Who trained harder?? : Naruto Uzumaki OR Sasuke Uchiwa????????

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Well if you say so. ;) OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his powers through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?
 
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Well if you say so. ;) OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his powers through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?

Nicely done.
 

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Well if you say so. ;) OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?


Well the argument of the opposing side is that MS automatically grants powers, sure experience helps but even former fodder like obito were able to become near kage level with MS once awakened. Well that is unless obito had more talent then sasuke who knows.

Mind you I have chosen to be neutral and not favoring either side.
 

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Well if you say so. ;) OT: For the most part Sasuke's most talked power ups(mainly MS) lasts for a couple of arcs. This is to say that he worked for his powers through stages and takes his time. Naruto on the hand trains when something huge arises and he gets his power ups within one freaking arc. :| You obviously can't train for MS it's bye bye eye sockets, with Naruto he could have trained any time he wanted(despite having conflicts with Kurama). Know what I am trying to say?

Naruto had that Plot-no-jutsu" training lol.
 

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Bruh Sasuke left because of ITachi stop the bs dude. Kyuubi gives him that powerful chakra to match Sasuke. MS is incomplete, ITachi eyes are the definition of a tool because the owner is dead and it's only a weapon. NAruto is talentless deal with it, that's how the story goes one has talent and good genes. one is abandoned and finds his way with the cooperation of others.
Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha

Your biased opinion is sick.

Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.

Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.

stop with this BS.Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.

Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
 

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Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha

Your biased opinion is sick.

Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.

Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.

Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.stop with this BS.

Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.

Lmao you wish. Do i need to post scans of people calling Naruto retarded, talentless, Itachi being dead, Naruto callingKurama his friend and taking his advice on multiple occassions for you to get the picture? XD
 

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Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha

Your biased opinion is sick.

Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.

Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.

stop with this BS.Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.

Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.

You call that "talent-less" lol? I don't know about you, but that is some prodigy feat. right there.
 

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Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha

Your biased opinion is sick.

Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.

Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.

Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day.Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.stop with this BS.

Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.

I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan acting separate of their wielder's awareness...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder information otherwise unobtainable to them...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder advice on how to progress the battle...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder extra chakra reserves on top of the already augmented healing abilities, physical power boosts, speed enhancements, and ninjutsu potency...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan supplementing abilities their wielder already had, rather than giving all new, separate abilities to be learned and incorporated into their wielder's skill set...

Need I go on? I would prefer not to, as this is so far off topic it hurts.
 
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Undoubtedly Naruto. He was the underdog. His entire character is based on just that, never giving up & perservering no matter what. He struggled to make regular clones ffs. Sasuke's training was off paneled if he did much. Naruto also had Kurama disrupting his chakra and stunting his growth, leaving him still learning the basics with Jiraiya. Naruto's stamina also allowed him to train longet & harder.

Multi shadow clone training itself fir FRS is a good fraction of Sasuke's total training time since it's 100 times the xp of one person training. :coffee:

I don't need to read to assume that some Sasuke fans who are usually calling Naruto fodder in comparison to Sasuke any other opportunity are actually hyping him up to make it seem like their Lord Sasuke tried harder & is superior to Naruto in this category too. Do I? :p

I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan acting separate of their wielder's awareness...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder information otherwise unobtainable to them...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder advice on how to progress the battle...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan giving their wielder extra chakra reserves on top of the already augmented healing abilities, physical power boosts, speed enhancements, and ninjutsu potency...
I don't recall the EMS or Rinnegan supplementing abilities their wielder already had, rather than giving all new, separate abilities to be learned and incorporated into their wielder's skill set...

Need I go on? I would prefer not to, as this is so far off topic it hurts.

Didn't read anything before this but the dojutsu instantly gives the user access to jutsu such as the paths. Not only that but nearly any jutsu they see is also immediately replicated. It gives the user all the info they wouldn't usually have by themselves such as chakra flows etc. It tells the user what the opponent is about to do before they do it via pre cog. Yet you're acting like Kurama is the only one that tells its user something. Just seemed a lil biased is all...

You also mentioned Kurama giving healing/chakra/ninjutsu buffs. *cough robot path, healing path, preta path, OP ninjutsu paths cough*

Just pointing some shizz out. I don't really care after this. I've given my opinion.
 
