Who's a better Shinobi? Naruto vs Sasuke
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You're obviously new, most of the Base only base off their Definition of Shinobi off of Naruto's strength as a Jinchuuriki, truth hurts you that Naruto isn't a true representation of a "Shinobi". Naruto's just a happy-go lucky, straightforward fighting idiot with minimal skill without the power of Kurama and doesn't know when to give up. Oh, yes.. PERFECT REPRESENTATION of how every Shinobi in Naruto should be, if that were the case they wouldn't even be considered Shinobi anymore.... Hanzo Hattori would laugh at you today if he were alive in this generation. Your limited, naive thinking process is astounding.
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i believe it will be sasuke. naruto has qualities of being a better ninja but sasuke is way better of a ninja than naruto. i do not need to state the reasons because both the anime and manga speak for themselves
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Raw power and force goes to naruto but he is pretty much outclassed by sasuke in other categories. Ninjutsus , Genjutsu Taijutsu(base lv) sasuke excels. Add in intelligence, tactical skills and stealth moves and you hav a well ROUNDED Ninja Which imo makes him the better shinobi than Naruto
How old are you? Serious question.
Btw, dude.. If I believed Power was everything, I'd say Naruto was the better Shinobi, because that's ALL Naruto has going for him. Intelligence = Average, Genjutsu prowess = Non-Existent, Taijutsu = Average and dependent upon the Tailed Beast. Also, my belief of a Shinobi comes from the REAL LIFE definition as such as the days of Feudal Times... Not this morality you're spitting all over the place... So, if I were to save a few kittens would you deem me a Shinobi?
Because that's where your definition is leaning to... You ONLY talk about one's morality that should be the ONLY determining factor, you base this off of no such real events of the times of where Shinobi actually existed.. I'm assessing abilities, mind-states, and fighting methods altogether that determines a Shinobi... And Naruto isn't that.... In real life he'd just be a super-hero, not a Shinobi. Stealth tactics ---> There is none, whereas Sasuke has shown plenty, assassination tactics, Naruto's rash and let's his emotions determine EVERY one of his actions, which Kakashi advised against numerous times plus every one of Naruto's techniques are loud and flashy, as Chidori was classified as an assassination jutsu, Intelligence ---> Sasuke takes the upper hand again as Naruto's battle strategy involves head up hand to hand combat and not being able to work in the Shadows, Sasuke is much more composed and is able to think ahead when he isn't plagued by his hatred. Morality's = Both of them are equal. As they're two sides of the SAME coin sitting on the opposite sides of a fence.
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when naruto used reverse chakra to find the real pain, Nagato, what do u call that? obviously, u talking about the old naruto cuz current naruto has become stronger in taijtsu, in intelligence, and in all other elements...u are nothing but simply biased towards naruto.
How old are you? Serious question.
Btw, dude.. If I believed Power was everything, I'd say Naruto was the better Shinobi, because that's ALL Naruto has going for him. Intelligence = Average, Genjutsu prowess = Non-Existent, Taijutsu = Average and dependent upon the Tailed Beast. Also, my belief of a Shinobi comes from the REAL LIFE definition as such as the days of Feudal Times... Not this morality you're spitting all over the place... So, if I were to save a few kittens would you deem me a Shinobi?
What in the hell is reverse Chakra? Do you mean, Senjutsu Chakra???? You know Naruto and the rest of the village would've been destroyed by Nagato still if Naruto's words didn't reach him, right? Naruto's Taijutsu skills are still to this day average, as it's only boosted by Kurama's Chakra, his base skills are still all AVERAGE at best. Intelligence, he still uses the same slight deceptions that's gotten him along against EVERY villain in the series with a very slight twist, put Naruto in an extremely emotional situation, and he'll completely shut down just like this Chapter and/or act erratically as he has all the time... As of lately now, he's not even thinking in his battles, just following orders and using brute strength. His intelligence didn't really shine bright in the battle against Edo Nagato -__- .. He had no idea of what to do and nearly got himself killed, luckily Edo Itachi saved him. No, I'm not biased towards Naruto, but I'm not gonna sit here and overestimate his abilities.
Tell me where would Naruto be without Kurama???
As I've remembered before Sasuke even remembered he had Sharingan, he was still able to hold off two Chuunin from the Hidden Mist Village the beginning of the series and was more adept all aspects of the arts than Naruto was. Until they started training together. Only thing they were equal at then was Chakra control, and then Ebisu confirmed that his control was still terrible. Due to the Fox of course, but still a factor's a factor.
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speaking of dependent, i suppose u don't believe that sasuke is dependent upon his sharingan!...do u recall after naruto fought oro in 6 tails and hurt sakura in process that he swore to never rely on the 9 tails power intentionally?...
How old are you? Serious question.
