Who said Hiruzen was the strongest???

[Unorthodox]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

exactly...

EMS Madara with Kurama challenges Hiruzen, who wins?
as I recall, Hashirama won that fight, would Hiruzen?

so how does this apply to there fight we seen hiruzen crush hashi wood with ease and beat him plus his brother

 

[MorphyRulez]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Why do you keep using ABC logic? It really shows low level debating skills.

They are just a kids like when they show new powers, it is the best and no-one is able to counter it. It's happening weekly and still they don't get used.

 

[killakader1]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Why do you keep using ABC logic? It really shows low level debating skills.

Ok, well then tell me how Hiru would defeat Hashi, or an instance where he shows uncounted able strength. Your debating skills are incredibly low. Your only argument is "Kishi said so" the base for everybody who thinks Hiru over Hashi is"Kishi said so" come with some real battle statistics

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

so how does this apply to there fight we seen hiruzen crush hashi wood with ease and beat him plus his brother

They were piss poor versions of themselves. Do you not read what everyone says?

-They were toying with Hiruzen
-Orochimaru didn't do anything but stand still
-Where's Tobirama'as S/T?
-Hashi's Flower World Tree?
-When they caught Hiruzen in B.O.D they could have killed him, but instead where smacking him around with Taijutsu?

 

[killakader1]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

On one side we have opinion. On the other we have manga. Now which is more reliable? Not Hashirama's side, that's for sure.

We have an outdated manga page compared to the manga pages that we have now. Now if you compare that battle between Hashi then and what's been said by madar about Hashi power now. Who wins. Also I dont see Hiru being strong enough to change a landscape.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Ok, well then tell me how Hiru would defeat Hashi, or an instance where he shows uncounted able strength. Your debating skills are incredibly low. Your only argument is "Kishi said so" the base for everybody who thinks Hiru over Hashi is"Kishi said so" come with some real battle statistics

And this is why the majority of Hashirama arguments are untrustworthy. Like you just stated;

- My argument stems from what Kishi & the manga has said.
- Yours stems from your personal opinion/assumptions.

It's actually laughable that you think what you say holds any weight in comparison to Kishi's word. Laughable indeed.

 

[killakader1]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

They were piss poor versions of themselves. Do you not read what everyone says?

-They were toying with Hiruzen
-Orochimaru didn't do anything but stand still
-Where's Tobirama'as S/T?
-Hashi's Flower World Tree?
-When they caught Hiruzen in B.O.D they could have killed him, but instead where smacking him around with Taijutsu?

Exactly, that can't even be used as an example because it wasnt even at full strength, had they used full strength it would've been over in less than a minute

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Hashirama is so far above hiruzens level. Hiruzen cant counter the flower tree world. He cant deal a fatal blow to hashirama as he would just heal. Hashirama>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hiruzen

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

They were piss poor versions of themselves. Do you not read what everyone says?

-They were toying with Hiruzen
-Orochimaru didn't do anything but stand still
-Where's Tobirama'as S/T?
-Hashi's Flower World Tree?
-When they caught Hiruzen in B.O.D they could have killed him, but instead where smacking him around with Taijutsu?

+Rep.

 

[Unorthodox]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

They were piss poor versions of themselves. Do you not read what everyone says?

-They were toying with Hiruzen
-Orochimaru didn't do anything but stand still
-Where's Tobirama'as S/T?
-Hashi's Flower World Tree?
-When they caught Hiruzen in B.O.D they could have killed him, but instead where smacking him around with Taijutsu?

please where did oro say toy with him?

kabuto sat back while his edo fight why cant oro?

because thats how they fight smacks and kicks was there style

AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT SAID THEY WAS NOT A FULL POWER PLEASE!!!!!!!!

 

[Enton]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

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Hashirama fans can't counter this. All they can say is 'Oh, Kishi has changed his mind', without actually being able to present evidence suggesting he has. Hiruzen's hype has not been outdone by Hashirama's. Hashirama can be a fairytale, doesn't mean Hiruzen's power is any weaker. That is nonsense logic.

Hashirama fans, stick to your opinion, you probably know more about Kishi's manga than kishi himself. LOL.

 

[killakader1]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

And this is why the majority of Hashirama arguments are untrustworthy. Like you just stated;

- My argument stems from what Kishi & the manga has said.
- Yours stems from your personal opinion/assumptions.

It's actually laughable that you think what you say holds any weight in comparison to Kishi's word. Laughable indeed.

My argument comes straight from the manga. I go off of pure battle strengh presented to me by the manga. Not an opinion from another character in the manga. Sure, it said he was held as god of shinobi and the strongest hokage, yet he Hashi strength was on the level so powerful they believd it was a myth. If he really was the strongest hokage don't you think he would have some kind of significance in the story now?

