Who is the worst Hokage

[Vulpini]

Naruto and Hiruzen are the worst

Also, why so many threads about this?

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Worst hokages were tobirama and hiruzen

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

how many damm times has this thread been made now?

 

[Ricardo]

So do you actually think Sasuke's revolution bullshit would've worked as properly as it was advertised to? Maybe it would have lasted for longer than what Naruto promoted, but by no means would it be a better solution. Hell, probably the only "perfect" solution in here was Madara's, and even that has the whole "turning into Zetsu" factor thrown in. No solution was perfect, and there is no perfect solution. The fact that Naruto's one failed to work in the end just shows as much.

Every solution had its flaws, but sitting down and expect people to get along and expect their cooperation to be gained in time is pathetic. It's human nature to cause conflict. You can only prevent such things for a certain amount of time. Still, Sasuke's way of viewing things were more realistic in a sense of way, since he could stand in the shadows and watch everything the world would plan, that alone would give him the slight edge. Every move, every step, every drip of blood and every piece of intelligence would be watched in its shadow. Naruto did absolutely nothing in the reign he ruled, given that the previous Kage already established a proper peace agreement and the cooperation of shinori long before Naruto stepped in. His so called "accomplishment" and idealism wasn't even established by himself.

 

[UnknownJin]

Idk why people are picking Tsunade, She protected her village, it was her forefather except her actual forefather (Hashirama) that ****ed shit up.
Tobirama was the worst, he caused everything, from the Uchiha to Orochimaru

Tobirama was the worst Hokage

 

[Detonator99]

I'm gonna say Naruto. I would say Tsunade but ****ing up a village is one thing, ****ing up the whole shinobi world is another.

Lmao what? when was the shinobi world destroyed? when did the country's started a conflict between each others again? I think you people are getting the wrong idea again as to who was attacking konoha.

I don't need assumptions. He's ideals are cliché, unrealistic and selfish. It was expected that something like this would've happen to his system.

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What system!? Are you really that blind to the point o thinking that kawaki belongs in the shinobi world? that guy had sage powers he was never shown in the manga before or even in the village witch means he doesn't belong in the planet he is probably just an alien like the Ōtsutsukis.

As long the countrys are not in war then naruto's plan to bring peace around the world remains intact.

Who else but the one who called Obito the coolest guy...

Uses fan translation for justification as to why naruto is a terrible hokage typical naruto hater.

 

[JStar King]

So do you actually think Sasuke's revolution bullshit would've worked as properly as it was advertised to? Maybe it would have lasted for longer than what Naruto promoted, but by no means would it be a better solution. Hell, probably the only "perfect" solution in here was Madara's, and even that has the whole "turning into Zetsu" factor thrown in. No solution was perfect, and there is no perfect solution. The fact that Naruto's one failed to work in the end just shows as much.

Sasuke's Revolution would've worked, because he knew why the world was united and he knew how screwed up the Shinobi system was.

Naruto still supported the Shinobi despite knowing the dark truth about it, including what happened to the Uchiha. But did he decide to make it his goal to change it.....nope! He instead, believes that the Shinobi system could still exist while also believing that friendship was the key to true peace.

That is why Ashura and Hagoromo will always fail and they did, because this happened:

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I bet you that Hagoromo is facepalming on the other side seeing this.

On the other hand, Sasuke's plans would've worked and bring great change that would evolve into a peaceful world. Why:

1.) Because Sasuke knew people would continue to maliciously seek the Bijuu's power. And was he wrong? Because I'm pretty sure this guy proved Sasuke right.....

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2.) Sasuke knew that the only reason why the villages were united was because.....They had a common enemy! Sasuke wanted to become that common enemy allowing the villages to stay united. Sasuke was willing to sacrifice himself while working behind the shadows, which he is still doing to this very day in the manga.

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3.) The previous 5 Kage were not innocent. They failed and Gaara isn't innocent too. He was murderous psychopath and him di*kriding Naruto doesn't make him no better.


However, I did not agree with him wanting to kill Naruto. Although, I understood why Sasuke wanted too, because Naruto would never understand him and would just support the same old system, which is why Naruto has failed as the Hokage.

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

Every solution had its flaws, but sitting down and expect people to get along and expect their cooperation to be gained in time is pathetic. It's human nature to cause conflict. You can only prevent such things for a certain amount of time. Still, Sasuke's way of viewing things were more realistic in a sense of way, since he could stand in the shadows and watch everything the world would plan, that alone would give him the slight edge. Every move, every step, every drip of blood and every piece of intelligence would be watched in its shadow. Naruto did absolutely nothing in the reign he ruled, given that the previous Kage already established a proper peace agreement and the cooperation of shinori long before Naruto stepped in. His so called "accomplishment" and idealism wasn't even established by himself.

