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Well if you say so.
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Well if you say so.OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his powers through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?
Well if you say so.OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?
Well if you say so.OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his powers through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?
Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konohaBruh Sasuke left because of ITachi stop the bs dude. Kyuubi gives him that powerful chakra to match Sasuke. MS is incomplete, ITachi eyes are the definition of a tool because the owner is dead and it's only a weapon. NAruto is talentless deal with it, that's how the story goes one has talent and good genes. one is abandoned and finds his way with the cooperation of others.
Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha
Your biased opinion is sick.
Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.
Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.
Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.stop with this BS.
Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha
Your biased opinion is sick.
Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.
Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.
stop with this BS.Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.
Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha
Your biased opinion is sick.
Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.
Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.
Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.stop with this BS.
Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan acting separate of their wielder's awareness...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder information otherwise unobtainable to them...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder advice on how to progress the battle...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder extra chakra reserves on top of the already augmented healing abilities, physical power boosts, speed enhancements, and ninjutsu potency...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan supplementing abilities their wielder already had, rather than giving all new, separate abilities to be learned and incorporated into their wielder's skill set...
Need I go on? I would prefer not to, as this is so far off topic it hurts.
Undoubtedly Naruto. He was the underdog. His entire character is based on just that, never giving up & perservering no matter what. He struggled to make regular clones ffs. Sasuke's training was off paneled if he did much. Naruto also had Kurama disrupting his chakra and stunting his growth, leaving him still learning the basics with Jiraiya. Naruto's stamina also allowed him to train longet & harder.
Multi shadow clone training itself fir FRS is a good fraction of Sasuke's total training time since it's 100 times the xp of one person training.
I don't need to read to assume that some Sasuke fans who are usually calling Naruto fodder in comparison to Sasuke any other opportunity are actually hyping him up to make it seem like their Lord Sasuke tried harder & is superior to Naruto in this category too. Do I?
Didn't read anything before this but the dojutsu instantly gives the user access to jutsu such as the paths. Not only that but nearly any jutsu they see is also immediately replicated. It gives the user all the info they wouldn't usually have by themselves such as chakra flows etc. It tells the user what the opponent is about to do before they do it via pre cog. Yet you're acting like Kurama is the only one that tells its user something. Just seemed a lil biased is all...
You also mentioned Kurama giving healing/chakra/ninjutsu buffs. *cough robot path, healing path, preta path, OP ninjutsu paths cough*
exactly.
Sm > cm
kcm > ms
bm > ems
9 bijuu + gudoudama > rinnegan + advanced shunshin
yet sasuke was even through it all. That's how handicaps work, kids.
Are you sure about these?Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha
Your biased opinion is sick.
Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.
Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.
stop with this BS.Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day. Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.
Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
Kurama is a source of chakra. eyes jutsu are just techniques. You can't use eyes jutsu without energy. So really bringing up the jutsu or paths really are pointless, because at the end of the day, you gotta supply them jutsu or paths with chakra.
Naruto is a yang type. There is like limitless room that naruto got to grow. Sasuke reached his yang limit after those 3 years. So he can't get any physically stronger like Naruto. He only had room to grow spiritually...(MS,rinnegan, advance spirutial energy awaken from MS). Can't really train for those. Only can be awaken from experience the pain of loss.
Here's my final say on the matter.
Sasuke and Naruto trained equally hard. The difference is that Sasuke's natural talent made that training more efficient, making him stronger. Because of that, Naruto had to supplement the difference with Kurama's power.
That is my final say.
Sasuke trained for 3 years. Naruto trained for 1month and was handed Kurama.
First of all. Preta path alone negs your first argument. Second of all. Sage power up obviously came with chakra & Sasuke's chakra becomes more potent as he gets older & trains. Better proficiency = less chakra taxing. Dojutsu provides maximum efficiency. Instantly for most jutsu. We've seen the affect of amaterasu for example on an MS user & then on VOTE 2 Sasuke.
Second paragraph sounds like you're agreeing with me/fanfic limit bs.
Over used hot thread is over used time after time.
Sasuke/Neji trained more than Naruto/Rock Lee
^^^^^^ Story Timeline is a proof to that. So in actuality the ones who were credited to "hardwork", were the real geniuses. And the ones who were called "geniuses" were the ones who did the more hardwork.
As for the Kurama/Uchiha matter...... Naruto would've been able to keep up with Sasuke without Kurama until Sasuke unlocked his EMS.
And EMS isn't solely a power that is Sasuke's only. And for that Naruto would've needed Kurama.