Btw, dude.. If I believed Power was everything, I'd say Naruto was the better Shinobi, because that's ALL Naruto has going for him. Intelligence = Average, Genjutsu prowess = Non-Existent, Taijutsu = Average and dependent upon the Tailed Beast. Also, my belief of a Shinobi comes from the REAL LIFE definition as such as the days of Feudal Times... Not this morality you're spitting all over the place... So, if I were to save a few kittens would you deem me a Shinobi?
yeah, exactly, senjutsu chakra to reverse tracked nagato was absolutely brilliant and intelligent....nobody else could but Naruto did...for u to say naruto is not intelligent is a flat out lie...try again.....
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Lolz I know Sasuke's completely dependent upon Sharingan, but honestly who'd win in a battle of their Base skills? I'll wait.
By the way, Naruto's base skills haven't improved in the least, all the improvement he has now comes from Kyuubi Mode and Bijuu Mode. Ninjutsu still the same, Taijutsu, still the same, Genjutsu, never had it. Intelligence, still the same rash Naruto we've grown up with, just with a controlled Beast now.
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Okay, this has seriously got me laughing, facepalming and greeting my Teeth. Guys, this is a Manga. Not a discussion whether or not women should abort, for God's sake. Now, I love writing, so if you all really consider yourselves loyal readers of the Manga, try me: Let's see if you learn a thing or two:
1. Who's a better Shinobi? That depends on what does KISHIMOTO (and not our sorry asses) believe a Shinobi represents. If it's only skills, stealth, agility and successful control of personality, then Sasuke would be better. If it's about all that plus being loyal to a village, a code, and protecting something important and striving to mainain peace, then Naruto is the better one. May I remind you that the Sage of Six Paths is the Father of all Ninjutsu and Shinobi culture, and HE strived for Peace. Unlike Sasuke. In fact, when choosing the one who would succeed him, he chose the Younger Son, whose ideals were love and mutual understanding, rather than just power. Judging by those standards, Naruto OWNS Sasuke as a Shinobi. FACT.
2. Naruto has no strategy and relies on Kurama: This annoyed me. This is no longer giving your opinion... This is thinking you're mother****ing FIVE STARS Shinobi yourself. What fools. If we are going to detail how people rely on things, then Sasuke relies on Sharingan (as every other Uchiha, Danzou and Kakashi), Yamato on his Mokuton, Tsunade, Sakura and Shizune on their good chakra control and medical skills, Sai on his drawing speed and skills, and we could keep going.
As for strategy... By all means, my dear Masters of Dexterity and Mischief, what do thee believe strategy is, then? Just because Sasuke is cool, indifferent and overconfident (not to say arrogant) doesn't mean his strategies are better. If he really was THAT good, then how come he got his ASS KICKED by the Raikage, hmm? And not to mention the other Kages, of course. Naruto ALSO displayed a good use of craftiness whilst fighting against Sandaime Raikage. And you'll tell me: yeah, but he had help from Hachibi. Well, not so much. He had to figure it out by himself mostly. BOTH Naruto and Sasuke have a nice sense of strategy, and they use it as it fits THEIR STYLE. Sasuke likes to be the Boss mother****er, the God, the Oh-So-Untouchable fighter. Naruto simply likes a good battle, because he respects powerful oponents. Naruto may be a bit clumsy, so what, at least he's grown. Sasuke has only powered up. Up until now, he's still relying on others to give him answers. He hasn't grown one bit, and even after his brother shows him his ideals, he still pursues revenge as if it was the most important thing in the world. Hummmm... Thinking nothing is more important than you and your wishes? Not so smart for a strategy, but hey! Spare me. Didn't know that Sasuke was this series' main character. Oh wait. He's not.
3. Sasuke has mastered two elements. Naruto hasn't. OH MY GOD. SO POWERFUL. SO UNIQUE. SO ORIGINAL.......... But then again, Kakashi has done the same, as had Asuma, and Yamato, and Hiruzen... We can go on and on. Mastering two elements isn't a sign of being a genius. It's something to be EXPECTED if you aim for being a Jounin, at least, regularly. Not to mention, tons of ninjas have yet to reveal their two Element affinities, such as Guy and Kurenai, and Anko. And they are still Jounin. I bet Guy could kick Sasuke's ass good, and he isn't the type of mastering any elements, is he? Naruto has mastered one, and it was enough to bring about one of the most powerful and deadly techniques of the series: Fuuton, Rasen Shuriken. By the way, having a shitload of techniques for an element isn't proof of mastering it. What proves your Mastery over that element is being able to TRANSMITE that element to anything. To create anything from that element. And if you're looking for a Genius, look at Mei Terumi, Onooki and Muu. Three Element users, not to mention Mei uses TWO Kekkei Genkai, whereas Sasuke only has ONE, and Naruto has none. So, mastering two elements doesn't make Sasuke any greater than Naruto. It makes him tough, but not the toughest of the two.
