Who's stronger, the Second Tsuchikage (Muu) or Itachi?

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

There was no evidence of Mu attacking while actively invisible.Aside from attacking through physical raid,which he hasn't done either,his invisibility technique has only been used to spy and prepare an ambush which reveals his appearance
automatically.Itachi

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have problem in confronting a Jinton, even if it was an ambush.​

 

[Lt Iceman]

I understand, but Is it really a flaw though? If you think about it he has to become visible, yes, but even if he didn't have to the attack itself is more than obvious. Maybe the camouflage is really a means of getting out of the line of sight in order to use the Dust Release.

It is a flaw as it is the catch onto which Itachi can capitalize on

I can understand your points,and i kinda get the message but still the fact remains that he needs to get visible to make an attack,so whether or whether not he's not in the field of vision of Itachi still he needs to get visible and that's where the counter strategy happens

Moreover now that you made me remember something in the scenario in which Muu manages to get to Itachi's blind spot,the latter won't be outmaneuvered for the simple fact that Naruto managed to accomplish such task in their encounter in the Gaara's ark,and in that scenario Itachi simply dismissed 2 of naruto's clone with a simple kunai/shuriken trick

 

[NOemotions]

Oh my gosh.. itachi fans attacked once again.. "yes.. muu was chosed to be tsuchikage and he can't beat sick ms sharingan user" i really disagree with most of you.. i dont say this because i hate itachi. i don't hate him, but you fans are making him a "god like character" which is bullshit. muu's abilities are way too strong to itachi to handle.. he can keep fighting with muu a moment.. when susanoo is used muu can just vanish and itachi's ultimate weakness hes lack of chakra will stop him then muu just kick's some ass.

 

[+Kyon+]

Muu wins.

 

[Lt Iceman]

Muu wins.

Enlighten me

 

[FloriGlori]

Itachi, obviously. Both are extremely powerful, yet Itachi would clearly beat him in an one on one match.

 

[Yo pappy]

It is a flaw as it is the catch onto which Itachi can capitalize on

I can understand your points,and i kinda get the message but still the fact remains that he needs to get visible to make an attack,so whether or whether not he's not in the field of vision of Itachi still he needs to get visible and that's where the counter strategy happens

Moreover now that you made me remember something in the scenario in which Muu manages to get to Itachi's blind spot,the latter won't be outmaneuvered for the simple fact that Naruto managed to accomplish such task in their encounter in the Gaara's ark,and in that scenario Itachi simply dismissed 2 of naruto's clone with a simple kunai/shuriken trick

What I mean is that Itachi can catch on to it whether Mu becomes visible or not because as soon as it's released it becomes larger and much more obvious.

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The attack itself will give his position away more than him becoming visible. But it doesn't matter anyway, I don't see a counter strategy happening, I think Itachi will get caught. There's no room for mistakes and If Itachi uses Susanoo he will more than likely die due to his lack of mobility. I'm not sure what you're referring to in your second statement, but there's no way in hell Itachi is killing Mu with a couple Kunai.

 

[Lt Iceman]

What I mean is that Itachi can catch on to it whether Mu becomes visible or not because as soon as it's released it becomes larger and much more obvious.

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The attack itself will give his position away more than him becoming visible. But it doesn't matter anyway, I don't see a counter strategy happening, I think Itachi will get caught. There's no room for mistakes and If Itachi uses Susanoo he will more than likely die due to his lack of mobility. I'm not sure what you're referring to in your second statement, but there's no way in hell Itachi is killing Mu with a couple Kunai.

Nope my second statement was referring to the fact that itachi even when apparently gets attacked in his blind spot(by the 2 naruto clones)he effortlessly dispatched of them via kunai trick),how from there did you get to me saying he would do that to Muu and kill him?

1)The attack would give his position away immediately

2)When Muu was shown to use it in the manga he clearly hadn't expanded his cube/cone to the extent Onoki had,why?,because the enlarging process happens after the initial tiny cone/cubeis prepared

3)So in case Muu attempts to do that what happens is,itachi notices the presence immediately for already aforementioned reasons and appropriately makes a counter

 

[acdcrockgods]

itachi would win b/c we can see through his tricks remember itachi killed hundreds of uchiha plus scared the shit out of akatsuki by himself well...a little help from tobi with the uchiha issue but muu hasnt a chance in hell. i say a very close win for itachi

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Muu with difficulty

 

[Yo pappy]

Nope my second statement was referring to the fact that itachi even when apparently gets attacked in his blind spot(by the 2 naruto clones)he effortlessly dispatched of them via kunai trick),how from there did you get to me saying he would do that to Muu and kill him?

