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True, but he died bc of chakra depletion. He sacrificed himself to save chojikakashi did actually die in the fight against pain, then he was revivied...
True, but he died bc of chakra depletion. He sacrificed himself to save chojikakashi did actually die in the fight against pain, then he was revivied...
Hmm, I think Itachi would be fine against Kamui... For one Deidara was able to escape it, and we all know Itachi>Deidara. Also with Itachi's vast knowledge of the sharingan and susano'o, I think he can get around Kamui.
1. I don't think there is anyone who could get defeated by izanami in whole NV except kabuto.
2. The only one who can counter kamui is obito.
3. Yup they can both keep up with naruto's speed. thats all i wanted to say.
4. Itachi cannot remain in susano 24 x 7 . Thanks to edo he was able to use susano without worrying about his health.
5. Sure...
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They have been walking like this for quite a while.. they were talking like friends...
Nagato would have told him about his abilities or hinted him before the fight.
Also nagato was telling them what attack he is gonna do before he do it. Also don't even compare nagato with itachi, nagato >> itachi.
I can talk and talk, but ill try and make is quick. First thing that people confuse is intelligence and natural talent. Seems this thread is about genius i take it the op means intelligence therefore this is what ill say.
He was the only person in the whole of konoha which is made up of many various clans who sensed obito/madara and itachi isnt even a senser. Second is that he was able to monitor obito/madara whilst obito didnt know spot itachi. Third is that he was able to agree a deal with obito/masked man to help him kill the uchiha clan, but at the same time obito wouldnt touch konoha. This is a feat that a 12 year was able to accomplish.
Second is that during his introduction he was able to made a very quick tactic stragetgy and anaylsed kakashi, telling kisame that in a fight he would suffer unnecessary injuries. This later included the fact that he decided to flee rather than fight anbu, though some can same because his initial reason for konoha was for something else.
Third is the fact that he had planned his fight with sasuke. To push him whilst at the same time not kill him, that is a very difficult thing to do. In fact all of itachi's fights he has had to fight for other reasons rather than putting his opponents in a box and this ability is very rare and yet he has always achieved the desired outcome one way or another. Its easy to fight to kill because you are not restricted however fighting for other purposes always makes life difficult.
Then there is his fight against kabuto. Itachi had already analysed the situation even before kabuto started talking nonsense about him being closest to the sage, how he is immune to physical damage and how edo tensei ninja's are his pawns and started the loop of izanami inYou must be registered for see links. It was later backed in chapterYou must be registered for see links. He had already picked out a technique in his arsenal which would bring kabuto down but at the same time not kill him, from the very start of the fight. Very good quick thinking and summary of kabuto that itachi did, something that people seem to forget.
Itachi has shown to be able to analyse a situation very quickly and take action
I can talk and talk, but ill try and make is quick. First thing that people confuse is intelligence and natural talent. Seems this thread is about genius i take it the op means intelligence therefore this is what ill say.
He was the only person in the whole of konoha which is made up of many various clans who sensed obito/madara and itachi isnt even a senser. Second is that he was able to monitor obito/madara whilst obito didnt know spot itachi. Third is that he was able to agree a deal with obito/masked man to help him kill the uchiha clan, but at the same time obito wouldnt touch konoha. This is a feat that a 12 year was able to accomplish.
Second is that during his introduction he was able to made a very quick tactic stragetgy and anaylsed kakashi, telling kisame that in a fight he would suffer unnecessary injuries. This later included the fact that he decided to flee rather than fight anbu, though some can same because his initial reason for konoha was for something else.
Third is the fact that he had planned his fight with sasuke. To push him whilst at the same time not kill him, that is a very difficult thing to do. In fact all of itachi's fights he has had to fight for other reasons rather than putting his opponents in a box and this ability is very rare and yet he has always achieved the desired outcome one way or another. Its easy to fight to kill because you are not restricted however fighting for other purposes always makes life difficult.
Then there is his fight against kabuto. Itachi had already analysed the situation even before kabuto started talking nonsense about him being closest to the sage, how he is immune to physical damage and how edo tensei ninja's are his pawns and started the loop of izanami inYou must be registered for see links. It was later backed in chapterYou must be registered for see links. He had already picked out a technique in his arsenal which would bring kabuto down but at the same time not kill him, from the very start of the fight. Very good quick thinking and summary of kabuto that itachi did, something that people seem to forget.
