Who is the worst Hokage

[Melanin]

Impossible.

Try again.

In the real world yeah but in this fictional series it's not.

Shall I go on?

 

[Guntah]

Every solution had its flaws, but sitting down and expect people to get along and expect their cooperation to be gained in time is pathetic. It's human nature to cause conflict. You can only prevent such things for a certain amount of time. Still, Sasuke's way of viewing things were more realistic in a sense of way, since he could stand in the shadows and watch everything the world would plan, that alone would give him the slight edge. Every move, every step, every drip of blood and every piece of intelligence would be watched in its shadow. Naruto did absolutely nothing in the reign he ruled, given that the previous Kage already established a proper peace agreement and the cooperation of shinori long before Naruto stepped in. His so called "accomplishment" and idealism wasn't even established by himself.

How is Sasuke's plan any more realistic? He is basically promoting another revolution by tuning himself into the ultimate dictator. He wants people to hate him more and more and more but he does not want them to rebel and start a war over it? The Shinobi system might be flawed, but Sasuke's plan is just bullshit. At best, it will only slow down the pace at which wars happen while making everyone's life a living hell.

 

[JStar King]

Sasuke's solution would not have worked...BECAUSE ITS NOT A SOLUTION.

Sasuke wants to pull off an extreme dictatorship on the entirety of the five nations as a leader and wants to make everyone's life a constant living hell for the sole purpose of everyone hating him. He is the sole enemy everyone hates. He knows how the system works, sure, but Sasuke does not know how people work. His solution in itself is self-contradictory. He wants to have the wars stop by creating a system of dictatorship with the sole purpose of having people get mad at him.

Tell me now, what happens when a group of people get unsatisfied at their leader and their current political regime?


A revolution.

Sasuke is not stopping war, he is just making it so everyone wages war against HIM....which is not even a proper fight, because he would just murder everybody easily. And it would happen again and again and again and again, because people do not learn. You might think they do, but they don't, and sooner or later, they forget what happened last time someone rebelled and war begins again.

Criticise Naruto's belief of the Shinobi's system all you want, but Sasuke's idea of remaining as a dictator forever is just stupid.

Sasuke's Revolution is a solution. He wanted to sacrifice himself to become the new common enemy, so the villages could stay united as one as he works to keep them that way in the Shadows.

And it's not a dictatorship. It's kind of like Lelouch's Regime in Code Geass.

Naruto's goal for peace, believing that Fairy Tail friendship is the way, is the reason why he has failed, proving Sasuke and Madara right in the process. Naruto's goals are nothing, but a clichéd mess, which is expected since he's a cliché Shounen Protagonist.

Get real. History will always repeat itself, which is why Hagoromo, Ashura, Hashirama, and Naruto have all failed including those who succeeded them and carried on their delusions (Hurizen, Tsunade, and Tobirama)

The world will never change in the series, because Naruto aka The Child of Prophecy cannot wake up and still acts naïve to how the world really works. And that is why after him and Sasuke are dead, the world will just continue to fight and history will just keep repeating itself over and over and over again:

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Stop being such a Liberal. After all, the Great Told Sage did say that the Child of Prophecy would either.....Bring true peace or be the world's destruction.

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[lndra]

Naruto brings peace in the World for like 15 years and a punk ass comes and destroys the Village and that means he 'failed' lmao. It's hard to write off ideologies when a contributing factor could be skill/jutsu/technology here.

If Kawaki for instance is stronger than Naruto, through what-ever means. Then no matter his path, he would lose. If Sasuke went along with this revolution, and if another Kawaki was present in his time, challenged Sasuke, and defeated him. Would you blame it entirely on his ideology, or rather the generation that follows closing the gap?

In any way, stating that Naruto is the worse Kage, when he's done more harm than good, is rather odd. I'd wait for the facts before completely judging Naruto as a failure.

For all we know he could of sacrificed himself for the Village, resulting in Kawaki destroying it because Naruto allowed himself get KO'd for the sake of his people.

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade no doubt. She shouldnt have been in that seat in first place.