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Undoubtedly Naruto. He was the underdog. His entire character is based on just that, never giving up & perservering no matter what. He struggled to make regular clones ffs. Sasuke's training was off paneled if he did much. Naruto also had Kurama disrupting his chakra and stunting his growth, leaving him still learning the basics with Jiraiya. Naruto's stamina also allowed him to train longet & harder.

Multi shadow clone training itself fir FRS is a good fraction of Sasuke's total training time since it's 100 times the xp of one person training. :coffee:

I don't need to read to assume that some Sasuke fans who are usually calling Naruto fodder in comparison to Sasuke any other opportunity are actually hyping him up to make it seem like their Lord Sasuke tried harder & is superior to Naruto in this category too. Do I? :p



Didn't read anything before this but the dojutsu instantly gives the user access to jutsu such as the paths. Not only that but nearly any jutsu they see is also immediately replicated. It gives the user all the info they wouldn't usually have by themselves such as chakra flows etc. It tells the user what the opponent is about to do before they do it via pre cog. Yet you're acting like Kurama is the only one that tells its user something. Just seemed a lil biased is all...

You also mentioned Kurama giving healing/chakra/ninjutsu buffs. *cough robot path, healing path, preta path, OP ninjutsu paths cough*

Kurama is a source of chakra. eyes jutsu are just techniques. You can't use eyes jutsu without energy. So really bringing up the jutsu or paths really are pointless, because at the end of the day, you gotta supply them jutsu or paths with chakra.

Naruto is a yang type. There is like limitless room that naruto got to grow. Sasuke reached his yang limit after those 3 years. So he can't get any physically stronger like Naruto. He only had room to grow spiritually...(MS,rinnegan, advance spirutial energy awaken from MS). Can't really train for those. Only can be awaken from experience the pain of loss.
 
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Congrats OP, well played.

OT; Who trained the harder? Depends, I guess. I explained a bit of it in page 1
 

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As it was said earlier in this thread, they trained proportional to their talents i order to produce results, for Naruto that may seem like and probably was more. I'm down for that explanation, but can you explain why it is after a year of Naruto being over people still act like Sasuke never trained a day in his life to gain abilities, I mean lets count them:

1. Sharingan- the kekkei genkai of the uchiha clan, his right by birth granted from genetics. Naruto's equivalent to that is the 9 tails, although Kurama actually stunted his growth in the early stages.

2. Fire style- you mean to tell me that people believe that Sasuke just woke up one morning and knew how to utilize all the fire techniques he showcased. It was stated he trained an entire week to learn fireball jutsu in order to impress his father after he was compared to itachi. Pheonix flower, dragon flame and the rest of techniques were learned offscreen and only showcased when Sasuke was in battle, since you know, Sasuk isn't the MC. I mean he didn't just wake up one day and boom, fire style.

2. Chidori and its derivatives (Kirin, Stream, Senbon etc.)- Learned the original technique from Kakashi and developed the derivatives on his own, as even orochimaru hadn't seen the chidori sharp spear.

(Gonna keep it concise from now on)

3. Curse Mark- Forced upon him by orochimaru and was actually bad for his health originally (where have I heard this before *cough*Kurama*cough*) and gained a boost in power when utilized. He trained to master the form over the timeskip and could even use partial transformation.

4.MS- obtained from learning the truth from obito, as y'know, thats the condition to unlock it. He sucked with it at the start and due to lack of training had to learn it from experience (through the Killer Bee fight (Amaterasu), the Kage summit (Enton and the first stages of Susanoo) and the Danzou fight (V2 Susanoo and briefly v3 when he encountered team 7)).

5. EMS- Itachi's eyes, given to him by Obito, could be called a given power.... but he still had to master it, hence the reason he didn't bust out Perfect Susanoo the second he touched the battlefield, because he once again had to learn it by battle experience and had it for about a day or two, never actually getting the opportunity to put in the work with it.

6. Rinnegan- Hagaromo gifted like RSM, but he still had to learn the 6 paths techniques over time, on top of that ameno possessed a cooldown time when first gained.

Tl:dr- Sasuke never got the time to train his eye related techniques as he never possessed them long enough to show his full mastery. He still trained prior to gaining the MS and learned everything else after that by trial by fire.

OT: Naruto trained more and possibly harder due to his low skill level early on, however Sasuke also trained hard but less than Naruto in the initial stages.
 

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Sasuke left because of itachi but naruto made sasuke feel that sasuke is weak.Naruto played the role in Sasuke's abundance of konoha

Your biased opinion is sick.