Itachi has shown to be able to analyse a situation very quickly and take action
I also wanted to mention all this. You think exactly like me. Itachi is good with insight or planing things ahead, but in an actual battle, Kakashi is better, he has shown far more tactical feats. So i agreeFunny how Itachi fanboy's think he's the best at all lol.This thread is about intelligece,not who's stronger.
First off, Kakashi has more experience than Itachi. Second, I'm talking about intelligence/strategies/tactics, and nothing more.
1. He didn't know as much about snakes as Sasuke did
2. He didn't know about Kabuto's hydrification technique
3. He didn't know about hakugeki
4. He (and Sasuke) failed with their combo/surprise attack
5. He didn't know about muki-tensei
6. He didn't know about the stick webs
7. He didn't know about the sound genjutsu
But this isn't really a contest about knowing stuff. This is more a contest about learning on the fly and creating successful counters. And do you know what Itachi's counter to each of these was?
1. nothing (none needed)
2. nothing
3. susanoo
4. can't make strategy - use izanagi
5. susanoo
6. amaterasu
7. Sasuke-Itachi counter-genjutsu
Of all these, only the last one was even moderately impressive as far as strategy and analysis goes
Some people said that it's very rare to see him wrong...
Here i prove them wrong agai
1. Wrong about Tobi
2. Wrong about Sasuke
3. Wrong about the whole Uchiha genocide thing
4. Wrong about Madara
5. Failed to stop a war (the whole reason he killed his family)
6. Failed to stop Tobi from getting to Sasuke
7. Failed to get Sasuke to go back to Konoha (a la kotoamatsukami)
8. Failed to stop Madara (by ending edo tensei)
let's look at some of his others
1. Against Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi - no real strategy in this fight (except the kunai distraction).
2. Ran from Jiraiya - no strategy, and did not dominate
3. Rematch with Kakashi and Naruto - did not dominate, and got outsmarted
4. Against Sasuke (crow clone) - no strategy, and got dominated
5. Against Naruto (crow clone) - dominated, and used strategy (a la kotoamatsukami)
6. Against Sasuke - did not dominate, and not much strategy (except maybe expending Sasuke's chakra)
7. Against Bee and Naruto - sort of dominated, but no strategy
8. Against Nagato - no one really dominated, showed a bit of strategy (destroying CT)
9. Against Kabuto - got dominated, showed almost no strategy (except escaping genjutsu)
Outside of battle, he has wisdom on a lot of the Narutoverse. But inside battle, he's not nearly the tactician that Kakashi is.
Even a moderate strategy would put Kakashi on par with Itachi (moderate) level of battle strategies
1. Kakashi vs Naru/Saku/Sasu - kawarimi on the clone instead of a chunk of wood (I still wonder why no one else does this). Setting Naruto up with a bell trap. Using the trapped Naruto as a fake distraction to lure Sasuke out. Not much, but it's a start
2. Kakashi vs Demon Brothers - Kakashi noted the water puddle and used that catch them off-guard. Again, not much, but it's already setting him up beyond Itachi's own feats. He also realized the brothers utilized poison
3. Kakashi vs Zabuza (first) - Seeing the rabbit and realizing it was for kawarimi - meaning shinobi. This next one is just typical Kakashi, but Zabuza notes it to be particularly impressive - when Kakashi made the water clone and used it to talk to Sasuke, giving it the appearance that it was the real Kakashi. Realizing that Haku was an impostor
4. Kakashi vs Zabuza (rematch) - just to keep this one short, Kakashi formed a strategy at the very beginning. He allowed Zabuza to hit him twice so that he could use his own blood to locate Zabuza even in the mist - smarter than just about anything Itachi showed
5. Kakashi vs Itachi (first) - Showed off his analytic skills. Even without being able to read Itachi's hand seals, he was able to realize the shuriken were just distractions, and react accordingly. He was also able to feint with his own clone while getting Kurenai away from Itachi's. He also showed his knowledge of the MS, and tsukuyomi (neither of which he had at the time). Again, few little things, but they sure are adding up against Itachi
6. Kakashi vs Itachi (rematch) - as already said, outsmarted Itachi
7. Kakashi vs Deidara - I don't really remember this fight, but I don't think there was any strategy in it
8. Kakashi vs Kakuzu - combination strategy with Shikamaru to use Hidan to kill Kakuzu. Also analyzed Kakuzu to realize the use of his "heart" system
9. Kakashi vs Pein - was able to figure out the mechanics and even time period of Deva Path's abilities. Created a strategy to take down Deva 2 times ,the frist 1 after using raiton kage bunshin ( deva couln't use shinrei because of the 5s and asura was apralysed, then with Choji and Choza but asura interrupted.