She let jirayia go fight Pain when she should have gone there
Couldnt stop Pain
No actions against Akatsuki
No actions against Orochimaru
I think she was in love with that Hokage Seat.(probably used Leaf's money on gambling aswell)

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• Sending out Naruto and crew to save Gaara from Akatsuki(Konoha being the only village to answer Suna's call for help) is not an action against them. K.
• Sending out Naruto and crew to investigate Orochimaru and Sasuke is not an action against Oro. K.

 

[Ricardo]

How is Sasuke's plan any more realistic? He is basically promoting another revolution by tuning himself into the ultimate dictator. He wants people to hate him more and more and more but he does not want them to rebel and start a war over it? The Shinobi system might be flawed, but Sasuke's plan is just bullshit. At best, it will only slow down the pace at which wars happen while making everyone's life a living hell.

This isn't a democracy and it isn't a dictatorship either. It's actions that must be done for the greater good. People might not like certain political leaders but they might appreciate their efforts to stop massive bloodshed, wars and heavy violence, i think that's where Kishimoto got inspired or generated this idea from Lelouch from code geass, which his concept of peace was similar to Sasuke's, flawed, but functional to a certain degree. As i said before, every system is flawed but the number of time that this peace will remain on is limited and varies between each system. The only ones that decide to rebel and not have a normal basic life are bandits who want to shatter that fraction and the concept of peace.
In short, there is no rebellion as long as everything is being watched and organized. He who dares to rebel shall be slaughtered for the greater good.

 

[Guntah]

Sasuke's Revolution is a solution. He wanted to sacrifice himself to become the new common enemy, so the villages could stay united as one as he works to keep them that way in the Shadows.

And it's not a dictatorship. It's kind of like Lelouch's Regime in Code Geass.

Naruto's goal for peace, believing that Fairy Tail friendship is the way, is the reason why he has failed, proving Sasuke and Madara right in the process. Naruto's goals are nothing, but a clichéd mess, which is expected since he's a cliché Shounen Protagonist.

Get real. History will always repeat itself, which is why Hagoromo, Ashura, Hashirama, and Naruto have all failed including those who succeeded them and carried on their delusions (Hurizen, Tsunade, and Tobirama)

The world will never change in the series, because Naruto aka The Child of Prophecy cannot wake up and still acts naïve to how the world really works. And that is why after him and Sasuke are dead, the world will just continue to fight and history will just keep repeating itself over and over and over again:
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That disproves nothing. Sasuke literally says, "I will become an enemy to everyone." I never watched Code Geass, but I know that in the end Lelouch died or at least faked his death for the greater good....Sasuke planned on becoming a ruler tormenting everyone so they would hate him FOREVER.

How does that in anyway sound like a sane solution to you? Sure, the Shinobi System is flawed, but Sasuke literally is trying to make everyone's lives a living hell so they would hate him.

At best, I'll give you that, this system might slow down the rate at which the wars happen. That's it.

 

[JStar King]

This isn't a democracy and it isn't a dictatorship either. It's actions that must be done for the greater good. People might not like certain political leaders but they might appreciate their efforts to stop massive bloodshed, wars and heavy violence. As i said before, every system is flawed but the number of time that this peace will remain on is limited and varies between each system. The only ones that decide to rebel and not have a normal basic life are bandits who want to shatter that fraction and the concept of peace.
In short, there is no rebellion as long as everything is being watched and organized. He who dares to rebel shall be slaughtered for the greater good.

That's what I'm trying to explain!

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The Shinobi System needs to changed for the greater good and Sasuke had that in mind, so the world could be united and become peaceful. But did Naruto support it. No, he just acted like any old cliché Shounen protagonist who believes friendship and love is the way.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke didn't want to physically make everyone's life a living Hell, but he wanted to kill everyone of the past (namely the Gokage/Bijuu) - Whilst making sure the entire World was in check.

He was basically doing what Sinbad from Magi is doing, but without the extra fluff. He was going to become 'God' of Earth, casting a shadow on all the souls that live in the planet, making plenty sure that no one would cause violence among each other.

