Who has done the most for the Leaf??

[KingHashirama]

I'm not saying that it didn't have to happen, just that Minato was the one who put the village at risk of total annihilation at THAT time. Lol weakest village?! I guess having a baby jonchuuriki which is the same as not having and a old hookage makes the village weaker than having two hokages. And huh? What does that have to do with pttuing the village at risk during that time?



And no, you're missing the point. They wouldn't be positve that it was Madara. Minato wasn' even sure, this is completely different from when Tsunade rebeled against them. We're talking a potential threat from within the village, they would have segregrated them just to be sure lol. And from there, the coup de ta. Minato's knowing of Mitsuku wouldn't have done anything. One of the reasons why Saru probably failed is because he couldn't just walk upp and sayj oh we know about your plans lol. He most likely had to negotiate through Itachi, and obviously they didn't want ANY negotations! This is why Itachi became fed up with them. They were so stubborn.

Also, minato isn't Tsunade, on what basis do you have to think thathe would defy the elders? You have none, you're making up his character. He couldn't have dome squat...


They wouldn't even lsiten to their own son. They would have just viewed it as minato being just like the others, especially since the segregation would have been inevitable.


ed with an old hokage and a baby jinchuriki that could?kt do anything which is the same as not having one lol.

Jinchuriki is just a container for the fox ;p the main thing is the fox. And actaully Tailed beast > hokage. Remember tailed beasts were given to spread out the power.. That is the reason Konoha has em. . otherwise other villages have the upper hand. And do you really think other villages don't have more then 1 hokage level people?? ;p. Minato himself stated it about the balance.. Tailed beast is more important then Minato. And that is why it was tobi's fault.. No village is dumb enough to let their tailed beast get attacked. and also the nine-tails attacked the village when it was under tobi's control.


Minato wasn't sure??? well ok he wasn't but im pretty sure, but Sarutobi would be.. and they would know if any uchiha was that strong. Also Sarutobi could have walked up to them.. But he didn't.. Danzo was still gonna kill the uchiha whether there had been a war or not ^.^ . And itachi was used as a spy not as a negotiator. And Itachi's dad seemed to already know that the village knew about the plans. And the uchihas were stubborn?? uh dude itachi was one of them.. And also weren't the leaders of konoha stubborn to?? they could have just granted them a position in the goverment..Uchihas were actually calm headed ( prooven by itachi's father).

Also your doing the same making up his character by saying "he couldn't have done squat".. I will remind you that what Hokage says .. is what happens.. Counsel is there to counsel. BUT Sarutobi gave them to much power.


And what do you mean they didn't even listen to their own sons?? the counsel haven't even revealed any sons. And if your talking about itachi.. then im not gonna comment cause he betrayed his parents. But he gained the will of fire and also Lost it.

and what can having a old hokage do?? and a baby jinchuriki..?? i think it has already been shown =] after minato's death.

 

[Memoria]

Minato and Naruto. Rest.

 

[Klubargutan]

Madara, he founded it and protected from the outside, ofc

 

[Kazuna789]

Tobirama because without him we wouldn't have edo tensei. Without that no madara. Go Tobirama!

 

[KingHashirama]

Minato and Naruto. Rest.

how so?? over tobirama?? why do you think they have done the most for the leaf.

Madara, he founded it and protected from the outside, ofc

Well he "co-founded" it even though he was forced to join the senju ;p. but yea

Tobirama because without him we wouldn't have edo tensei. Without that no madara. Go Tobirama!

Lol xD thinking beyond the normal aye WOOOT

 

[Disquiet]

Jinchuriki is just a container for the fox ;p the main thing is the fox. And actaully Tailed beast > hokage. Remember tailed beasts were given to spread out the power.. That is the reason Konoha has em. . otherwise other villages have the upper hand. And do you really think other villages don't have more then 1 hokage level people?? ;p. Minato himself stated it about the balance.. Tailed beast is more important then Minato. And that is why it was tobi's fault.. No village is dumb enough to let their tailed beast get attacked. and also the nine-tails attacked the village when it was under tobi's control.