Its not like naruto asked minato for kyuubi.Minato sealed kyuubi without his consent.Whereas sasuke asked obito to implant itachi's eyes in him.
Kyuubi had the major impact on Naruto's potential.Naruto's Chakra Control was poor because of kyuubi.Naruto had to use more chakra than usual to preform most of his jutsus because of kyuubi.

stop with this BS.Naruto was talent-less yet he learned Rasengan within 3 days and Mastered SM within a day. Even Jiraiya and Minato wasn't able to perfected their SM.

Kyuubi is a tool of naruto as much as rinnegan and EMS are tools of sasuke.
Are you sure about these?
 
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Kurama is a source of chakra. eyes jutsu are just techniques. You can't use eyes jutsu without energy. So really bringing up the jutsu or paths really are pointless, because at the end of the day, you gotta supply them jutsu or paths with chakra.

Naruto is a yang type. There is like limitless room that naruto got to grow. Sasuke reached his yang limit after those 3 years. So he can't get any physically stronger like Naruto. He only had room to grow spiritually...(MS,rinnegan, advance spirutial energy awaken from MS). Can't really train for those. Only can be awaken from experience the pain of loss.

First of all. Preta path alone negs your first paragraph. Second of all. Sage power up obviously came with chakra & Sasuke's chakra becomes more potent as he gets older & trains. Better proficiency = less chakra taxing. Dojutsu provides maximum efficiency. Instantly for most jutsu. We've seen the affect of amaterasu for example on an MS user & then on VOTE 2 Sasuke. Just sounds like you're fapping over how fit Sasuke was apparently? XD Naruto is primarily Yang & Sasuke is primarily Yin. What of it

Second paragraph sounds like you're agreeing with me/fanfic limit bs.

Over used hot thread is over used time after time.
 
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See alot of biased post on this thread, not that I'm surprised.


Based off the manga, Naruto did if we go by what was shown in the manga. Don't even know how people are saying Sasuke trained harder


Here's my final say on the matter.

Sasuke and Naruto trained equally hard. The difference is that Sasuke's natural talent made that training more efficient, making him stronger. Because of that, Naruto had to supplement the difference with Kurama's power.

That is my final say.

Didn't know ocular powers that are automatically given to you was considered training


Sasuke trained for 3 years. Naruto trained for 1month and was handed Kurama.

Noooo :|
 
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First of all. Preta path alone negs your first argument. Second of all. Sage power up obviously came with chakra & Sasuke's chakra becomes more potent as he gets older & trains. Better proficiency = less chakra taxing. Dojutsu provides maximum efficiency. Instantly for most jutsu. We've seen the affect of amaterasu for example on an MS user & then on VOTE 2 Sasuke.

Second paragraph sounds like you're agreeing with me/fanfic limit bs.

Over used hot thread is over used time after time.


outside of PP, you gotta use chakra/spiritual energy to use any of the paths/jutsu. Meaning at the end of the day, it depend on the user's reverse. Meanwhile, a person with Kurama inside of him, got a 2nd source of chakra to use any jutsu they know. So you sit there and tell me how that shit balance out in the end? According to Vote2 Kurama(2nd source of chakra) topped paths/jutsu in the end.
 

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Sasuke/Neji trained more than Naruto/Rock Lee


^^^^^^ Story Timeline is a proof to that. So in actuality the ones who were credited to "hardwork", were the real geniuses. And the ones who were called "geniuses" were the ones who did the more hardwork.


As for the Kurama/Uchiha matter...... Naruto would've been able to keep up with Sasuke without Kurama until Sasuke unlocked his EMS.

And EMS isn't solely a power that is Sasuke's only. And for that Naruto would've needed Kurama.
 
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Sasuke/Neji trained more than Naruto/Rock Lee


^^^^^^ Story Timeline is a proof to that. So in actuality the ones who were credited to "hardwork", were the real geniuses. And the ones who were called "geniuses" were the ones who did the more hardwork.


As for the Kurama/Uchiha matter...... Naruto would've been able to keep up with Sasuke without Kurama until Sasuke unlocked his EMS.

And EMS isn't solely a power that is Sasuke's only. And for that Naruto would've needed Kurama.

Do you think you can prove this with manga scans to be true?
 

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>Sharingan
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You can be born a total loser and all you need to cry to get kage level techniques right off the bat. (cough obito cough)
Then you can rip eyes off the corpse of your brother and get more techniques

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This is the extent of "training" of an uchiha
 
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