1)The attack would give his position away immediately

2)When Muu was shown to use it in the manga he clearly hadn't expanded his cube/cone to the extent Onoki had,why?,because the enlarging process happens after the initial tiny cone/cubeis prepared

3)So in case Muu attempts to do that what happens is,itachi notices the presence immediately for already aforementioned reasons and appropriately makes a counter

How will Itachi notice exactly? He's not a sensor. The attack won't give Mu's position away immediately if he's directly above or behind him, which isn't that hard to do with Mu's skill set. And by then it will be too late. Itachi is a sitting duck in this fight if he uses Susano, which he probably will. Mu is a bad match up for him.

 

[Lt Iceman]

How will Itachi notice exactly? He's not a sensor. The attack won't give Mu's position away immediately if he's directly above or behind him, which isn't that hard to do with Mu's skill set. And by then it will be too late. Itachi is a sitting duck in this fight if he uses Susano, which he probably will. Mu is a bad match up for him.

Why you running in circles now gentleman?

I several times already gave explanations as to why he would spot Muu,not for sensor abilities but for freaking blessed eyes that grant him reflexes that a normal shinobi can only dream of

here it's not about Itachi spotting muu,as it's as clear as day it won't happen,here it's about itachis reaction time after the former becomes visible,reaction time which i recall being beastly,something like reacting to real lightning isn't something any shinobi can boast about U_U

And no,just no,Itachi isn't any sitting duck,please stop the silliness at once

Now you said Muu goes airborne in the proximity of Itachi,and this is what happens in sequence

1)Itachi immediately notices the foe(reaction time)

2)Muu starts molding his dust attack(reasons i already addressed in my previous assessment),so the jutsu won't come out already prepared like you make it out to be,and in making something time/instants are passing by

3)Itachi or erects susano'o or ignites the tsuchikage on the spot

4)Muu's corpse dead and Itachi won another fight

 

[Tento]

Itachi, just barely.

 

[Yo pappy]

Why you running in circles now gentleman?

I several times already gave explanations as to why he would spot Muu,not for sensor abilities but for freaking blessed eyes that grant him reflexes that a normal shinobi can only dream of

here it's not about Itachi spotting muu,as it's as clear as day it won't happen,here it's about itachis reaction time after the former becomes visible,reaction time which i recall being beastly,something like reacting to real lightning isn't something any shinobi can boast about U_U

And no,just no,Itachi isn't any sitting duck,please stop the silliness at once

Now you said Muu goes airborne in the proximity of Itachi,and this is what happens in sequence

1)Itachi immediately notices the foe(reaction time)

2)Muu starts molding his dust attack(reasons i already addressed in my previous assessment),so the jutsu won't come out already prepared like you make it out to be,and in making something time/instants are passing by

3)Itachi or erects susano'o or ignites the tsuchikage on the spot

4)Muu's corpse dead and Itachi won another fight

You're literally talking about seconds here, something that can't really be measured in this case. Dust Release doesn't take long at all to mold, stop the silliness. Basically, how fast can Mu use the dust release before Itachi can realize what's going on and provide a proper counter? I give this to Mu. If Mu is directly behind him it's a possibility that Itachi won't even react. Itachi immediately this, Itachi immediately that... how is he going to react to something that he can't even see coming? And don't give me the whole Sharingan reaction time, Mu has to become visible first blah blah blah. If Mu is directly behind Itachi, and he uses Dust Release Itachi is pretty much screwed in my opinion. We don't have to agree.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

You're literally talking about seconds here, something that can't really be measured in this case. Dust Release doesn't take long at all to mold, stop the silliness. Basically, how fast can Mu use the dust release before Itachi can realize what's going on and provide a proper counter? I give this to Mu. If Mu is directly behind him it's a possibility that Itachi won't even react. Itachi immediately this, Itachi immediately that... how is he going to react to something that he can't even see coming? And don't give me the whole Sharingan reaction time, Mu has to become visible first blah blah blah. If Mu is directly behind Itachi, and he uses Dust Release Itachi is pretty much screwed in my opinion. We don't have to agree.

if muu comes directly behind itachi thats a bad thing itachi will be there in a flash i kno u kno abiut his speed so i dont have to say much.