4. Naruto (or Sasuke) Spams his Rasengans and Kage Bunshin (or Susan'oo and Amaterasu): Well, shit. I wonder what would YOU do on a fight, besides doing what you do best? Now, in terms of NUMBER of techniques, Naruto OWNS Sasuke. He has more Rasengan versions and Kuchiyose Varieties than Sasuke has with his Chidori. Katon wise, Sasuke knows about 4 techniques. Raiton wise, uhhhh... Chidori and Kirin. And did I mention Chidori? Okay, let's be fair. Chidori with three versions. Nagashi, normal and Senbon. So, another 4 techniques for Raiton. Naruto has a shit load of Rasengan versions, two versions of Rasen Shuriken, and Kage Bunshin... Not to mention we are still expecting him to inherit his father's Hiraishin No Jutsu... At which point, sorry, who's Sasuke? So more than spaming, it's like being CREATIVE with what you HAVE. Sasuke has what he has, Naruto has what he has. Again, Kishimoto's standards are law.
5. Sasuke has better knowledge about what it means to be a Shinobi than Naruto. LOL NOPE! Go back to chapter 593, and you'll witness Sasuke asking himself the meaning of many things that most Shinobi ALREADY KNOW. I'm not saying Naruto knows, but he IS closer to know than Sasuke's ever been, at least by Kishimoto's standards. Frankly, if you can't take orders from a figure of authority and obeying them as is, then being a Shinobi isn't much of your concern. That makes BOTH of them not so good Shinobi. Particularly Sasuke, since he's so like not-taking-orders-from-you-piece-of-shit kind of guy.
6. Naruto for Naruto Fanboys and Sasuke for Sasuke Fanboys. I agree with this opinion. Fanboys are idiots in most cases, except some of them who simply have a favorite and root for him or her. Most fanboys however seem to think some character is gonna come out of the Manga and marry them for their loyalty, LOL, such fools! Listen, here, noobs. A Manga is only a Manga. If you want Naruto's or Sasuke's ****, go write fanfiction. You're better off that way. You fools are the reason people think Otakus are people imprisoned at their own rooms, jerking off to some sick Hentai shit and claiming they know Japanese because they say dattebayo as Naruto or Hmph as Sasuke. Seriously, ****. YOU.
A true fan of the Manga, sticks with what its mother****ing AUTHOR says of it. Kishimoto says they're both equals, Naruto for Light and Sasuke for Darkness, then THAT'S IT. Stop trying to make others suck your favorite character's ****.
No I am in no way a Naruto Fanboy. I stick with him because his is the name of the story, I have learned more with him that with douche bag Sasuke, and I can relate to someone who everybody criticizes and underestimates, but that eventually shuts them all the **** up with sheer determination and ability. THAT's a hero. A Manga hero. Naruto was created to have that effect on people, and Sasuke was created to make people learn how badly can our circumstances and our ignorance affect us. Sasuke is cool, and shit. But he's a douche. FACT.
1. Who's a better Shinobi? That depends on what does KISHIMOTO (and not our sorry asses) believe a Shinobi represents. If it's only skills, stealth, agility and successful control of personality, then Sasuke would be better. If it's about all that plus being loyal to a village, a code, and protecting something important and striving to mainain peace, then Naruto is the better one. May I remind you that the Sage of Six Paths is the Father of all Ninjutsu and Shinobi culture, and HE strived for Peace. Unlike Sasuke. In fact, when choosing the one who would succeed him, he chose the Younger Son, whose ideals were love and mutual understanding, rather than just power. Judging by those standards, Naruto OWNS Sasuke as a Shinobi. FACT.
2. Naruto has no strategy and relies on Kurama: This annoyed me. This is no longer giving your opinion... This is thinking you're mother****ing FIVE STARS Shinobi yourself. What fools. If we are going to detail how people rely on things, then Sasuke relies on Sharingan (as every other Uchiha, Danzou and Kakashi), Yamato on his Mokuton, Tsunade, Sakura and Shizune on their good chakra control and medical skills, Sai on his drawing speed and skills, and we could keep going.
