep pace with kcm naruto when they ran towards sakura. his movements was also swift enough to push madara back a bit.

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madara even compliments him on his movement and this is the same madara whose speed was enough to leave sm naruto on his ass. sasukes reactions was also good enough to tag juubito same time as naruto. he was able to keep up during that mid air scuffle.

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current sasukes speed was fast enough to reach juubi madara with the latter telling him he is fast. he was also shown to react to madara coming at him and then put a sword in his chest.

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not being compared to minato doesnt mean jack.

using scans of ms sasuke which is sasuke of about 200 chapters ago now and saying his reactions and speed didnt improve since then is a bit foolish dont you think?.

OT. not too sure but he has sage mode makes him anticipate things better even from behind

Apparently Naruto was only using his "regular" speed though.

 

[King Of Pop]

Apparently Naruto was only using his "regular" speed though.

considering its sakura, am pretty sure he will want to save her pretty quickly. am talking of when they ran towards her.if you are referring to the 2nd instance i meant his reactions were good enough to be able to follow obito and tag him. he wasnt overwhelmed unlike when he faced ay

 

[V h o]

Lol naruto represents the body while sasuke represents the eyes. Of course Naruto has better reflexes than sasuke.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Minato tried to use FTG on Madara and got owned, he easily dealt with the 7th Gate Gai, and even kept up with 8th gate for some time, that tells you what we need to know about Juubi-jin Madara's speed, he's FAR faster than A, KM Naruto, Minato and a lot of others, physically.

The fact that Sasuke could react to his (actually stronger version of him) speed and actually out-sped just shows you that he's gotten a lot faster, he obviously doesn't posses the same level of speed (reactions and footspeed, not just teleportation) than he did when he only possessed the Mangekyou Sharingan.

As I already stated, Minato was an edo tensei and Edo's are weaker than when they are alive so Alive Minato speed>Edo Minato. Madara wasn't trying or everyone would be dead, where was Madara's fire jutsu? Madara's wood jutsus? only having 1 eye limited his vision to half and he couldn't use his full power without both eyes as he and Obito both said. Why didn't Madara use his shadow on Gai? to stop him as he did Sasuke before he became the Juubi Jin? Why didn't Madara use Susanoo? he did it with no eyes but he can't with 1 eye? Clearly Madara has been downplayed. Jin Madara isn't faster than Minato, KM/BM Naruto or Tobirama's true speed, Madara himself called Tobirama the fastest of their time and how he couldn't access his true power as a edo tensei.

As you can see, Minato's Kunai was at Madara's feet and Madara knows how to fight a FTG user as he shown against Tobirama plus Minato isn't at full power. If Madara is not going as fast as he was shown to after he was revived then that only shows that Madara slowed down his speed in order to take the eye from Kakashi without damaging it and he was stopping after taking the eye. Sasuke was shown activating his s/t jutsu which he can use to move closer to Madara then dash to catch up. Madara actually showed to see Sasuke before Sasuke actually cut him so what stopped Madara from Kamui Sasuke's head or arm with the moon tattoo?

you are talking bollocks, Ems and current sasukes speed and reactions>>>> ms sasuke. Ems sasuke was shown to keep pace with kcm naruto when they ran towards sakura. his movements was also swift enough to push madara back a bit.

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madara even compliments him on his movement and this is the same madara whose speed was enough to leave sm naruto on his ass. sasukes reactions was also good enough to tag juubito same time as naruto. he was able to keep up with juubito during that mid air scuffle.

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current sasukes speed was fast enough to reach juubi madara with the latter telling him he is fast. he was also shown to react to madara coming at him and then put a sword in his chest.

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not being compared to minato doesnt mean jack.

using scans of ms sasuke which is sasuke of about 200 chapters ago now and saying his reactions and speed didnt improve since then is a bit foolish dont you think?.

OT. not too sure but he has sage mode makes him anticipate things better even from behind

First off, you seem to not know that SM Minato was an edo tensei which means he's not at his full power as he would be alive. They were brought back with almost full power which can mean anything around 60%-90% power. Madara himself showed greater speed after being revived than when he was edo tensei. Minato's kunai landed at Madara's feat and since he already have experience fighting a FTG user, Tobirama, he knew how to react. He was new to Sasuke's s/t jutsus but was figuring it out as he went along.

Sasuke and Naruto didn't hit Juubito when he was flying, he was moving around their hits when they both were trying. Madara was saying that Sasuke couldn't use his s/t jutsus on him from the range he was at but that Sasuke was still fast, Madara was slowing down his speed to get Kakashi's eye and actually stopped shortly after that. Madara showed more speed when he was revived since you couldn't even see him, Kakashi actually turned and looked at Madara with his sharingan eye.