10. Kakashi vs Swordsmen - analyzed until he got a handle on their abilities. Made strategy to seal Zabuza
11. Kakashi vs Jinchuuriki - combined with Naruto, and Gai, formed strategy to counter all the path abilities
12. Kakashi vs Tobi - figured out S/T Migration
Kakashi's intel > Itachi's intel.
Funny how Itachi fanboy's think he's the best at all lol.This thread is about intelligece,not who's stronger.
First off, Kakashi has more experience than Itachi. Second, I'm talking about intelligence/strategies/tactics, and nothing more.
1. He didn't know as much about snakes as Sasuke did
2. He didn't know about Kabuto's hydrification technique
3. He didn't know about hakugeki
4. He (and Sasuke) failed with their combo/surprise attack
5. He didn't know about muki-tensei
6. He didn't know about the stick webs
7. He didn't know about the sound genjutsu
But this isn't really a contest about knowing stuff. This is more a contest about learning on the fly and creating successful counters. And do you know what Itachi's counter to each of these was?
1. nothing (none needed)
2. nothing
3. susanoo
4. can't make strategy - use izanagi
5. susanoo
6. amaterasu
7. Sasuke-Itachi counter-genjutsu
Of all these, only the last one was even moderately impressive as far as strategy and analysis goes
Some people said that it's very rare to see him wrong...
Here i prove them wrong agai
1. Wrong about Tobi
2. Wrong about Sasuke
3. Wrong about the whole Uchiha genocide thing
4. Wrong about Madara
5. Failed to stop a war (the whole reason he killed his family)
6. Failed to stop Tobi from getting to Sasuke
7. Failed to get Sasuke to go back to Konoha (a la kotoamatsukami)
8. Failed to stop Madara (by ending edo tensei)
let's look at some of his others
1. Against Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi - no real strategy in this fight (except the kunai distraction).
2. Ran from Jiraiya - no strategy, and did not dominate
3. Rematch with Kakashi and Naruto - did not dominate, and got outsmarted
4. Against Sasuke (crow clone) - no strategy, and got dominated
5. Against Naruto (crow clone) - dominated, and used strategy (a la kotoamatsukami)
6. Against Sasuke - did not dominate, and not much strategy (except maybe expending Sasuke's chakra)
7. Against Bee and Naruto - sort of dominated, but no strategy
8. Against Nagato - no one really dominated, showed a bit of strategy (destroying CT)
9. Against Kabuto - got dominated, showed almost no strategy (except escaping genjutsu)
Outside of battle, he has wisdom on a lot of the Narutoverse. But inside battle, he's not nearly the tactician that Kakashi is.
