[Discussion] who the strongest of the supernovas

[Bimbonium]

Until his awakening allows him to control the iron and other metals in the earth lol.

Oh, I was thinking he'll be able to control the iron in the blood (I think I've seen this somewhere before - controlling iron in the blood)

 

[Love Cook]

X-Drake
Law/Kidd/Luffy
----------------------High Tier
Urouge
Zoro/Killer
Apoo/Hawkins
--------------------Middle Tier
Bonney/Bege
--------------------Low Tier

I have no idea what the exact ranking is because we haven't seen a lot of them go all out.

I think based on hype and portrayal Drake is the strongest at this point. Followed by Law/Kidd/Luffy.

Then there are a lot of which I have no clue in what order to place them. But I think Urouge (give him an upper hand for now because of his feats) Zoro and Killer, Apoo and Hawkins are all more or less in the same ballpark.

Not really impressed with Bonney and Bege so far. So they're at the bottom.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The Urogue fight probably wasn't 1v1 since there were two other nova there at the time and I doubt they got taken out before they could fight back at all, plus who would go in without some crew backup? But the Rain definitely made it easier for Luffy to break the biscuits and it is implied he wouldn't have been able to beat him without help.

Lmao

You proved nothing at all with that scan


Nami's rain to the biscuits helped Luffy the same way milk helps us eat Oreos.

And again, how are you so sure Urouge defeated the Sweet Commander 1v1?? without one (or more) of his crew members helping him.. providing what could be the equivalent to Nami's rain in the Luffy vs Cracker fight??

Did Oda draw out the Urouge fight for us?


I think you're the one who needs to actually read the manga and stop just looking at the pictures.. :bdpf:

It was stated that Urouge was the one who defeated Snack. Until further information comes out, the evidence so far says it's a 1 vs 1. Also, Cracker explicitly stated that his ultra-hard biscuits were turned edible by Nami's rain, meaning Luffy couldn't eat them before.

1. Urouge by feats
2. Luffy/Law, Law has an edge
3. Zoro
4. Kid or Drake
5. The rest

Bege is currently an outlier for me. He hasn't shown any offense capable of hurting the others, but his defense took several hits from Big Mom, which is more power than many of the others have feats to match themselves, so not all of them can defeat him as much as stalemate by all indications so far.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It was stated that Urouge was the one who defeated Snack. Until further information comes out, the evidence so far says it's a 1 vs 1. Also, Cracker explicitly stated that his ultra-hard biscuits were turned edible by Nami's rain, meaning Luffy couldn't eat them before.

1. Urouge by feats
2. Luffy/Law, Law has an edge
3. Zoro
4. Kid or Drake
5. The rest

Bege is currently an outlier for me. He hasn't shown any offense capable of hurting the others, but his defense took several hits from Big Mom, which is more power than many of the others have feats to match themselves, so not all of them can defeat him as much as stalemate by all indications so far.

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[Punk Hazard]

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Luffy's fighting style doesn't mesh well with the fact that Law is an incredibly hax fighter. Luffy's style involves charging in head-on against the opponent, forcing his way through with whatever they throw at him, dragging the fight out with brute force. Law is the exact opposite, his powers involve ending a fight in as few moves as possible, so even one or two of them landing can end the fight. With someone like Luffy who charges in recklessly to plow through whatever is coming at him, Law has the advantage because his attacks aren't something you can just mesh through. Law also has the edge in stamina wise, if Dressrosa is any indication.

 

[LBeezy]

It was stated that Urouge was the one who defeated Snack. Until further information comes out, the evidence so far says it's a 1 vs 1. Also, Cracker explicitly stated that his ultra-hard biscuits were turned edible by Nami's rain, meaning Luffy couldn't eat them before.

1. Urouge by feats
2. Luffy/Law, Law has an edge
3. Zoro
4. Kid or Drake
5. The rest

Bege is currently an outlier for me. He hasn't shown any offense capable of hurting the others, but his defense took several hits from Big Mom, which is more power than many of the others have feats to match themselves, so not all of them can defeat him as much as stalemate by all indications so far.

But it wasn't even Urouge or the Sweet Commander themself to say it.. so how reliable is it at the end of the day?

Actually, it isn't reliable at all since the same person who said it, also states that Urouge's "corpse is probably rotting off somewhere around here" when we clearly know that's not true.

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Also Brulee says that Urouge "actually succeeded in taking down one of our commanders"..

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It's stated that "Straw Hat Luffy is the man who brought down Doflamingo".. soooo that was a 1v1 as well right?



Regardless though, with Cracker being the one to "get rid" of Urouge, by feats Luffy > Urouge.. (The Sweet Commander Urouge fought < Cracker).

 

[Punk Hazard]

But it wasn't even Urouge or the Sweet Commander themself to say it.. so how reliable is it at the end of the day?

Very. It was from someone who is in the crew and with no reason to lie about how one of her own were defeated.

Actually, it isn't reliable at all since the same person who said it, also states that Urouge's "corpse is probably rotting off somewhere around here" when we clearly know that's not true.