I didn't say Sasuke's reaction didn't improve, I said his speed didn't. Sasuke's eyes improved which allows him to better predict the movement of his opponents but his speed did not improve. He didn't train to improve his stats since before absorbing Oro and none of his powerups were body enhancements like Naruto's were.

Minato is held as the fastest ninja so yes it does mean jack. A, Obito, Bee, Tsunade, Kakashi, Tobirama and Hiruzen all hail Minato as the fastest ninja and compared others to Minato by saying they person is slower or on par.

 

[King Of Pop]

As I already stated, Minato was an edo tensei and Edo's are weaker than when they are alive so Alive Minato speed>Edo Minato. Madara wasn't trying or everyone would be dead, where was Madara's fire jutsu? Madara's wood jutsus? only having 1 eye limited his vision to half and he couldn't use his full power without both eyes as he and Obito both said. Why didn't Madara use his shadow on Gai? to stop him as he did Sasuke before he became the Juubi Jin? Why didn't Madara use Susanoo? he did it with no eyes but he can't with 1 eye? Clearly Madara has been downplayed. Jin Madara isn't faster than Minato, KM/BM Naruto or Tobirama's true speed, Madara himself called Tobirama the fastest of their time and how he couldn't access his true power as a edo tensei.

As you can see, Minato's Kunai was at Madara's feet and Madara knows how to fight a FTG user as he shown against Tobirama plus Minato isn't at full power. If Madara is not going as fast as he was shown to after he was revived then that only shows that Madara slowed down his speed in order to take the eye from Kakashi without damaging it and he was stopping after taking the eye. Sasuke was shown activating his s/t jutsu which he can use to move closer to Madara then dash to catch up. Madara actually showed to see Sasuke before Sasuke actually cut him so what stopped Madara from Kamui Sasuke's head or arm with the moon tattoo?



First off, you seem to not know that SM Minato was an edo tensei which means he's not at his full power as he would be alive. They were brought back with almost full power which can mean anything around 60%-90% power. Madara himself showed greater speed after being revived than when he was edo tensei. Minato's kunai landed at Madara's feat and since he already have experience fighting a FTG user, Tobirama, he knew how to react. He was new to Sasuke's s/t jutsus but was figuring it out as he went along.

Sasuke and Naruto didn't hit Juubito when he was flying, he was moving around their hits when they both were trying. Madara was saying that Sasuke couldn't use his s/t jutsus on him from the range he was at but that Sasuke was still fast, Madara was slowing down his speed to get Kakashi's eye and actually stopped shortly after that. Madara showed more speed when he was revived since you couldn't even see him, Kakashi actually turned and looked at Madara with his sharingan eye.

I didn't say Sasuke's reaction didn't improve, I said his speed didn't. Sasuke's eyes improved which allows him to better predict the movement of his opponents but his speed did not improve. He didn't train to improve his stats since before absorbing Oro and none of his powerups were body enhancements like Naruto's were.

Minato is held as the fastest ninja so yes it does mean jack. A, Obito, Bee, Tsunade, Kakashi, Tobirama and Hiruzen all hail Minato as the fastest ninja and compared others to Minato by saying they person is slower or on par.

urrm i dont think i ever mentioned anything about sm minato in my first part so i dunno what you are talking. i was referring to sm naruto who was pushed away by madara. am talking about pre jin juubi jin madara here. look at the scans.

they actually tagged him but he easily used his shield to block both their attacks

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no you are wrong. madara didnt slow down his speed nor did he stop to get kakashis eye

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as you can see, he grabs the eye while on the move but turns around only to find sasuke closing him in on him and then tells him he is quite fast which shows sasukes speed has indeed been improved on.

no his speed has clearly improved. he was able to get to juubi madara before the latter could kamui away and considering madara had a headstart from him its pretty impresive. madara tells him he is quite fast which is huge considering madara has easily reacted to people like minato and tobirama and wasnt bothered by their movements. whether or not his eye anticipates stuff better is abit irrelevant considering he still to be fast enough to strike the opponent. he doesnt need to have trained, he has hagoromos chakra so he obv used that to boost his speed. ninjas utilize chakra for shunshin, its why kcm naruto got a speed boost because he is utilizing the kyuubis chakra and applying it to his movements. sasuke now has a lot of chakra from the sage so he can utilize it in his movement which was evident when his speed was complimented by a juubi jin.

minatos speed is not on the level near a juubi jin as madara didnt have any problem with him. he countered his attempted attack and easily dismissed him. his speed is good enough for those people you mentioned but madara is on a whole different level than them and that madara complimented sasukes speed. sorry but speed being complimented by a juubi jin>>>speed being compared with minato

 

[lucario14]

I didn't say Sasuke's reaction didn't improve, I said his speed didn't. Sasuke's eyes improved which allows him to better predict the movement of his opponents but his speed did not improve. He didn't train to improve his stats since before absorbing Oro and none of his powerups were body enhancements like Naruto's were.