I can already see what Sasuke would done. It would be terrible and full of blood and all in the name of Greater good. Not to say that Sasuke would in the end need to kill everyone and mainly himself. If Power corrupts then absolute power corrupts absolutely. He would end as madman preaching one thing and all who would disagree would get killed. That is like cult work, not society.

 

[Excite]

you know you just said naruto > itachi ?

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[Melanin]

Worst Hokage: Tsnuade or Danzo

Best Hokage: Hiruzen

Whah? Tsunade was a great Hokage IMO. She made rational firm decisions, challenged the her elders, kept Danzo in his place (underground), always put the village first and absolutely held down the mantle of Hokage when battling Madara. Oppose to Hiruzen who: was manipulated by his peers, allowed the Uchiha clan to be ostracized, allowed his peers to pressure him, didn't act against Orochimaru until he attacked the village years later and didn't reprimand Danzo for any of his wrong doings.

 

[Ricardo]

Lmao what? when was the shinobi world destroyed? when did the country's started a conflict between each others again? I think you people are getting the wrong idea again as to who was attacking konoha.

What system!? Are you really that blind to the point o thinking that kawaki belongs in the shinobi world? that guy had sage powers he was never shown in the manga before or even in the village witch means he doesn't belong in the planet he is probably just an alien like the Ōtsutsukis.

As long the countrys are not in war then naruto naruto plan to bring peace around the world remains intact.


Uses fan translation for justification as to why naruto is a terrible hokage typical naruto hater.

As soon as you quoted me and i saw your name, i knew you were going to reply something retarded.

>Lmao what? when was the shinobi world destroyed? when did the country's started a conflict between each others again? I think you people are getting the wrong idea again as to who was attacking konoha.

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>What system!? Are you really that blind to the point o thinking that kawaki belongs in the shinobi world? that guy had sage powers he was never shown in the manga before or even in the village witch means he doesn't belong in the planet he is probably just an alien like the Ōtsutsukis.

As long the countrys are not in war then naruto naruto plan to bring peace around the world remains intact.

Why did you just assume that Kawaki is an alien ?

>Uses fan translation for justification as to why naruto is a terrible hokage typical naruto hater.

Even if the translation is wrong, Naruto clearly said something positive or praised to the man who murdered his parents in cold blood, attacked and killed a lot of his comrades and the one who's entirely responsible for the entire mess of a childhood that he had.
I'm not a Naruto hater but i don't particularly like his character. I just view him as a typical cliché main shounen male lead.

 

[Booker]

Show me a perfect method for peace, and I'll show you the Unicorn I have hidden in my basement.

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

Show me a perfect method for peace, and I'll show you the Unicorn I have hidden in my basement.

Kill everybody and even then Nature will still fight. Conflict is Natural. Hell its part of evolution.

 

[Genocide]

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yeah but you just said strongest hokage = naruto

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

Manga facts man 2 times when Itachi solo'd Naruto

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By your logic we should expect fifteen years old kid fighting against someone who is older and have more battle experience ? I would say something different if it was both of them at their prime but something like is stupid like ****.

 

[JStar King]

In response to my previous post, let me continue. This guy explains Sasuke's Revolution perfectly while comparing him to Emperor Qin, who unified China:

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"The first thing that comes to mind when discussing Sasuke's revolution' plan is the 'Unification of China'. Before I lose everyone, this is an important time in history that directly relates to Naruto so let me explain; ancient China was split into 7 states, one state was called 'Qin'. The emperor of Qin believed in one nation, he believe in an end to war, he wanted a country of peace. However to get the peace you must first use force and war to achieve said 'peace'. This is almost exactly the same as Naruto where there are neighboring countries (states), Kage (emperors), and militarized army's. To me Sasuke sounds like the previous emperor of Qin. Sasuke and the leader of Qin both had the resolve to kill in order to gain peace."

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[Guntah]

Sasuke's Revolution would've worked, because he knew why the world was united and he knew how screwed up the Shinobi system was.

Naruto still supported the Shinobi despite knowing the dark truth about it, including what happened to the Uchiha. But did he decide to make it his goal to change it.....nope! He instead, believes that the Shinobi system could still exist while also believing that friendship was the key to true peace.

That is why Ashura and Hagoromo will always fail and they did, because this happened:

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I bet you that Hagoromo is facepalming on the other side seeing this.