Minato wasn't sure??? well ok he wasn't but im pretty sure, but Sarutobi would be.. and they would know if any uchiha was that strong. Also Sarutobi could have walked up to them.. But he didn't.. Danzo was still gonna kill the uchiha whether there had been a war or not ^.^ . And itachi was used as a spy not as a negotiator. And Itachi's dad seemed to already know that the village knew about the plans. And the uchihas were stubborn?? uh dude itachi was one of them.. And also weren't the leaders of konoha stubborn to?? they could have just granted them a position in the goverment..Uchihas were actually calm headed ( prooven by itachi's father).

Also your doing the same making up his character by saying "he couldn't have done squat".. I will remind you that what Hokage says .. is what happens.. Counsel is there to counsel. BUT Sarutobi gave them to much power.


And what do you mean they didn't even listen to their own sons?? the counsel haven't even revealed any sons. And if your talking about itachi.. then im not gonna comment cause he betrayed his parents. But he gained the will of fire and also Lost it.

and what can having a old hokage do?? and a baby jinchuriki..?? i think it has already been shown =] after minato's death.

No, the jinchuuriki are more than that lol. With that logic one village could have five jinchuurikis and it would mean nothing because they are just containers. The jinchuurikis are there for use if needed, the uchihas and senju were the only ones known to control them. Simple holding onto an unuseable power isn't benefecial to any village. There would be no balance because the villages couldn't even use them. No village would have anything to fear from the other. The jinchuurikis are treasured weapons,, and these weaspons keep a balance.

But what Minato was reffering to is not the weakening of the village. But simply there would have been 4 jinchurikirs and one free tailed beast. Note his words, I can't let it be "ressurected" without a jinchuriki. It would have been fine for the village not to have a jinchuuriki as far as strength. Tailed beasts aren't everything, any village could have attacked the Leaf....

And no, saru wouldn't have been either. They obviously thought an uchiha was capable of breaking the seal, and takibg control of the fox, minato's uncertainty wouldn't have made tthem rest easy that it's not an uchiha from their village. That assumption could lead to a bigger problem later, that'4why they were segrated. Of course they weren't sure, so they isolated them.

And yes the uchiha was stubborn. :/ anyway, this was a mother and father who lsitened to their beloved son cry his heart out as he was about to stab them, and to the end, they stuck to their ideals. I repeat, minato couldn't have done squat.



And uf saru just walked up to them, that would have compromiised itachi and the entire mission. They placed itachi to be sure of it. And you have no idea what the 3rd tried. :/ but to say he didn't try everything he could would be indirectly saying he didn' care enoguh.

I'm sure he cared, the Uchiha wanted it all. :/ thoguh there's no proof of Saru negotiating through Itach, he had to negotiate throguh a spy. You think they were just saying we know you're about to attack us, but we can offer you this. And they like naw, just bee ready for when we attack. Of course not.

And I'm usingg my phy last one. one so _ can't eveb see the rest of your posts, and I don't want to mess my post up like

 

[KingHashirama]

No, the jinchuuriki are more than that lol. With that logic one village could have five jinchuurikis and it would mean nothing because they are just containers. The jinchuurikis are there for use if needed, the uchihas and senju were the only ones known to control them. Simple holding onto an unuseable power isn't benefecial to any village. There would be no balance because the villages couldn't even use them. No village would have anything to fear from the other. The jinchuurikis are treasured weapons,, and these weaspons keep a balance.

But what Minato was reffering to is not the weakening of the village. But simply there would have been 4 jinchurikirs and one free tailed beast. Note his words, I can't let it be "ressurected" without a jinchuriki. It would have been fine for the village not to have a jinchuuriki as far as strength. Tailed beasts aren't everything, any village could have attacked the Leaf....

And no, saru wouldn't have been either. They obviously thought an uchiha was capable of breaking the seal, and takibg control of the fox, minato's uncertainty wouldn't have made tthem rest easy that it's not an uchiha from their village. That assumption could lead to a bigger problem later, that'4why they were segrated. Of course they weren't sure, so they isolated them.

