Who is the best in Genjutsu?

[Frikid]

Bullshit...Argument is Bullshit , the Bijuu won't even Know his Jinchuricki is Genjutsued.

I was talking about tsukiyomi as a whole and not itachi's tsukiyomi.

But you pointed it out correctly, itachi's tsukiyomi can indeed defeat even a jinchuriki unless proved otherwise by kishi.
But its not going to end the way you are thinking...

If itachi manages to cast tsukiyomi on a perfect jinchuriki and makes it unconscious , still the biijju can take possession of the human body and defeat him.
It took Itachi alot of chakra and he had to run immediately, which means he was not in condition to fight after using MS.

Itachi says that the MS gives its user the ability to gain control over kyuubi.
And also perfect jinchuriki are immune to genjutsu.

Now i want to say why obito(assuming the fact that he controlled yagura) is best genjutsu user.

Obito managed to gain control over kurama in 3t sharingan. A feat no one has ever achieved . Not only that, he also fought minato, the 4th hokage and controlled kyubbi simultaneously which is a quite big achievement as, itachi was always immobile whenever he used his genjutsu, which means he never moved an inch while performing genjutsu or lets say tsukiyomi for convenience (since he genjutsu'd kabuto pretty good) .
Also itachi never was able to gain control over kurama, and even if he could, he could never be able to do it with 3t sharingan, but guess what? obito did it with 3t sharingan, so who is better now ?

Obito also controlled yagura, who was said to be a perfect jinchuriki.
This is also a remarkable feat, because he controlled two living beings. And that too for a long period of time. And not to forget he did it in 3t sharingan only.
Even a basic tsukiyomi couldn't do that and it also uses up alot of chakra.

so obito managed to some stuff with 3t, which is even difficult to do with MS.

That is why i think he is the best.

Also both of the points can be used for madara also.
As he fought hashirama while controlling kyuubi and minato the genius confused obito with madara.

 

[genii96]

Tobi is first,he controlled a perfect jin and kurama with jist his normal sharingan.

Danzo comes next,as he can use KA every 10 minutes.

 

[Sexy Steel]

@Blaze Release nice explanation as always but what makes you believe that Itachi is the only one who can use Izanami? Don't you think it's highly possible that Shisui could use Izanami also since it's a common Uchiha technique? What makes you also believe that Shisui couldn't use genjutsu outside of his sharingan? Like i've said we only say Itachi is better because he has shown it. Shisui has basically no screentime to be able to say what he can or not, but by hype, Kishimoto clearly stated that he was the best genjutsu user in Uchiha clan

that's like saying prime hiruzen > madara because he is the god of shinobi

 

[-Logic-]

Blah blah blah all your posts are worthless.

It's funny how no-one has bothered to dare to counter Blaze Release's post.

I win.

And Itachi is the best Genjutsu user ever. Deal with it.

 

[Uxellius]

Shisui his KA is OP

 

[Bogard]

that's like saying prime hiruzen > madara because he is the god of shinobi

At least between Hiruzen and Madara there are feat comparison, and eventhen nothing proves that Madara could survive the God of Death. Anyway Shisui has 0feats so i find it kind of funny to state that Itachi is better than Shisui when he has not even got a chance to prove his hype

 

[Scooby Doo]

1. Shisui
2. Itachi

This though the order is Itachi and then Shisui.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Blah blah blah all your posts are worthless.

It's funny how no-one has bothered to dare to counter Blaze Release's post.

I win.

And Itachi is the best Genjutsu user ever. Deal with it.

blaze's post was too loooooong lol, and whatever you want, hide behind someone else's post .... guess you have no valid argument to use. but thanks anyway, now i know i shouldn't take you seriously when ever i see a post of yours

 

[Sexy Steel]

At least between Hiruzen and Madara there are feat comparison, and eventhen nothing proves that Madara could survive the God of Death. Anyway Shisui has 0feats so i find it kind of funny to state that Itachi is better than Shisui when he has not even got a chance to prove his hype

lol smart how about this prime hiruzen = SO6P because they both hold the same title

 

[Henrik]

I was talking about tsukiyomi as a whole and not itachi's tsukiyomi.

But you pointed it out correctly, itachi's tsukiyomi can indeed defeat even a jinchuriki unless proved otherwise by kishi.
But its not going to end the way you are thinking...

If itachi manages to cast tsukiyomi on a perfect jinchuriki and makes it unconscious , still the biijju can take possession of the human body and defeat him.
It took Itachi alot of chakra and he had to run immediately, which means he was not in condition to fight after using MS.

Itachi says that the MS gives its user the ability to gain control over kyuubi.
And also perfect jinchuriki are immune to genjutsu.

Now i want to say why obito(assuming the fact that he controlled yagura) is best genjutsu user.

Obito managed to gain control over kurama in 3t sharingan. A feat no one has ever achieved . Not only that, he also fought minato, the 4th hokage and controlled kyubbi simultaneously which is a quite big achievement as, itachi was always immobile whenever he used his genjutsu, which means he never moved an inch while performing genjutsu or lets say tsukiyomi for convenience (since he genjutsu'd kabuto pretty good) .
Also itachi never was able to gain control over kurama, and even if he could, he could never be able to do it with 3t sharingan, but guess what? obito did it with 3t sharingan, so who is better now ?