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Brulee being mistaken about something that's happening across the ocean where she has no way of being there does not invalidate that she was there when the commander was taken down.

Also Brulee says that Urouge "actually succeeded in taking down one of our commanders"..

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It's stated that "Straw Hat Luffy is the man who brought down Doflamingo".. soooo that was a 1v1 as well right?

But they weren't there for Luffy vs Doflamingo. They were there for Urouge's invasion. We have no information to say without a doubt that Urouge didn't take down Cracker, and while there is little enough to have doubt, not enough to discount it as a feat for Urouge.

Regardless though, with Cracker being the one to "get rid" of Urouge, by feats Luffy > Urouge.. (The Sweet Commander Urouge fought < Cracker).

Cracker is stronger than Luffy though.

 

[LBeezy]

Very. It was from someone who is in the crew and with no reason to lie about how one of her own were defeated.

By saying "Urouge took down one of our commanders" she wouldn't be lieing even if Urouge had help from one or more of his crew members..

But her word is extremely unreliable as shown in my last post regardless.

Brulee being mistaken about something that's happening across the ocean where she has no way of being there does not invalidate that she was there when the commander was taken down.

It's not across the ocean.. it's their own forest! She's mistaken about something within their own territory..


I just read the whole thing and not once does it say that she was there.. Oda never wrote any character saying that.

But they weren't there for Luffy vs Doflamingo. They were there for Urouge's invasion. We have no information to say without a doubt that Urouge didn't take down Cracker, and while there is little enough to have doubt, not enough to discount it as a feat for Urouge.

So Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself then.. okay cool..

 

[Punk Hazard]

By saying "Urouge took down one of our commanders" she wouldn't be lieing even if Urouge had help from one or more of his crew members..

But her word is extremely unreliable as shown in my last post regardless.


It's not across the ocean.. it's their own forest! She's mistaken about something within their own territory..

Except Brulee's credibility about things outside of the territory does not reflect her credibility about things inside of the territory. She didn't know what happened to Urouge once he was thrown out of Big Mom's territory, hence why she said he was probably off rotting somewhere. That, she can be wrong about and it wouldn't affect her credibility about what happened in the fight because Brulee was in the territory and would hear about it all as it's happening, not to mention the mirrors she has all over the island.

So Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself then.. okay cool..

How stupid can you truly be? I never once said this. I said the wording used to describe the situation does warrant DOUBT as to what happened, but it's NOT enough to discount it as a feat towards Urouge. For that, we need other supplementary information, which we do not have.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It was stated that Urouge was the one who defeated Snack. Until further information comes out, the evidence so far says it's a 1 vs 1. Also, Cracker explicitly stated that his ultra-hard biscuits were turned edible by Nami's rain, meaning Luffy couldn't eat them before.

1. Urouge by feats
2. Luffy/Law, Law has an edge
3. Zoro
4. Kid or Drake
5. The rest

Bege is currently an outlier for me. He hasn't shown any offense capable of hurting the others, but his defense took several hits from Big Mom, which is more power than many of the others have feats to match themselves, so not all of them can defeat him as much as stalemate by all indications so far.

They'll say Luffy took out Cracker in the reports most likely but we know that's not how it happened. When I read this chapter when it came out I thought it said Urogue went in with Bege, Apoo and Kidd, Bege betrayed they fled and Urogue got separated so they replaced him with Hawkins that's why I was figuring it wasn't likely a 1v1 but after rereading that's not how it sounds, it sounds like they all arrived at different times from each other with the exception maybe being Kidd and Apoo already being together or forming their alliance there by chance?

 

[Punk Hazard]

They'll say Luffy took out Cracker in the reports most likely but we know that's not how it happened.

Yeah this isn't the same as a retelling from a person who was in the territory, likely there, and has eyes all over the island. Until we receive more information showing it wasn't a 1 vs 1, it was a 1 v 1.

When I read this chapter when it came out I thought it said Urogue went in with Bege, Apoo and Kidd, Bege betrayed they fled and Urogue got separated so they replaced him with Hawkins that's why I was figuring it wasn't likely a 1v1 but after rereading that's not how it sounds, it sounds like they all arrived at different times from each other with the exception maybe being Kidd and Apoo already being together or forming their alliance there by chance?

Apoo formed the alliance in Kid's hideout. Killer mentioned he invited them there and Apoo arrived before Kid got to the room, which is why he caused the ruckus about snipers and almost ended up ruining the whole thing. Killer mentioned he was powerful, it's likely he knew about that from their time in Whole Cake though.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Ma D Monk is the strongest.
He took down a Sweet Commander by himself and that is the best Supernova feat thus far.
It took Cracker+Prometheus+Zues+BM's Army to get him off the island.

Even Kaido avoided fighting him!
Kaido went to Balloon Terminal in order to make it his territory like he did with Wano but the moment he saw Urouge he got scared and quickly jumped off the clouds like a coward lol
And remember that Kaido immediately challenged Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins the moment he saw them but he didnt even touch Urouge!