And yes the uchiha was stubborn. :/ anyway, this was a mother and father who lsitened to their beloved son cry his heart out as he was about to stab them, and to the end, they stuck to their ideals. I repeat, minato couldn't have done squat.



And uf saru just walked up to them, that would have compromiised itachi and the entire mission. They placed itachi to be sure of it. And you have no idea what the 3rd tried. :/ but to say he didn't try everything he could would be indirectly saying he didn' care enoguh.

I'm sure he cared, the Uchiha wanted it all. :/ thoguh there's no proof of Saru negotiating through Itach, he had to negotiate throguh a spy. You think they were just saying we know you're about to attack us, but we can offer you this. And they like naw, just bee ready for when we attack. Of course not.

And I'm usingg my phy last one. one so _ can't eveb see the rest of your posts, and I don't want to mess my post up like

Correction : Tailed beasts are treasured weapon and keep the balance. ;D. And a normal defination of a jinchuriki is a human container of a tailed beast. And also Even Minato tought that the tailed beasts were worth more then The Hokage xD. so yea.

And also, there would have been 8 jinchurikis ;D. not 4. Leaf is the only one i think that possessed only 1. Also again "BALANCE" represents the Village's strength. Any Village without a Tailed beast is weaker then the one with a tailed beast . And also , Tailed beasts are also used to "Bargain" or etc like the people in the 4th kazekage's Flashback said.

umm minato was already pretty sure it wasn't someone from the village. Lol. If it was he would have told them so. Also only 4 people had been known to control a tailed-beast at that time: Hashirama, Madara, Killer B, And the 4th mizukage. And minato already had assumed it was Madara. . So yea.


"The uchiha were stubborn" are you kidding with me bro??? You are talking about a clan that gave up all of its pride just to become servents of konoha aka the police.. Those guys were stubborn??? if someone gets segregated and Watched over after all their clan has done for the village..How do you think they would feel??

Also, Sarutobi said to "talk it out", Which basically means they hadn't done it yet. Mate if they had sat down and talked it out.more people would have been there not just 4 geezers running the village. Itachi was used as a spy on the uchiha, just like many other Anbu (according to tobi).

noone negotiates through a spy.the job of a spy is to get the details and the info.


And about the attack.. When danzo and the others found out about it.. guess what they decided..

1(sarutobi) decided to talk to them

3 (danzo and other 2) decided to eliminate them

UCHIHA WERE KONOHA CITIZEN xD not no clan tryna destroy konoha. And also Itachi was one of the uchiha. But When he joined the Anbu he came under Danzo ;].

Note: We will see what really happened from the "ones that know all"

 

[Disquiet]

Correction : Tailed beasts are treasured weapon and keep the balance. ;D. And a normal defination of a jinchuriki is a human container of a tailed beast. And also Even Minato tought that the tailed beasts were worth more then The Hokage xD. so yea.

And also, there would have been 8 jinchurikis ;D. not 4. Leaf is the only one i think that possessed only 1. Also again "BALANCE" represents the Village's strength. Any Village without a Tailed beast is weaker then the one with a tailed beast . And also , Tailed beasts are also used to "Bargain" or etc like the people in the 4th kazekage's Flashback said.

umm minato was already pretty sure it wasn't someone from the village. Lol. If it was he would have told them so. Also only 4 people had been known to control a tailed-beast at that time: Hashirama, Madara, Killer B, And the 4th mizukage. And minato already had assumed it was Madara. . So yea.


"The uchiha were stubborn" are you kidding with me bro??? You are talking about a clan that gave up all of its pride just to become servents of konoha aka the police.. Those guys were stubborn??? if someone gets segregated and Watched over after all their clan has done for the village..How do you think they would feel??

