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Who said Hiruzen was the strongest???

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  • I Agree Hashirama>Hiruzen

    Votes: 111 62.4%

  • I Disagree Hiruzen>Hashirama

    Votes: 47 26.4%

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Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Enton said:
Thread has been shat on on multiple occasions. There is nothing left to discuss.
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lol dude you're such a fail. I provided a simple, yet concrete argument, and this is all you have to show for. If anything got shat on in this thread it's you. Both characters have been stated to be the strongest in the manga, period. No amount of denial on your part is going to change that.
 
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Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Can anyone tell me where it DIRECTLY states that Hiruzen was the best? Where it says "Hiruzen was the best hokage of all time" All I see in the databook description and the manga are wordings that go as such:

"is called"

"described"

"respected as"

"was said to be"

Now what do they all have in common??? They are written as OPINIONS. I can say that Tiger Woods was the greatest golfer ever. Thus he "was said to be", or was "described" as, or was "respected as", or "was called" the greatest golfer ever. Does that mean he actually was??? No! He might not be. There are many others who could be called the greatest ever, who ARE called the greatest ever. So none of these databook/manga quotes are definitive.
 
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Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

FizzyDrink said:
Can anyone tell me where it DIRECTLY states that Hiruzen was the best? Where it says "Hiruzen was the best hokage of all time" All I see in the databook description and the manga are wordings that go as such:

"is called"

"described"

"respected as"

"was said to be"

Now what do they all have in common??? They are written as OPINIONS. I can say that Tiger Woods was the greatest golfer ever. Thus he "was said to be", or was "described" as, or was "respected as", or "was called" the greatest golfer ever. Does that mean he actually was??? No! He might not be. There are many others who could be called the greatest ever, who ARE called the greatest ever. So none of these databook/manga quotes are definitive.
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Play that game but you better take the EXACT same stance with Hashirama. And don't whip out 'feats' because you've only seen Edo Hashirama, who ironically couldn't even overcome and old Hiruzen.
 
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Re: Clearing up Hiruzen > Hashirama (Simple Version)

You seem to know more than Kishi does about his own manga. You must be a Hashi fan.
 
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Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

Enton said:
Play that game but you better take the EXACT same stance with Hashirama. And don't whip out 'feats' because you've only seen Edo Hashirama, who ironically couldn't even overcome and old Hiruzen.
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I do. If you see any of my other posts on this subject you would see that I just try to defend EVERYONE'S right to an opinion on this topic, and that currently no one can be proven wrong. But most of what I hear is Hiruzen fans saying that the manga has proven beyond a doubt that Hiruzen is stronger, and what I'm saying is that Hashirama defenders actually do have the right to say that Hashirama is stronger. But right now on both sides there are only opinions, no fact based truth.

By the way, on the Edo Hashirama front, the truth is that Orochimaru most likely did not know the full extent of Hashirama's power and so didn't use it (remember Orochimaru was in full control so all Hashirama could do was fight to the extent of Oro's knowledge). Also, Oro was literally just playing with Hiruzen. By the time bringer of darkness was in effect, they could have EASILY killed Hiruzen. So that battle can't be used as factual evidence for either side.
 
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Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

killakader1 said:
Plzzz, u gotta come with a better feat than Hiru fighting to WACK ass edo that barely used any techniques! And so what if Kishi said that. He also hasn't presented me eith any real proof to make me believe that Hiru over Hashi. Hiru hasn't even been mentioned during this entire war! If he was that great, no matter how old he should've been able to subdue the nine tailed fox ago, and he would've been able to beat oro without using a fvckin KAMIKAZE jutsu
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I don't care they use or not, they were wack or not? Simply He defeated them by your logic(NEED PROOF NEED PROOF). How could you know these better than Kishi you are still saying same thing, kishi didn't know, Kishi Doesn't care about Hashi Fanboys for make them it believe. Get it? Again I don't care how could he beated Orochimaru. He knew all konoha jutsus. And you can not compare with Kurama. It is really different story. Capturing or Fighting against Bujii is another thing + he was in 69 when kurama attacked. You can not say anything for Hiruzen's prime because you didn't see anything only kishi knows this and kishi says Hiruzen is the strongest.




Seraphiel said:
The Manga clearly states that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage during his prime. The reason you people don't want to believe that is because if Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, then that is very likely to make him stronger than Madara as well. Madara himself admitted that Hashirama was still able to defeat him.

You people think that his Susano'o is invincible, though Hashirama was still able to defeat it. Uchihas are not the only ones with great power and techniques. Hashirama was also a direct descendant of the SO6P; he must also have very strong techs. Just because we have never seen all of his techs, does not that he doesn't have one more powerful than Susano'o.

The same goes for Hiruzen. Just because he's not an Uchiha or never showed powerful techs, does not mean that he doesn't have something powerful do defeat Hashirama or Madara.

It baffles me on how closed-minded and stupid you people really are. For god sakes... just ****ing think and stop acting like ****ing babies!
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Some Fanboys or Kids never get this. They want to see just insane level DBZ jutsus.
 
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