Basically his whole idea was to be a giant babysitter to the world. /rofl

 

[Guntah]

This isn't a democracy and it isn't a dictatorship either. It's actions that must be done for the greater good. People might not like certain political leaders but they might appreciate their efforts to stop massive bloodshed, wars and heavy violence. As i said before, every system is flawed but the number of time that this peace will remain on is limited and varies between each system. The only ones that decide to rebel and not have a normal basic life are bandits who want to shatter that fraction and the concept of peace.
In short, there is no rebellion as long as everything is being watched and organized. He who dares to rebel shall be slaughtered for the greater good.

Sasuke literally says he would try to make himself as everyone's enemies. I understand people not liking certain political leaders, but Sasuke literally said, "I will make everybody hate me." The only way I can see this not breaking out in war is if it eventually develops into a Orwellian dystopia...which at that point you might as well have a war going on, because shit, things aren't getting much worse from there.

 

[Booker]

In the real world yeah but in this fictional series it's not.

Shall I go on?

It doesn't even have evidence for it in this fictional world though lol.

 

[Detonator99]

As soon as you quoted me and i saw your name, i knew you were going to reply something retarded.

Meaning you were going to deny either way got it.

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Show me where does it says that the village are in war.

Why did you just assume that Kawaki is an alien ?

-he never showed up in the manga neither when boruto and the rest were kids
- Wasn't in the chunin exams
-Has the same set of sage powers as boruto (Boruto is realated to hagoromo and hamura through bloodline)
-Can destroy the village While two god tiers are there (Pretty much sums up that he also its god tier and we know for a fact only otsutsuki's or people with relations to the sage can get to that level.

Even if the translation is wrong, Naruto clearly said something positive or praised to the man who murdered his parents in cold blood, attacked and killed a lot of his comrades and the one who's entirely responsible for the entire mess of a childhood that he had.

In the VIZ he stated that he had implyed the obito that tryed to became hokage not the one who tryed to kill him (since he pretty much saw all of obito's memory) and don't get twisted with his character that doesn't mean that he had forgived obito because he still stated that he would still punish him for his crimes, even minato wouldn't have accepted if it went the other way.

I'm not a Naruto hater but i don't particularly like his character. I just view him as a typical cliché main shounen male lead.

Fine by me but just make shure not to bring false things about the character just because you simply "dislike the character".

 

[HENI]

The worst Hokage is Hiruzen.

 

[patrickscott]

Does that really put him underneath Tsunade...who actually had the village destroyed in her reign without being able to do anything? Naruto at least saved it once before it all went to shit, but Tsunade actually had to rely on who else but Naruto to clean up her mess.

Look it was a cycle of reliance that is what the entire shinobi world was about. One ninja having to rely on another or tailed beast or kekkei genkai or wtf ever. Naruto relied on kurama, Sasuke relied on his eyes, Sakura relied on her byakugou, So breaking the cycle of reliance wouldn't have stop with either of their resolves it needed both.

 

[Guntah]

Look it was a cycle of reliance that is what the entire shinobi world was about. One ninja having to rely on another or tailed beast or kekkei genkai or wtf ever. Naruto relied on kurama, Sasuke relied on his eyes, Sakura relied on her byakugou, So breaking the cycle of reliance wouldn't have stop with either of their resolves it needed both.

....does that make Naruto a worse Hokage dou?

 

[patrickscott]

....does that make Naruto a worse Hokage dou?

Yes because that blonde haired idiot had no excuse to lose with the power he has access to and no fan can deny that. Unlike Tsunade who people say was the worst it's obvious that she wouldn't have the offensive arsenal as a medical ninja first to defend the hidden leaf. Naruto on the other hand can ask kurama to call meetings with the tailed beasts if he needs more power so again. No excuse for the ****ery of chapter one in boruto going back to my point.

 

[Guntah]

Yes because that blonde haired idiot had no excuse to lose with the power he has access to and no fan can deny that. Unlike Tsunade who people say was the worst it's obvious that she wouldn't have the offensive arsenal as a medical ninja first to defend the hidden leaf. Naruto on the other hand can ask kurama to call meetings with the tailed beasts if he needs more power so again. No excuse for the ****ery of chapter one in boruto going back to my point.