Also, Sarutobi said to "talk it out", Which basically means they hadn't done it yet. Mate if they had sat down and talked it out.more people would have been there not just 4 geezers running the village. Itachi was used as a spy on the uchiha, just like many other Anbu (according to tobi).

noone negotiates through a spy.the job of a spy is to get the details and the info.


And about the attack.. When danzo and the others found out about it.. guess what they decided..

1(sarutobi) decided to talk to them

3 (danzo and other 2) decided to eliminate them

UCHIHA WERE KONOHA CITIZEN xD not no clan tryna destroy konoha. And also Itachi was one of the uchiha. But When he joined the Anbu he came under Danzo ;].

Note: We will see what really happened from the "ones that know all"

Lol You keep digging yourself into a deeper hole with each post you make. First, a village without a Hokage would be attacked immediately. First and foremost, a village MUST have a Hokage, hokage>tailed beasts. Suna lost theirs, but the main thing the vilage was worried about was losing a Hokage. It would have put them in a weak spot. This is common knowledge.

"And also, there would have been 8 jinchurikis ;D. not 4. Leaf is the only one I think that possessed only 1. "
I'm not sure if you're saying that everyone else had two, or that Leaf was the only one that had a jinchuuriki. I'm going to trust that you know about Killer Bee and such and assume you're talking about every village had two. If so, how is that balance in terms of villages' strength? That's because the "balance" has little to do with a villages' overall strength.


Once again, Minato says it all, pay attention to his words. "I can't let the 9tails be ressurected without a Jinchuuriki, the balance of tailed beasts would be destroyed."This means if the 9-tails couldn't be ressurected. The "balance" would still be the same. Like I said, it's not about the strength of the village. Only if he had come back without a jinchuuriki would the balance have been broken. The balance is not having such huge powers roaming free and unchecked, the tailed beasts can't do much from inside its host, but once one of them is free to roam, this balance is broken.

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After all this, are you still going to try and argue the village would have been basically the weakest?

Yes yes, they may have been used for bargains, but now that I finally brought you this far, let me remind you of your earlier post that brought upon this debate of balance.

BUT it had to happen if Minato letted him get Kyuubi, then Konoha is basically the weakest village out of the big five ;p

You still don't get it, all they cared about that it was an Uchiha, I'm pretty sured they questioned if someone in the village was capable of getting through the barrier they had set up, breaking the Uzumaki seal, and taking control of the fox. Minato's uncerainty that it was Madara wouldn't have erased all their doubts lol.

You still don't get the segregation. It was a safety measure, nothing more. They weren't going to kill them until the coup de ta. Obviously they never imagined the Uchiha would go rebellious, afterall, it was their strongest clan and they wouldn't want to uneccessarily lose them, but becuase there was still that chance of them having something to do with the attack, they were isolated to be on the safe side.

And you don't get what happened, they were segregrated for suspicions, then the Leaf found out about a coup de ta, no one could be sure they weren't actually behind the fox attack?! It only ADDED to the original suspicions.

Lol no, the Uchiha that planned the coup was stubborn, they knew the risk of a possible 4th ninja war, and that many lives were at stake, and they didn't really care for it.



And for the last bit about Saru talking it out with them, thanks for that bit of info.

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It appears negotiations were never made, and that actually makes sense. It woudl have been too dangerous for ANYONE to inform them they know of the coup de ta, that's why Danzo and the elders didn't listen.

The risk was too great to give the suspects behind the fox attack, and also conspiraotrs of a coup de ta back their position, because even if the Uchiha agreed, it wouldn"t eliminate the chance of another attack or copu de ta, it would have just given them more room to operate should they have ACTUALLY been behind it.

Danzo and the elders was not going to let it happen....

 

[yondaimeminato]

Ummmm...no

Tobi created Nagato

Oro created Kabuto

Danzo worked with Oro before Oro became bad

Danzo had no idea the extent to which Pein would destroy Konoha

He made the order for the destruction of the Uchiha to PREVENT A CIVIL WAR. I think that is noble enough.

On top of that he did loads of other dirty yet necessary work to make sure the Leaf survived. Without him, the Leaf would have been destroyed many times over for all we know. Itachi was following Danzo's orders the whole time.