On the other hand, Sasuke's plans would've worked and bring great change that would evolve into a peaceful world. Why:

1.) Because Sasuke knew people would continue to maliciously seek the Bijuu's power. And was he wrong? Because I'm pretty sure this guy proved Sasuke right.....

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2.) Sasuke knew that the only reason why the villages were united was because.....They had a common enemy! Sasuke wanted to become that common enemy allowing the villages to stay united. Sasuke was willing to sacrifice himself while working behind the shadows, which he is still doing to this very day in the manga.

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3.) The previous 5 Kage were not innocent. They failed and Gaara isn't innocent too. He was murderous psychopath and him di*kriding Naruto doesn't make him no better.


However, I did not agree with him wanting to kill Naruto. Although, I understood why Sasuke wanted too, because Naruto would never understand him and would just support the same old system, which is why Naruto has failed as the Hokage.

Sasuke's solution would not have worked...BECAUSE ITS NOT A SOLUTION.

Sasuke wants to pull off an extreme dictatorship on the entirety of the five nations as a leader and wants to make everyone's life a constant living hell for the sole purpose of everyone hating him. He is the sole enemy everyone hates. He knows how the system works, sure, but Sasuke does not know how people work. His solution in itself is self-contradictory. He wants to have the wars stop by creating a system of dictatorship with the sole purpose of having people get mad at him.

Tell me now, what happens when a group of people get unsatisfied at their leader and their current political regime?

A revolution.

Sasuke is not stopping war, he is just making it so everyone wages war against HIM....which is not even a proper fight, because he would just murder everybody easily. And it would happen again and again and again and again, because people do not learn. You might think they do, but they don't, and sooner or later, they forget what happened last time someone rebelled and war begins again.

Criticise Naruto's belief of the Shinobi's system all you want, but Sasuke's idea of remaining as a dictator forever is just stupid.

 

[Melanin]

Show me a perfect method for peace, and I'll show you the Unicorn I have hidden in my basement.

Perfect peace? Total control over anything and everything that can make its own decisions, has a conscious, can comprehend or is subject too cause/effect.

Sidenote: I've always wanted a pony

 

[Detonator99]

Sasuke's Revolution would've worked, because he knew why the world was united and he knew how screwed up the Shinobi system was.

No it wouldn't sasuke's mistake was for thinking that he was the strongest there was completing neglecting that there was probably another person who could be at the same level as kaguya cough cough momoshiki...

Naruto still supported the Shinobi despite knowing the dark truth about it, including what happened to the Uchiha. But did he decide to make it his goal to change it.....nope! He instead, believes that the Shinobi system could still exist while also believing that friendship was the key to true peace.

Dude... the uchihas were all wiped :lol along with the people who were responsible for it naruto naruto had better things to do then worrying with those ghost like actually changing the hyuga clan and maintening peace and unity around the village and also making shure it gets passed from generation to generation.

That is why Ashura and Hagoromo will always fail and they did, because this happened:

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The village was wiped out by aliens, so what? it can still be reconstructed by the people because its going to get saved by boruto who also inherited naruto's will.

I bet you that Hagoromo is facepalming on the other side seeing this.

Meanwhile i am facepalming myself for the level of misconceptions that you people had all this time.

On the other hand, Sasuke's plans would've worked and bring great change that would evolve into a peaceful world. Why:

No it wouldn't

1.) Because Sasuke knew people would continue to maliciously seek the Bijuu's power. And was he wrong? Because I'm pretty sure this guy proved Sasuke right.....

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What? an alien? momoshiki was going to do it either way being with naruto or sasuke lel.

2.) Sasuke knew that the only reason why the villages were united was because.....They had a common enemy! Sasuke wanted to become that common enemy allowing the villages to stay united. Sasuke was willing to sacrifice himself while working behind the shadows, which he is still doing to this very day in the manga.

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Wrong sasuke is a dude who only showed up right at the end of the war he din't experienced that change that had occurred, because if you remember right before the five kage had engaged madara Onoki stated that at first there goals was only to defeat madara but then it changed the reason for the shinobi war was so they could attain something diferent.

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3.) The previous 5 Kage were not innocent. They failed and Gaara isn't innocent too. He was murderous psychopath and him di*kriding Naruto doesn't make him no better.

Nobody is innocent lol but that doesn't mean they din't change for the best.


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[Booker]

Perfect peace? Total control over anything and everything that can make its own decisions, has a conscious, can comprehend or is subject too cause/effect.

Sidenote: I've always wanted a pony

Impossible.

Try again.