Even a moderate strategy would put Kakashi on par with Itachi (moderate) level of battle strategies
1. Kakashi vs Naru/Saku/Sasu - kawarimi on the clone instead of a chunk of wood (I still wonder why no one else does this). Setting Naruto up with a bell trap. Using the trapped Naruto as a fake distraction to lure Sasuke out. Not much, but it's a start
2. Kakashi vs Demon Brothers - Kakashi noted the water puddle and used that catch them off-guard. Again, not much, but it's already setting him up beyond Itachi's own feats. He also realized the brothers utilized poison
3. Kakashi vs Zabuza (first) - Seeing the rabbit and realizing it was for kawarimi - meaning shinobi. This next one is just typical Kakashi, but Zabuza notes it to be particularly impressive - when Kakashi made the water clone and used it to talk to Sasuke, giving it the appearance that it was the real Kakashi. Realizing that Haku was an impostor
4. Kakashi vs Zabuza (rematch) - just to keep this one short, Kakashi formed a strategy at the very beginning. He allowed Zabuza to hit him twice so that he could use his own blood to locate Zabuza even in the mist - smarter than just about anything Itachi showed
5. Kakashi vs Itachi (first) - Showed off his analytic skills. Even without being able to read Itachi's hand seals, he was able to realize the shuriken were just distractions, and react accordingly. He was also able to feint with his own clone while getting Kurenai away from Itachi's. He also showed his knowledge of the MS, and tsukuyomi (neither of which he had at the time). Again, few little things, but they sure are adding up against Itachi
6. Kakashi vs Itachi (rematch) - as already said, outsmarted Itachi
7. Kakashi vs Deidara - I don't really remember this fight, but I don't think there was any strategy in it
8. Kakashi vs Kakuzu - combination strategy with Shikamaru to use Hidan to kill Kakuzu. Also analyzed Kakuzu to realize the use of his "heart" system
9. Kakashi vs Pein - was able to figure out the mechanics and even time period of Deva Path's abilities. Created a strategy to take down Deva 2 times ,the frist 1 after using raiton kage bunshin ( deva couln't use shinrei because of the 5s and asura was apralysed, then with Choji and Choza but asura interrupted.
10. Kakashi vs Swordsmen - analyzed until he got a handle on their abilities. Made strategy to seal Zabuza
11. Kakashi vs Jinchuuriki - combined with Naruto, and Gai, formed strategy to counter all the path abilities
12. Kakashi vs Tobi - figured out S/T Migration
Kakashi's intel > Itachi's intel.
.i will make this quicker...
Itachi is dead, while kakashi is fighting in this whole arc and he still is gonna fight against obito and most probably defeat him.
No matter how hard you try,You cannot deny the fact,
kakashi have surpassed itachi at this point of time, and all the thing you say will all become a fail the more kakashi show us his skills.
This is kakashi's year, more screen time results in one character being superior to other as he progresses.
So , kakashi is and will be > itachi.
just deal with it :shrug:
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Tell me how many people know about the uchiha shrine ? A few uchihas ?
Itachi is a genius even among uchihas, if someone goes into his territory, he would surely notice. He was once an anbu afterall.
Any uchiha with itachi's potential would have noticed it , such as kakashi,sasuke , shisui,obito etc, if they were in itachi's shoes.
This is not a feat according to me.
Second : his initial reason was to warn them not to harm them.
Third : i agree, IN itachi vs sasuke fight, itachi did a great job.
Last : This also i agree, itachi roflstomp kabuto xd
But now lets look at kakashi's feats, (in the war arc)
-> He played a great role in taking down all 7 swordsman, the best ones.
-> Figured out the only weakness of tobi's S/T , even itachi wasn't able to do it.
His intelligence surpassed itachi big time , He is the only "brain" ïn the 4 man team, and he is doing his job pretty good.
Kakashi fan boys will be fan boys....
Kakashi outsmarted a 30% itachi clone wow what a feat....
Itachi is fat more annalitycal, put kakashi in the same fight against Edo nagato instead of itachi And nagato would have captured all three of them with CT. Kakashi would not have thought about using kunai to block out the shared field vision.
It took kakashi a long time to figure out that his kamui and tobis dimension were linked. How many times did he see obitio's jutsu before he FINALLY realized they were linked? A good 10 times? Maybe more?
Kakashi is intelligent, theres no denying that. However, itachi is really on a different level. Stated by kabuto himself.
How can Itachi not figure out Tobi's S/T when he was never pitted against it, as Kakashi is? This is not a feat where Kakashi succeeded where Itachi couldn't, idiot.
Kakashi's intelligence has never been at Itachi's level, and never will be.
1. I don't think there is anyone who could get defeated by izanami in whole NV except kabuto.
2. The only one who can counter kamui is obito.
3. Yup they can both keep up with naruto's speed. thats all i wanted to say.
4. Itachi cannot remain in susano 24 x 7 . Thanks to edo he was able to use susano without worrying about his health.
5. Sure...
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They have been walking like this for quite a while.. they were talking like friends...
Nagato would have told him about his abilities or hinted him before the fight.
Also nagato was telling them what attack he is gonna do before he do it. Also don't even compare nagato with itachi, nagato >> itachi.
I think your grammar gave me cancer