Danzo was involved with Hanzo when yahiko was ordered to be killed by nagato. Nagato's parents were killed by konoha ninjas and jiraiya changed nagato's mentality and hatred towards konoha. However Danzo joined forces with hanzo. Danzo was from konoha and participated in yahiko's death. This renewed/triggered nagato's hatred towards konoha. This is were tobi/mask man took the opportunity to manipulated nagato as he wanted.

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Kabuto was happy living with his found mother at the orphanage. Danzo notices that one the children was spying them talking with his mother and quickly decides to say that they needed an extra men. Kabuto then becomes as good as his mother as a spy and danzo decides to make them killed each other since they held valuable information. Danzo brainwashed kabuto's mother mind so that she wouldn't be able to recognize kabuto. This is were kabuto starts to his journey. Orochimaru like tobi/mask man, only used what had happened to kabuto as a way to manipulate him.

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Oro's parent death made him realize that he needed power and danzo's dirty way of doing things changed oro's way of doing things. Oro was one of the two danzo trusty body guards. To hold this position oro had to have spent a lot of time with danzo. As you can see in the previous links, danzo had already all the sharingans on his arm and right eye. Tobi/mask man also says that oro and danzo spent a lot of time working together on experiments.

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Danzo wasn't interested in protecting the village when he wanted to destroy the uchiha. danzo was interest in uchiha's power. He wanted their eyes. And he used this civil war as an excuse to get hold of the sharingans.

Danzo's actions led to many problems to konoha

 

[The Destroyer]

Wtf i accidently voted no.
Plz tell me how to change my vote again ?

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol You keep digging yourself into a deeper hole with each post you make. First, a village without a Hokage would be attacked immediately. First and foremost, a village MUST have a Hokage, hokage>tailed beasts. Suna lost theirs, but the main thing the vilage was worried about was losing a Hokage. It would have put them in a weak spot. This is common knowledge.

"And also, there would have been 8 jinchurikis ;D. not 4. Leaf is the only one I think that possessed only 1. "
I'm not sure if you're saying that everyone else had two, or that Leaf was the only one that had a jinchuuriki. I'm going to trust that you know about Killer Bee and such and assume you're talking about every village had two. If so, how is that balance in terms of villages' strength? That's because the "balance" has little to do with a villages' overall strength.


Once again, Minato says it all, pay attention to his words. "I can't let the 9tails be ressurected without a Jinchuuriki, the balance of tailed beasts would be destroyed."This means if the 9-tails couldn't be ressurected. The "balance" would still be the same. Like I said, it's not about the strength of the village. Only if he had come back without a jinchuuriki would the balance have been broken. The balance is not having such huge powers roaming free and unchecked, the tailed beasts can't do much from inside its host, but once one of them is free to roam, this balance is broken.

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After all this, are you still going to try and argue the village would have been basically the weakest?

Yes yes, they may have been used for bargains, but now that I finally brought you this far, let me remind you of your earlier post that brought upon this debate of balance.





You still don't get it, all they cared about that it was an Uchiha, I'm pretty sured they questioned if someone in the village was capable of getting through the barrier they had set up, breaking the Uzumaki seal, and taking control of the fox. Minato's uncerainty that it was Madara wouldn't have erased all their doubts lol.

You still don't get the segregation. It was a safety measure, nothing more. They weren't going to kill them until the coup de ta. Obviously they never imagined the Uchiha would go rebellious, afterall, it was their strongest clan and they wouldn't want to uneccessarily lose them, but becuase there was still that chance of them having something to do with the attack, they were isolated to be on the safe side.

And you don't get what happened, they were segregrated for suspicions, then the Leaf found out about a coup de ta, no one could be sure they weren't actually behind the fox attack?! It only ADDED to the original suspicions.

Lol no, the Uchiha that planned the coup was stubborn, they knew the risk of a possible 4th ninja war, and that many lives were at stake, and they didn't really care for it.



