Who deserves more credit for Naruto's success?

[TheCCV]

Lets forget temporarily that Minato is responsible for Narutos birth, because that'll just cheapen the debate and make it less interesting.

Who deserves more credit?
Tobirama for Shadow Clone Jutsu?
Or Minato for Rasengan?

You can't say both and you can't say neither, none of that mess. You have to pick one out of these two.

 

[R4mbl3]

How bout Jiraiya for showing him how to do the Rasengan, and he prolly showed him a thing or two in chakra control making his Shadow Clone jutsu better.

Yeah, ima go with Jiraiya.

 

[namikaze12]

Tobirama, otherwise Naruto wouldn't have learnt Rasengan, but the scroll and Jiraya deserve more credit than both of them

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

ϟRasengan

Rasengan gets Naruto's kills and wins not shadow clones.

Sure he needs them to use it....but you forget sage mode, kcm arms, bm arms.

Rasengan no diff. ϟ ​

 

[TheCCV]

How bout Jiraiya for showing him how to do the Rasengan, and he prolly showed him a thing or two in chakra control making his Shadow Clone jutsu better.

Yeah, ima go with Jiraiya.

Dude, stop being complicated.
Just answer the question with the options given.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Tobirama, otherwise Naruto wouldn't have learnt Rasengan, but the scroll and Jiraya deserve more credit than both of them

How bout Jiraiya for showing him how to do the Rasengan, and he prolly showed him a thing or two in chakra control making his Shadow Clone jutsu better.

Yeah, ima go with Jiraiya.

No Minato included? Minato taught Jman rasengan...Minato gets all the credit lmao. ​

 

[iNotorious]

I think shadow clones, helped him to get SM!

 

[Ldude]

Minato saved him during the pein fight. That was bull. Naruto should be dead.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

I think shadow clones, helped him to get SM!

He doesn't even use shadow clones anymore...he uses KCM and BM but he will always use Rasengan in either mode.

Shadow clones only won him maybe 1 fight and that's Kiba?


EDIT: Wait...shadow clones could be easily substitution for substitution jutsu. ​

 

[R4mbl3]

Dude, stop being complicated.
Just answer the question with the options given.

Ok fine im sorry, Minato.

 

[sharingan17]

Zabuza, kakashi stated it was thanks to him and haku naruto is who he is now and iruka.
But shadow clone, without it he wouldn't have learn rasengan.

 

[Young Vongola]

ϟRasengan

Rasengan gets Naruto's kills and wins not shadow clones.

Sure he needs them to use it....but you forget sage mode, kcm arms, bm arms.

Rasengan no diff. ϟ ​

He needed shadow clones to perform Rasengan and master SM, they also helped him tame Kurama for KCM -> BM. So yeah...Tobirama and Shadow Clones definitely.

 

[EarlxSweatshirt]

Kage Bunshin, for obvious reasons

 

[Drakengard]

He wouldn't have been able to learn Rasengan as easily without shadow clones backing him up. He really needs both, but I feel like clones are vital in many different ways such as faster training (which helped him master wind release fast and became the key component behind learning FRS) and the fact that he uses them in many of his combat tactics. Rasengan helped him a lot, but in the end there are alternative attacks. They might not meet up to par, but there ARE alternatives.

But are you implying that Minato's benefit only included the Rasengan, or are you equaling the playing field?

 

[rakitha]

jirayiaZzzZzzZzzZzzZzz

 

[The Necromancer]

Tobirama. Without clones he couldn't use any of the skills he has now. He would have died with Iruka in the first chapter as well.

 

[Meee]

Tobirama, Naruto needed his clones until the war just to do the Rasengan

 

[Xēnovia.]

Shadow Clone...he can't make a simple Rasengan without it.​

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Shadow clones. He'd be no where near as strong as he is without them.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

He needed shadow clones to perform Rasengan and master SM, they also helped him tame Kurama for KCM -> BM. So yeah...Tobirama and Shadow Clones definitely.

That's bull though :|

That was made up at the last second by Kishi.

Hmmm....I guess, sure. Still made up though.

Tobirama doesn't seem capable of any of that stuff except water jutsu.

Also why Naruto? Minato can use shadow clone jutsu and he still can instantly use rasengan. Who down fall is that because he can't use it perfectly? ​