Minato is held as the fastest ninja so yes it does mean jack. A, Obito, Bee, Tsunade, Kakashi, Tobirama and Hiruzen all hail Minato as the fastest ninja and compared others to Minato by saying they person is slower or on par.

Lel sasuke gets 50% of sosp powers and he doesn't become faster what logic is that. Also sasuke chased down madara who's head start was so large, it was outside of sasuke's s/t tech range.

 

[Dantee]

Lel sasuke gets 50% of sosp powers and he doesn't become faster what logic is that. Also sasuke chased down madara who's head start was so large, it was outside of sasuke's s/t tech range.

Haha kind of no point in arguing.

 

[xxSAGExx]

urrm i dont think i ever mentioned anything about sm minato in my first part so i dunno what you are talking. i was referring to sm naruto who was pushed away by madara. am talking about pre jin juubi jin madara here. look at the scans.

they actually tagged him but he easily used his shield to block both their attacks

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no you are wrong. madara didnt slow down his speed nor did he stop to get kakashis eye

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as you can see, he grabs the eye while on the move but turns around only to find sasuke closing him in on him and then tells him he is quite fast which shows sasukes speed has indeed been improved on.

no his speed has clearly improved. he was able to get to juubi madara before the latter could kamui away and considering madara had a headstart from him its pretty impresive. madara tells him he is quite fast which is huge considering madara has easily reacted to people like minato and tobirama and wasnt bothered by their movements. whether or not his eye anticipates stuff better is abit irrelevant considering he still to be fast enough to strike the opponent. he doesnt need to have trained, he has hagoromos chakra so he obv used that to boost his speed. ninjas utilize chakra for shunshin, its why kcm naruto got a speed boost because he is utilizing the kyuubis chakra and applying it to his movements. sasuke now has a lot of chakra from the sage so he can utilize it in his movement which was evident when his speed was complimented by a juubi jin.

minatos speed is not on the level near a juubi jin as madara didnt have any problem with him. he countered his attempted attack and easily dismissed him. his speed is good enough for those people you mentioned but madara is on a whole different level than them and that madara complimented sasukes speed. sorry but speed being complimented by a juubi jin>>>speed being compared with minato

Oh that part, I was looking at the page before that where Obito bypassed their attacks. But again, Minato and Tobirama out sped Obito with FTG themselves. Minato FTG Naruto and Sasuke away before Obito could kill them, FTG duoed with Tobirama. Tobirama FTG Obito's orb bomb back at him before it exploded. And again, Edo tenseis are not at full power, their over all stats are lower than when they are alive so saying Madara was able to counter them isn't saying they're slower than him especially when Madara said he is use to fighting FTG users. A even said he can attack Minato upon knowing where he would FTG to even though A is slower. Madara knew Tobirama's mark was on the Kunia and would use it

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. Madara said Tobirama was once hailed as the fastest but that he couldn't bring out his true power (Edo's are weaker than when they are alive, manga fact).

Minato's kunai was at Madara's feet, knowing that Minato would attack wouldn't be hard for someone experienced for him. Madara said Sasuke couldn't use his s/t jutsu on him since he was out of range, but Sasuke can still move himself from point A to pint B in his range so he can move himself closer to Madara. Madara wasn't going at full speed since his full speed would be like how he blitz Naruto and Sai who were looking at Madara while it shows Kakashi turn and look at Madara with his Sharingan eye. Itachi how has better speed than Sasuke also had to pin Sasuke down to take out his eye, genjutsu or not, they would not want to damage the eye so Madara isn't going to be going full speed as he try to get the eye, the force that will come from his speed would take off Kakashi's head if that was the case. Kakashi head turns as Madara takes the eye, had Madara be going at full speed, Kakashi would have a broken neck or it would be ripped off his head since he was stationary with not warning to prepare himself

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As you can see here, Madara is stationary while Sasuke is moving

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. You see Madara turning to Sasuke so yes he had time to react but he chose not too. Like Kakashi and Obito could see through each other's eyes, Madara most likely was looking through the one Obito had since he didn't defend himself from Sasuke but warped and as he warped he automatically threw his blade at Sakura

Lel sasuke gets 50% of sosp powers and he doesn't become faster what logic is that. Also sasuke chased down madara who's head start was so large, it was outside of sasuke's s/t tech range.