And for the last bit about Saru talking it out with them, thanks for that bit of info.

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It appears negotiations were never made, and that actually makes sense. It woudl have been too dangerous for ANYONE to inform them they know of the coup de ta, that's why Danzo and the elders didn't listen.

The risk was too great to give the suspects behind the fox attack, and also conspiraotrs of a coup de ta back their position, because even if the Uchiha agreed, it wouldn"t eliminate the chance of another attack or copu de ta, it would have just given them more room to operate should they have ACTUALLY been behind it.

Danzo and the elders was not going to let it happen....

Oh dayum long ass post this time ;x.

Ima start by saying this.. Lead already had a Hokage at its disposal.. You said Hokage> Tailed-beast.. But in Minato's situation Tailed-beast> Minato. Even if leaf had lost Minato they would already have a Hokage to replace him . So yea.

And every village besides the Sand and Leaf had 2 Tailed-beasts. And also, Notice how Danzo didn't let Naruto comeback and the elders because they didn't want to give-up the nine-tails. and even let their Hokage get jacked up.

Hokage can always be replaced.. But the mark that having no tailed beast leaves cannot be replaced.. And i hope you do realize since shikaku was taken away from the Sand its power did decrease by very much. And thats also the reason it is the weakest out of the Big 5.

Also, About what minato said. The only way to safely conceal a Bijuu is to have a jinchuriki. And yea.. compared to the other villages the leaf would have been a former part of itself. Shall I remind you why Hashirama was the most feared man of his time? because he had Bijuus under his control.

Mate I hope you do realize the counsel and Sarutobi did not even know about the Minato vs Tobi fight.. They had no clue who was behind it. That is where the whole problem started. Tobi was trying to destroy the village.. BUT I hope you do remember Uchiha helped make the village.. The uchiha have the same amount of claim to the village as any another konoha citizen or maybe even more.

Also, I know why they were segregated.. BUT again Segregating a population without any proof is not justice.. And that is the sign of a unfalse goverment. You cannot segregate a group that has done more of the village then any clan thats running the goverment. lol.

Minato's uncertainty..hmm was he realy un certain..?? he sure for a fact seemed to know it was someone from outside the village. =] Also uncertainty is better then knowing NOTHING.

Also, The fox thing had disappeared at that time. Their main problem was the coup d'tat.. (i hope you know what that means). It was against the Leaders.. not against the village. This is what Danzo manipulated Itachi into thinking.. Danzo basically simplified it to "Uchiha vs konoha". But let me ask you if I , a american, were to Coup d'tat against the goverment would that make unamerican??? NO i would still be a american citizen. Uchiha were Konoha Citizen with the will of Fire. The coup was nothing bad nor would it have lead to a 4th ninja war.. Which is a war between countries. But again the geezers have a way to make it a big deal, just like they do with Naruto leaving the village.


Also, IT WAS GONNA BE UP TO DANZO AND SARUTOBI TO MAKE A FOURTH NINJA WAR...... Uchiha are not that dumb to call a coup if they tought it would have lead to the destruction of the leaf.

So basically this is what was the reason.. like itachi's dad said " our way of thinking differs" .

And like sarutobi said, "IF WE START A CIVIL WAR WITH THE UCHIHA"..

and like Koharu ( the old counsel lady) said, "If they attend to steal political power in the name of revolution, then we shall treat them as Traitors of Konoha".... now let me ask you. How can you call a group traitor when they were getting segregated for something they didn't do. And their own leaders won't believe them . According to YOU , im assuming they should have waited their whole life time??.

Fact is Danzo never thought of the uchiha nicely. He himself said that even if there wasn't a war the uchiha would still need to be eliminated. . soo yea.

 

[leeko]

Likes how OP is getting owned by almost every one. Real list right here.

1. 1st Hokage.
2. 3rd Hokage.
3. Itachi.
4. Naruto's Parents.
5. Naruto.
6. Tsunade.
7. Kakashi.

i agree but after naruto everyone else should be taken off

 

[KingHashirama]

i agree but after naruto everyone else should be taken off

your saying itachi did more then tsunade???