 

[orona]

muu takes it by a very small margin, i would give reasons but yo pappy has already covered everything

 

[Kakashi Fang]

When was Muu his pet......
Also
Also Muu just doesnt have dust release,jinton,splittingand sensor techs.
He also has earth,fire and wind techs as well. Because as yamato stated its hard to combine elements....muu combines three so he had to master thos elements first.

Idk exactly when but Madara made it clear to Mu and Onoki that that they were inferior to him, and that they would serve under Konoha only.
Yeah yeah but he only used the techs I listed buddy.

 

[siyo]

Muu is a bad matchup for Itachi, and he is one of the few people(if not the only one) who can one-shot him.

 

[Lt Iceman]

You're literally talking about seconds here, something that can't really be measured in this case. Dust Release doesn't take long at all to mold, stop the silliness.

Seconds,by definition isn't something instant,so not being instantaneous it leaves room for a reaction frame,reaction frame that can be exploited U_U

Remember Itachi is no slug

Basically, how fast can Mu use the dust release before Itachi can realize what's going on and provide a proper counter? I give this to Mu. If Mu is directly behind him it's a possibility that Itachi won't even react.

There's a possibility you said,i must add a concrete one U_U

And i see you still insist with the notion,of itachi not seeing the attack coming,seriously?,after all the explanation about itachi being able to react to naruto's clones which attacked form his blind spot?...it's not like itachi is having a walk in the park gentleman,his senses are on max focus to detect any slightest movement,because you know he's fighting

Itachi immediately this, Itachi immediately that...

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how is he going to react to something that he can't even see coming?

How did Itachi react to a real lightning from the heaven itself?

And don't give me the whole Sharingan reaction time, Mu has to become visible first blah blah blah.

Same as above for the 1st part,as for the invisibility i already gave you manga examples to validate my claim,and the fact still remains that Muu to attack needs to get visible,well then if you then choose to dismiss this claim of mine i suggest you rather make a manga of your own,cause it seems your views aren't in line with this...you can go in denial however you want but still manga fact is undebatable,so going agains this is going directly against the manga U_U

If Mu is directly behind Itachi, and he uses Dust Release Itachi is pretty much screwed in my opinion. We don't have to agree.

I already amply gave explanations with manga examples to validate my claims in regards to his issue that you yet still arbitrarily refuse

Now if i summarized well your entire post,your claim is Itachi won't have the reaction time to do something against a dust release attack casted by the kage....

but inconveniently for you the manga disagrees:

[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-7/naruto/chapter-391.html"]http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-7/naruto/chapter-391.html[/URL]

In this panel you see a freaking lightning rain down from heaven upon itachi and at that point any other shinobi would have panicked and started to shit bricks,and he had no jutsu active at that very moment

[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-12/naruto/chapter-391.html"]http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-12/naruto/chapter-391.html[/URL]

and bamflash,he isn't dead,he survived via susano'o

But it's not finished yet,another event that shows that Itachi is panick-proof and thinks fast like an hexa-core processor,just have a look

[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/551/11"]http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/551/11[/URL]

He witnesses Chibaku tensei for the 1st time,and whilst in the area of effect of the jutsu,and moments away from dying he keeps his cool,processes the way to deal with it and all the rest is history gentleman U_U

So you see i validated my assessments via manga canon the reasons as to why Itachi will

1)React to a dust release far slower than actual lightning in the forms of susano'o or amaterasu

2)He will not panick even when surprised as shown in the instances i presented

Now it's clear at this point if you still go by the notion of Muu being able to move faster than Itachi could react to then it means,your stating that Muu Dust Release is faster than Lightning which the uchia already reacted to

Now if you can claim that Muu still wins then it means you pretty much despise Itachi and want Muu to win,rather than attain to what the managa has shown for both characters U_U

 

[Vayne]

muu but only barely