Who mastered their dojutsu more?

[Bronze]

Obito did that. Controlling a biju isn't a feat. It's stated all throughout the manga the two ways to control a biju.
Wood style and Sharingan.
He was most likely born with a straight tomoe. Sasuke also has this and isn't as experienced with the Sharingan as him.

As far as seeing the clones, that could be mastery over it but he doesn't outclass Itachi like you stated.

Obito achieved that after he was trained by Madara himself. So get that nonsense of it not being a great feat, when the Shinobi world respected Madara's legendary for that feat. Itachi believed that you need Mangekyou to achieve control over the Kyuubi, but he was proven wrong; meaning he himself lacked knowledge and potential. So yes, Madara outclasses Itachi.​

 

[Sound]

XD No. The scan said MS is needed to control biju. It didn't say "Itachi as an individula needs MS to control a biju"

And Madara and Obito both possessed MS when they controlled Kuruma.

It's possible that once you've awakened MS you can control a biju, not needing to actually activate MS.

I'll better go with the manga than with some made up speculations.​

 

[shelke]

Ha lol

First off Sasuke mastered it quicker than both since he literally only had his EMS for 2 days. Itachi never obtained PS and needs to charge amaterasu for a while in order to cast it unlike Sasuke.

Sasuke can even manipulate amaterasu to create different shapes with it.

Itachi also gets backlash from his Sharingan techniques.

Neither Madara, Sasuke, nor Obito get backlash and they make techniques on a much larger scale than Itachi has ever achieved.

Obito probably didn't have any backlash because of Hashirama cells. I agree with rest of the post. Sasuke mastered his skills the quickest. This base just likes putting him down.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Madara of course, he lived the longest with his Sharingan and he outclasses Itachi

 

[Ashura San]

I'll better go with the manga than with some made up speculations.​

But I'm not disagreeing with the manga. Lol you're saying your scan says Itachi needs MS when Sasuke is speakin in general. Not about Itachi specifically

 

[Sound]

But I'm not disagreeing with the manga. Lol you're saying your scan says Itachi needs MS when Sasuke is speakin in general. Not about Itachi specifically

Itachi says :"You actually listened to me" in the next panel
His insight and potential ended there, he had no skill into doing it without a MS

Read the manga from time to time .​

 

[Lightbringer]

But guess what they all had in common that Itachi doesnt have? Well first off Hashi cells and handed powers with barely any training. Madara displayed no jutsu with is ms, only after his brothers death did he pull out susano, Sasuke has the most given upgrade in shippuden... Kabuto was litterally pumping upgrades into him, Obitos MS was triggered by Madara and he was handed powers by Madara. They never mastered their eyes, they got help. Guess who gave Sasuke his biggest upgrade? No ems = no Rinnegan or sharinnegan

Madara has been training all of his life; a lot longer and harder than Itachi.

Madara literally had to die in order to obtain Hashi cells. That's not being handed an upgrade, that's working for one.

Also Hashi cells only grant Mokuton and Ashura's chakra which only lets one awaken the rinnegan if they possess Indra's chakra.

They don't enhance jutsu or stamina.




Please explain to me how Itachi mastered his eyes over Madara and Sasuke because he didn't. He has a basic Amaterasu and an incomplete Susanoo.

-Both Sasuke and Madara achieved the pinnacle of the Susanoo by learning how to stabilize its chakra. That's mastery right there.

-Sasuke learned how to morph amaterasu to different shapes and sizes. That's mastering a technique.

-They both also can change the shape of a Susanoo in order for it to envelope other objects/beings. That's mastery.



Itachi never mastered the sharingan.