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when ws this

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

X-Drake
Law/Kidd/Luffy
----------------------High Tier
Urouge
Zoro/Killer
Apoo/Hawkins
--------------------Middle Tier
Bonney/Bege
--------------------Low Tier

I have no idea what the exact ranking is because we haven't seen a lot of them go all out.

I think based on hype and portrayal Drake is the strongest at this point. Followed by Law/Kidd/Luffy.

Then there are a lot of which I have no clue in what order to place them. But I think Urouge (give him an upper hand for now because of his feats) Zoro and Killer, Apoo and Hawkins are all more or less in the same ballpark.

Not really impressed with Bonney and Bege so far. So they're at the bottom.

wht feat do drake have

 

[-Akuma-]

How do we know Urouge didn't have one (or more) of his crew members helping him against the Sweet Commander?

Yall love to take away the victory from Luffy because Nami made it rain, lol like seriously listen to that for a second, yet you speak like the manga actually showed Urouge fighting by himself..

Funny how some of your minds work....

But the manga never implied that. Until is show Urouge jumping the commander I'll assume otherwise. Get Luffy's **** out of your ass because it appears you're mad people are saying Urouge>Luffy.

 

[arv993]

Luffy's fighting style doesn't mesh well with the fact that Law is an incredibly hax fighter. Luffy's style involves charging in head-on against the opponent, forcing his way through with whatever they throw at him, dragging the fight out with brute force. Law is the exact opposite, his powers involve ending a fight in as few moves as possible, so even one or two of them landing can end the fight. With someone like Luffy who charges in recklessly to plow through whatever is coming at him, Law has the advantage because his attacks aren't something you can just mesh through. Law also has the edge in stamina wise, if Dressrosa is any indication.

What a load of crap as usual. His room capabilities are not nearly as effective against fast opponents, he was mid diffed by doffy, a G4 luffy actually had stronger and faster attacks than even doffy. A G4 luffy is above law by a decent margin until law ups his game.

 

[arv993]

But the manga never implied that. Until is show Urouge jumping the commander I'll assume otherwise. Get Luffy's **** out of your ass because it appears you're mad people are saying Urouge>Luffy.

But you are making the assumption that snack is close to a doffy level. Who luffy gave quite a run for his money. Until we get some hype or great feats from snack we can't assume urouge is at that level, he is probably very close to luffy but luffys feats are better for now.

 

[LBeezy]

But the manga never implied that. Until is show Urouge jumping the commander I'll assume otherwise. Get Luffy's **** out of your ass because it appears you're mad people are saying Urouge>Luffy.

Lol woah woah woah.. you seem mad about something buddy.

The manga said Urouge took down Snack and the manga also said Luffy brought down Doflamingo..

I'll let you decide what you want to think after that....

 

[chopstickchakra]

Lol woah woah woah.. you seem mad about something buddy.

The manga said Urouge took down Snack and the manga also said Luffy brought down Doflamingo..

I'll let you decide what you want to think after that....

Fair point, even Gatz and Dressrosa citizens gave credit to Luffy rather than Law & Luffy. You didn't hear them shouting "our saviors" even though Law played just as big a role.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What a load of crap as usual. His room capabilities are not nearly as effective against fast opponents, he was mid diffed by doffy, a G4 luffy actually had stronger and faster attacks than even doffy. A G4 luffy is above law by a decent margin until law ups his game.

Not really. For one thing, teleporting>any speed Gear Fourth could ever produce. Secondly, Doflamingo was able to keep up with Gear Fourth's speed on multiple occasions, and Law was able to keep pace with Doflamingo in close combat assaults. There's also the fact that Law can take high advantage of the large gaps/hang time in Luffy's Gear Third and Gear Fourth assaults, since he has one of the highest displays of stamina/endurance with how much damage he took in Dressrosa and was able to still keep it pushing.

Lol woah woah woah.. you seem mad about something buddy.

The manga said Urouge took down Snack and the manga also said Luffy brought down Doflamingo..

I'll let you decide what you want to think after that....

Fair point, even Gatz and Dressrosa citizens gave credit to Luffy rather than Law & Luffy. You didn't hear them shouting "our saviors" even though Law played just as big a role.

From now one, I don't wanna see either of you talking about how Garp, Whitebeard, and Roger all fought with each other 1 vs 1. From now on, "Whitebeard matched Roger" and "Garp and Roger almost killed each other" ain't 1 v 1s no more, their crews were involved because we didn't see the fights and what happened in Dressrosa. Let's see how hypocritical you two will be.

 

[Kakashobito]

I dont Know if you Guys Are trolling or if you are serious?!
Man in shonen mangas they give EASY clues about who is the strongest and so on. It's OBVIOUS that Luffy, Law and Kidd are the strongest just by the way the 3 of them were protrayed at Archipelago. So funny how people underestimate Kidd just because he got raped by the strongest guy in one piece(Kaido). Everyone of the supernovas would have got raped like that by him. And also to the people ranking Urouge so high just because he won against the 4th Sweet commander. WHO says that Kidd, Xdrake and all the other Supernovas wouldn't have won again him?! We don't even know how strong he was.