Obito also controlled yagura, who was said to be a perfect jinchuriki.
This is also a remarkable feat, because he controlled two living beings. And that too for a long period of time. And not to forget he did it in 3t sharingan only.
Even a basic tsukiyomi couldn't do that and it also uses up alot of chakra.

so obito managed to some stuff with 3t, which is even difficult to do with MS.

That is why i think he is the best.

Also both of the points can be used for madara also.
As he fought hashirama while controlling kyuubi and minato the genius confused obito with madara.

This, and +rep.

Blah blah blah all your posts are worthless.

It's funny how no-one has bothered to dare to counter Blaze Release's post.

I win.

And Itachi is the best Genjutsu user ever. Deal with it.

Lol, you need to relax. Because Blaze says Itachi is better in terms of power and skills doesn't mean he have right. Manga have stated that the ultimate genjutsu is KA, which is in Shisui's eyes and isnt Itachi's powers.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

lol smart how about this prime hiruzen = SO6P because they both hold the same title

nop, hiruzen was called god of the shinobi world as a way to describe how strong and full of jutsu he was in his prime, so6p was really a GOD, so no shinobi is near the so6p and shouldn't even be compared to him .... he created the juubi you know (thats not what shinobi do) he is a god

 

[The Scion of Hentai]

Shisui still needs some more screen time though, to show us what he can and can't do because until such a time, it's pretty hard to make a valid argument considering we still don't know much about his abilities other than Kotoamatsukami.

 

[RoguePatriot]

Itachi

 

[The Scion of Hentai]

Itachi!!!

Itachi is clearly the best genjutsu user in the series. Im not going into what bee said because even then you can brush that aside by saying shisui has been surpassed, however ill include what bee said. Bee said he is the most powerful genjutsu user. If we take what he said literally, he is talking about ka which made him the most powerful genjutsu user. However there is powerful genjutsu, then there is actual prowess in genjutsu. These two are different things and whilst we dont know about shisui's actual prowess in genjutsu we do know that he wielded the most powerful genjutsu. However itachi stands above him by quiet a margin might i add. In terms of power, he has tsukuyomi which depending on how many hours itachi decides to cram into instant he can kill. Then there is izanami which i need not go into detail. If we were to make KA as itachi's arsenal then he also has this ability since like so many others in the series, they have gained power from a different source and itachi himself recognises it as his power;

Shisui has a Mangeyoko as well, who's to say that he himself can't use Tsukuyomi against an opponent. The point is there that so far, Shisui hasn't been told to suffer from a low reservoir of chakra or low stamina like Itachi so he could potentially use his Mangeyoko tech's far longer making it a prolonged fight in which Itachi would suffer.....oh...I'm going off topic
Anyways, considering a combo of Tsukuyomi and Kotoamatsukami, Shisui has a pretty good one-hit K.O combo right there.

Your other arguments are pretty solid, I'll give you that. You've won me over ....for now.

 

[Draegod]

Based on screen time, Itachi with out a doubt!

Based on what the manga said aka Kishi; Shisu!

You cant take everything that is about iatchi as fact in the manga such as; Only uchiha with my blood can break it, his tsukuyomi cannot be beaten etc etc but ignore the fact that Bee said shisu was the strongest genjutsu user (or best, doesnt even matter).

Itachi fans contradict them selfs so much its sadd. This site is ran by idiots and thats why most ppl that have over 4000 post but been here for less then a year need to get a life. It isnt that serious! (not all, but they know who they are).

WHy argue with an itachi fan? You can't tell a rock to move if their stuck in their ways! haha

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Hype dictates it being Shisui.
Feats dictates it being Itachi.

We all know Feats>Hype

 

[Blaze Release]

@Blaze Release nice explanation as always but what makes you believe that Itachi is the only one who can use Izanami? Don't you think it's highly possible that Shisui could use Izanami also since it's a common Uchiha technique? What makes you also believe that Shisui couldn't use genjutsu outside of his sharingan? Like i've said we only say Itachi is better because he has shown it. Shisui has basically no screentime to be able to say what he can or not, but by hype, Kishimoto clearly stated that he was the best genjutsu user in Uchiha clan

As you mentioned yourself you are going by hype given by bee against feat, therefore ill play your game and ignore itachi's feats because shisui doesnt have one.

Lets play the hype game only. Bee who firstly isnt the most reliable source. Secondly he said most powerful and not proficiency i hate repeating myself. There are two meaning to this and ive explained both. Thirdly shisui has died for quiet some time, his abilty has come to a halt. Itachi's hype from Ao and Shikaku. Ao has fought Shisui yet its not shisui who came to his mind when genjutsu prowess was mentioned. Similarly shikaku who is arguable the smartest in naruto, but also a konoha shinbi therefore his statement holds more so than the unreliable bee or Ao also said the same thing and infact he thought of itachi even before Ao did. Not only is itachi's hype against shiusi a 2 v1 situation the 2 people who back itachi are from a more reliable source than bee, unless im mistaken. Anyway my original post is enough to put itachi at the top of this art

 

[Carlhens]

ShiSui
Itachi
Kurenai
Tobi
2nd Mizukage

 

[Killahkels]

Well for a one shot kind of thing shisui of course for extended battles itachi

 

[serpiente clan]

for what i see in the anime

1itachi 2 orochimaru