As for strategy... By all means, my dear Masters of Dexterity and Mischief, what do thee believe strategy is, then? Just because Sasuke is cool, indifferent and overconfident (not to say arrogant) doesn't mean his strategies are better. If he really was THAT good, then how come he got his ASS KICKED by the Raikage, hmm? And not to mention the other Kages, of course. Naruto ALSO displayed a good use of craftiness whilst fighting against Sandaime Raikage. And you'll tell me: yeah, but he had help from Hachibi. Well, not so much. He had to figure it out by himself mostly. BOTH Naruto and Sasuke have a nice sense of strategy, and they use it as it fits THEIR STYLE. Sasuke likes to be the Boss mother****er, the God, the Oh-So-Untouchable fighter. Naruto simply likes a good battle, because he respects powerful oponents. Naruto may be a bit clumsy, so what, at least he's grown. Sasuke has only powered up. Up until now, he's still relying on others to give him answers. He hasn't grown one bit, and even after his brother shows him his ideals, he still pursues revenge as if it was the most important thing in the world. Hummmm... Thinking nothing is more important than you and your wishes? Not so smart for a strategy, but hey! Spare me. Didn't know that Sasuke was this series' main character. Oh wait. He's not.
3. Sasuke has mastered two elements. Naruto hasn't. OH MY GOD. SO POWERFUL. SO UNIQUE. SO ORIGINAL.......... But then again, Kakashi has done the same, as had Asuma, and Yamato, and Hiruzen... We can go on and on. Mastering two elements isn't a sign of being a genius. It's something to be EXPECTED if you aim for being a Jounin, at least, regularly. Not to mention, tons of ninjas have yet to reveal their two Element affinities, such as Guy and Kurenai, and Anko. And they are still Jounin. I bet Guy could kick Sasuke's ass good, and he isn't the type of mastering any elements, is he? Naruto has mastered one, and it was enough to bring about one of the most powerful and deadly techniques of the series: Fuuton, Rasen Shuriken. By the way, having a shitload of techniques for an element isn't proof of mastering it. What proves your Mastery over that element is being able to TRANSMITE that element to anything. To create anything from that element. And if you're looking for a Genius, look at Mei Terumi, Onooki and Muu. Three Element users, not to mention Mei uses TWO Kekkei Genkai, whereas Sasuke only has ONE, and Naruto has none. So, mastering two elements doesn't make Sasuke any greater than Naruto. It makes him tough, but not the toughest of the two.
4. Naruto (or Sasuke) Spams his Rasengans and Kage Bunshin (or Susan'oo and Amaterasu): Well, shit. I wonder what would YOU do on a fight, besides doing what you do best? Now, in terms of NUMBER of techniques, Naruto OWNS Sasuke. He has more Rasengan versions and Kuchiyose Varieties than Sasuke has with his Chidori. Katon wise, Sasuke knows about 4 techniques. Raiton wise, uhhhh... Chidori and Kirin. And did I mention Chidori? Okay, let's be fair. Chidori with three versions. Nagashi, normal and Senbon. So, another 4 techniques for Raiton. Naruto has a shit load of Rasengan versions, two versions of Rasen Shuriken, and Kage Bunshin... Not to mention we are still expecting him to inherit his father's Hiraishin No Jutsu... At which point, sorry, who's Sasuke? So more than spaming, it's like being CREATIVE with what you HAVE. Sasuke has what he has, Naruto has what he has. Again, Kishimoto's standards are law.
5. Sasuke has better knowledge about what it means to be a Shinobi than Naruto. LOL NOPE! Go back to chapter 593, and you'll witness Sasuke asking himself the meaning of many things that most Shinobi ALREADY KNOW. I'm not saying Naruto knows, but he IS closer to know than Sasuke's ever been, at least by Kishimoto's standards. Frankly, if you can't take orders from a figure of authority and obeying them as is, then being a Shinobi isn't much of your concern. That makes BOTH of them not so good Shinobi. Particularly Sasuke, since he's so like not-taking-orders-from-you-piece-of-shit kind of guy.
6. Naruto for Naruto Fanboys and Sasuke for Sasuke Fanboys. I agree with this opinion. Fanboys are idiots in most cases, except some of them who simply have a favorite and root for him or her. Most fanboys however seem to think some character is gonna come out of the Manga and marry them for their loyalty, LOL, such fools! Listen, here, noobs. A Manga is only a Manga. If you want Naruto's or Sasuke's ****, go write fanfiction. You're better off that way. You fools are the reason people think Otakus are people imprisoned at their own rooms, jerking off to some sick Hentai shit and claiming they know Japanese because they say dattebayo as Naruto or Hmph as Sasuke. Seriously, ****. YOU.
A true fan of the Manga, sticks with what its mother****ing AUTHOR says of it. Kishimoto says they're both equals, Naruto for Light and Sasuke for Darkness, then THAT'S IT. Stop trying to make others suck your favorite character's ****.
No I am in no way a Naruto Fanboy. I stick with him because his is the name of the story, I have learned more with him that with douche bag Sasuke, and I can relate to someone who everybody criticizes and underestimates, but that eventually shuts them all the **** up with sheer determination and ability. THAT's a hero. A Manga hero. Naruto was created to have that effect on people, and Sasuke was created to make people learn how badly can our circumstances and our ignorance affect us. Sasuke is cool, and shit. But he's a douche. FACT.