 

[leeko]

itachi stopped a war but killing his entire clan what has tsunade done ... i might have missed something lol

 

[KingHashirama]

itachi stopped a war but killing his entire clan what has tsunade done ... i might have missed something lol

There was never a war.. lol. And he killed a clan that belonged to the village ;p.

Tsunade : Medical laws for the leaf, Suggested the 1 medical ninja per team, Used all her chakra to make sure noone dies during the pain invasion.


Itachi is nothing in front of her.

 

[Disquiet]

Lol You are one big troll, though you make yourself look siilly, I'm busy, post another time. ;p

 

[FizzyDrink]

Danzo was involved with Hanzo when yahiko was ordered to be killed by nagato. Nagato's parents were killed by konoha ninjas and jiraiya changed nagato's mentality and hatred towards konoha. However Danzo joined forces with hanzo. Danzo was from konoha and participated in yahiko's death. This renewed/triggered nagato's hatred towards konoha. This is were tobi/mask man took the opportunity to manipulated nagato as he wanted.

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Kabuto was happy living with his found mother at the orphanage. Danzo notices that one the children was spying them talking with his mother and quickly decides to say that they needed an extra men. Kabuto then becomes as good as his mother as a spy and danzo decides to make them killed each other since they held valuable information. Danzo brainwashed kabuto's mother mind so that she wouldn't be able to recognize kabuto. This is were kabuto starts to his journey. Orochimaru like tobi/mask man, only used what had happened to kabuto as a way to manipulate him.

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Oro's parent death made him realize that he needed power and danzo's dirty way of doing things changed oro's way of doing things. Oro was one of the two danzo trusty body guards. To hold this position oro had to have spent a lot of time with danzo. As you can see in the previous links, danzo had already all the sharingans on his arm and right eye. Tobi/mask man also says that oro and danzo spent a lot of time working together on experiments.

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Danzo wasn't interested in protecting the village when he wanted to destroy the uchiha. danzo was interest in uchiha's power. He wanted their eyes. And he used this civil war as an excuse to get hold of the sharingans.

Danzo's actions led to many problems to konoha

Wow, you are really clutching at straws here.

To begin with, what Danzo did against the original Akatsuki was to PROTECT THE LEAF. He saw the organization as a threat because they were so powerful. He had NO way of knowing the effect killing Yahiko would have in the future. What he did was for the Leaf. Tobi is the one who manipulated Nagato, it's entirely Tobi's fault that Nagato became who he became.

Also, the deal with Kabuto was also TO PROTECT THE LEAF. Kabuto and the other woman had LOADS of information that would be incredibly dangerous in other hands. Killing them, although dirty, was entirely to protect the Leaf, it wasn't to turn Kabuto into what he became. It was entirely Orochimaru's manipulation that converted Kabuto. Danzo was just looking out for the Leaf.

Danzo did not turn Orochimaru into who he was either. Orochimaru always had the yearn for power, he just happened to work with Danzo because he was willing to do the dirty deeds. Danzo did not turn Oro evil, he in fact used Oro to aid the Leaf before Oro broke ties with it.

And he didn't order the Uchiha massacre because he wanted more eyes!! He did it to protect the Leaf once again!!! Once they had died, he probably took the opportunity to get more sharingan to make himself more powerful SO HE COULD BETTER PROTECT THE LEAF. If you read his battle with Sasuke, you should understand that EVERYTHING he did was to protect the Lead. He never wished anything otherwise. The reason he wanted to be Hokage was because he thought that way he could more easily aid the Leaf. Whichever way you look at it, everything he did was for the Leaf, and he did A LOT.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol You are one big troll, though you make yourself look siilly, I'm busy, post another time. ;p

awww man. it was such a good arguement to tho. but look forward to seeing ya again bud ;}

 

[Jinton Spam]

Ramen guy's father

 

[KingHashirama]

Ramen guy's father

lmao nice pick