Sasuke's power up revolves around his "eyes" Naruto's revolve his "body" they are both half of the Sage why Madara is both.

 

[cafe123]

Oh that part, I was looking at the page before that where Obito bypassed their attacks. But again, Minato and Tobirama out sped Obito with FTG themselves. Minato FTG Naruto and Sasuke away before Obito could kill them, FTG duoed with Tobirama. Tobirama FTG Obito's orb bomb back at him before it exploded. And again, Edo tenseis are not at full power, their over all stats are lower than when they are alive so saying Madara was able to counter them isn't saying they're slower than him especially when Madara said he is use to fighting FTG users. A even said he can attack Minato upon knowing where he would FTG to even though A is slower. Madara knew Tobirama's mark was on the Kunia and would use it

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. Madara said Tobirama was once hailed as the fastest but that he couldn't bring out his true power (Edo's are weaker than when they are alive, manga fact).

Minato's kunai was at Madara's feet, knowing that Minato would attack wouldn't be hard for someone experienced for him. Madara said Sasuke couldn't use his s/t jutsu on him since he was out of range, but Sasuke can still move himself from point A to pint B in his range so he can move himself closer to Madara. Madara wasn't going at full speed since his full speed would be like how he blitz Naruto and Sai who were looking at Madara while it shows Kakashi turn and look at Madara with his Sharingan eye. Itachi how has better speed than Sasuke also had to pin Sasuke down to take out his eye, genjutsu or not, they would not want to damage the eye so Madara isn't going to be going full speed as he try to get the eye, the force that will come from his speed would take off Kakashi's head if that was the case. Kakashi head turns as Madara takes the eye, had Madara be going at full speed, Kakashi would have a broken neck or it would be ripped off his head since he was stationary with not warning to prepare himself

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As you can see here, Madara is stationary while Sasuke is moving

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. You see Madara turning to Sasuke so yes he had time to react but he chose not too. Like Kakashi and Obito could see through each other's eyes, Madara most likely was looking through the one Obito had since he didn't defend himself from Sasuke but warped and as he warped he automatically threw his blade at Sakura

Edo tensei's are not at full power but they are very close to it, Tobirama once said that Orochimaru revived them "at almost their full power".

 

[frozen5]

So many dam wall of texts cant even have have a good read and not get bored half way throguh -_-

 

[xxSAGExx]

Edo tensei's are not at full power but they are very close to it, Tobirama once said that Orochimaru revived them "at almost their full power".

Almost can mean anything between 50%-90% power so that doesn't help. 50% for example is almost full and almost empty.

 

[lucario14]

Sasuke's power up revolves around his "eyes" Naruto's revolve his "body" they are both half of the Sage why Madara is both.

Doesn't really explain why sasuke acquired yin release and senjutsu. It does explain rinnegan though. It's kind of like how sasuke's speed increased when he awakened ems.

Almost can mean anything between 50%-90% power so that doesn't help. 50% for example is almost full and almost empty.

Almost means almost dude. Like >90%. @bold first time I've heard that in my life.

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke has the rinnegan as well as the sharingan which makes you see things in slow motion which> naruto sensing.

When did the sharingan allow you to see things in slow motion? SM Kabuto had better reflexes than at least MS kakashi, SM Naruto had better reflexes than MS Sasuke and BSM NAruto had reflexes on par with EMS Sasuke.

The only reason why sasuke couldnt dogde kaguya was because he doesnt have eyes at the back of his head which is sometyhing that naruto kinda have with sagemode since he see's everywhere. So my opinion is that in sensing( around you), naruto > sasuke while in reflexes, sasuke>naruto. The defination of reflexes is reacting involuntarily fast to a stimulus, Naruto had sage mode + he knew the attack was coming so he dodged it(voluntarily) and that was the only reason why because if it was pure reflexes, he wouldnt have been touch by kaguya in the beginning.

Naruto's reflexes are equal to Sasuke if both are looking at the thing being reacted to. If both are not looking at the thing, naruto's reflexes are far greater. Sasuke's sharinnegan however is more perceptive than naruto's sensing, in that his sharinnegan provides him with more information that naruto's sensing does.