 

[killakader1]

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Hashirama fans can't counter this. All they can say is 'Oh, Kishi has changed his mind', without actually being able to present evidence suggesting he has. Hiruzen's hype has not been outdone by Hashirama's. Hashirama can be a fairytale, doesn't mean Hiruzen's power is any weaker. That is nonsense logic.

Hashirama fans, stick to your opinion, you probably know more about Kishi's manga than kishi himself. LOL.

Can hiruzen counter flower tree world?

 

[killakader1]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Hashirama is so far above hiruzens level. Hiruzen cant counter the flower tree world. He cant deal a fatal blow to hashirama as he would just heal. Hashirama>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hiruzen

+rep

 

[stoikis]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

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Hashirama fans can't counter this. All they can say is 'Oh, Kishi has changed his mind', without actually being able to present evidence suggesting he has. Hiruzen's hype has not been outdone by Hashirama's. Hashirama can be a fairytale, doesn't mean Hiruzen's power is any weaker. That is nonsense logic.

Hashirama fans, stick to your opinion, you probably know more about Kishi's manga than kishi himself. LOL.

hah this !!!!!

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

please where did oro say toy with him?

kabuto sat back while his edo fight why cant oro?

because thats how they fight smacks and kicks was there style

AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT SAID THEY WAS NOT A FULL POWER PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Dude, stop praising kishi as god and making the manga the bible. Use your head.

Tell me why Oro was just standing there? : Cause he was playing with Hiruzen

Kabuto stood back because he fought the whole Ninja world FFS.

No, they fight by doing overpowered shit not taijutsus, if that were true madara would have beaten hashi since that's " how hashi fights"

Did you not read what I said, by my logic do they not seem like they were not at full power?

In other words Imagine them using all the jutsus we know today, does that not make them full power/ trying?

 

[Netsui]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

This is like a Minato vs Itachi thread...

Minato, we haven't seen all of his techniques. Hashirama, we have not seen all of his techniques.

Hiruzen, we haven't seen his prime.

There's a chance we might see a flashback of the Hashi vs Madara fight. We usually see flashbacks before a character either gets defeated or killed. If I don't see the flashback, then I'm not going to say anything because the manga said that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, and that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi. And those are kind of contradicting each other, so I really can't say much.

 

[Unorthodox]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

My argument comes straight from the manga. I go off of pure battle strengh presented to me by the manga. Not an opinion from another character in the manga. Sure, it said he was held as god of shinobi and the strongest hokage, yet he Hashi strength was on the level so powerful they believd it was a myth. If he really was the strongest hokage don't you think he would have some kind of significance in the story now?

no because he only has one relative konohamaru hashi only being talked about cause madara and tsunade minato was only being talked cause naruto kurama jiraiya and A

if you got straight out the manga you would no hiruzen already defeated senju bros

AND IM STILL WAITING FOR THAT MANGA WHERE IT SAYS THEY WASIT FULL POWER

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

My argument comes straight from the manga. I go off of pure battle strengh presented to me by the manga. Not an opinion from another character in the manga. Sure, it said he was held as god of shinobi and the strongest hokage, yet he Hashi strength was on the level so powerful they believd it was a myth. If he really was the strongest hokage don't you think he would have some kind of significance in the story now?

You speak as though Kishi may not show something of Hiruzen. People always seem to jump on the bandwagon of any powerful character. Kishi went a piss load of chapters without hyping up Hashirama. It may be Hiurzen's turn soon. Who knows? We haven't seen Prime HIruzen. Kishi said he was the strongest. Kishi may bring out some OP moves for Hiruzen which he may choose to show in the manga. It's up to him.

The manga has spoken, i'm going to sit back and just wait for any new information to be revealed. Because, as of now, the manga states Hiruzen to be the strongest. People can have their opinion on this matter but they should just know it is their opinion and it is going against what the manga has stated.

 

[Unorthodox]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Dude, stop praising kishi as god and making the manga the bible. Use your head.

Tell me why Oro was just standing there? : Cause he was playing with Hiruzen

Kabuto stood back because he fought the whole Ninja world FFS.

No, they fight by doing overpowered shit not taijutsus, if that were true madara would have beaten hashi since that's " how hashi fights"

Did you not read what I said, by my logic do they not seem like they were not at full power?

In other words Imagine them using all the jutsus we know today, does that not make them full power/ trying?

WELL AS far as we know mokuton can be only used once in a battle and cost a life if doing so the techs we seen hashi display hiruzen broke them with his staff and you can stand back in watch eod fights that doesnt mean there toying stop assuming and start posting facts look

im still WAITING FOR THE MANGA WHERE THE EDOS WAS SAID TO HOLDING BACK IF YOU CANT POST IT STOP QUOTING ME