I can, actually...and I will. What the hell is that based on? We have no idea what happened to Naruto or what his situation was. Chances are, the big threat might be something even bigger than Kaguya. Wouln't be that farfetched at this point anyway. So saying Naruto has no excuse without knowing what he was facing or what happened to him....bullshit.

 

[lndra]

Yes because that blonde haired idiot had no excuse to lose with the power he has access to and no fan can deny that. Unlike Tsunade who people say was the worst it's obvious that she wouldn't have the offensive arsenal as a medical ninja first to defend the hidden leaf. Naruto on the other hand can ask kurama to call meetings with the tailed beasts if he needs more power so again. No excuse for the ****ery of chapter one in boruto going back to my point.

Just like Naruto had no excuse to sacrifice himself for the sake of the remaining people in the surrounding area when Momoshiki launched the giant Tailed Beast Bomb at them, despite being a blonde haired idiot who had access to all of Kurama's power (and the Bijuu's if he wanted to?).

 

[patrickscott]

Just like Naruto had no excuse to sacrifice himself for the sake of the remaining people in the surrounding area when Momoshiki launched the giant Tailed Beast Bomb at them, despite being a blonde haired idiot who had access to all of Kurama's power (and the Bijuu's if he wanted to?).

That was a stadium, This is the village. Get with the program.

I can, actually...and I will. What the hell is that based on? We have no idea what happened to Naruto or what his situation was. Chances are, the big threat might be something even bigger than Kaguya. Wouln't be that farfetched at this point anyway. So saying Naruto has no excuse without knowing what he was facing or what happened to him....bullshit.

I base it on the first 5 pages of boruto manga. Maybe it was instanteneous destruction like pain, maybe it was something else either way it's on him all day everyday that's the responsiblity the hokage has to face back to my point he chose it and wanted it from birth without realizing the gravitiy of what it entails at all times. So back to my point it's still on him and he's still the most capable of all hokages to defend konoha.

 

[Ricardo]

Meaning you were going to deny either way got it.



Show me where does it says that the village are in war.

-he never showed up in the manga neither when boruto and the rest were kids
- Wasn't in the chunin exams
-Has the same set of sage powers as boruto (Boruto is realated to hagoromo and hamura through bloodline)
-Can destroy the village While two god tiers are there (Pretty much sums up that he also its god tier and we know for a fact only otsutsuki's or people with relations to the sage can get to that level.


In the VIZ he stated that he had implyed the obito that tryed to became hokage not the one who tryed to kill him (since he pretty much saw all of obito's memory) and don't get twisted with his character that doesn't mean that he had forgived obito because he still stated that he would still punish him for his crimes, even minato wouldn't have accepted if it went the other way.


Fine by me but just make shure not to bring false things about the character just because you simply "dislike the character".

>Meaning you were going to deny either way got it.

No, i just happen to be here for a long period of time and i know who's sane and who's retarded.

Show me where does it says that the village are in war.

Already did.

-he never showed up in the manga neither when boruto and the rest were kids
- Wasn't in the chunin exams
-Has the same set of sage powers as boruto (Boruto is realated to hagoromo and hamura through bloodline)
-Can destroy the village While two god tiers are there (Pretty much sums up that he also its god tier and we know for a fact only otsutsuki's or people with relations to the sage can get to that level.

So even if he is an alien which i highly doubt, i'm going to assume he's a lab rat, the Hokage is sworn to protect its village and its ideals. If someone, or something opposes those rights and ideals, the Hokage must step in and stop them at once, which was not the case here. I don't know why you keep bringing this unnecessary topic.

Fine by me but just make shure not to bring false things about the character just because you simply "dislike the character".

I didn't bring up false things about the character, he failed to the purpose of what he wanted to become the most. That's just your ideology of not standing criticism, his character is highly flawed, same as almost every main male shounen lead. There are no perfect characters, but we as the reader can judge how bad they can and cannot be.