who can Zabuza beat in Akatsuki?

[Char Aznable]

baseless.

Don't forget that Zabuza rekted Kakashi shit with just a water clone and a water prison jutsu combination. Kakashi only escaped because of Naruto and Sasuke's ingenuity and cunning.

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[chopstickchakra]

baseless.

The manga disagrees

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Yeah a kakashi with no mangekyo, and not as skilled. Also i'd say it was a draw but i don't remember enough

Kakashi had his MS during the fight he just never used it because it wasn't thought of at the time but based on the timeline he had it since he unlocked it with Obito when Rin died.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Don't forget that Zabuza rekted Kakashi shit with just a water clone and a water prison jutsu combination. Kakashi only escaped because of Naruto and Sasuke's ingenuity and cunning.

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kakashi had to babysit 4 other people in that fight and as such altered the way he fights to protect them. To say zabuza wins while removing the people that held kakashi back is baseless.

 

[Mellanoma]

kakashi had to babysit 4 other people in that fight and as such altered the way he fights to protect them. To say zabuza wins while removing the people that held kakashi back is baseless.

Those same kids did save him so it could go either way. Kakashi knew the target was the bridge builder so naturally knowing Zabuza's target helped him in that fight tremendously. Dog summon would win it for Kakashi more than likely though

 

[unknownvillain1254]

He beat everybody but pain the bomb dude and kisame

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Those same kids did save him so it could go either way. Kakashi knew the target was the bridge builder so naturally knowing Zabuza's target helped him in that fight tremendously. Dog summon would win it for Kakashi more than likely though

Kakashi knowing that doesn't change his disadvantage.

Kakashi has to:
Protect bridge builder
Protect team 7
Beat zabuza

Zabuza has to:
kill bridge builder.


If its a 1v1 than kakashi wouldn't have to worry about stuff like this.

 

[Mellanoma]

Kakashi knowing that doesn't change his disadvantage.

Kakashi has to:
Protect bridge builder
Protect team 7
Beat zabuza

Zabuza has to:
kill bridge builder.


If its a 1v1 than kakashi wouldn't have to worry about stuff like this.

It was still a thinking game.

Remember both kakashi and zabuza used clones to counter one another while the real one sat in hiding. Rather there are people there or not the fight would still be very tactical.

Considering the situation the others being there simplied it as the fight was mainly focused on the bridge builder. Remove him and the kids and you will have a pretty intense guessing game

 

[Booker]

Zabuza beats Hidan, Zetsu, maybe Sasori although I wouldn't bank on it.

Kakauzu high-diffs him.

Deidara low-diffs him.

Tobi low-diffs him.

Itachi stomps.

Kisame stomps.

Pein stomps.

Konan high-diffs him.

Sasori high-diffs him.

 

[Booker]

Don't forget that Zabuza rekted Kakashi shit with just a water clone and a water prison jutsu combination. Kakashi only escaped because of Naruto and Sasuke's ingenuity and cunning.

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Even if we assume this is accurate, that's a testament to Zabuza's strength if anything.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It was still a thinking game.

Remember both kakashi and zabuza used clones to counter one another while the real one sat in hiding. Rather there are people there or not the fight would still be very tactical.

Considering the situation the others being there simplied it as the fight was mainly focused on the bridge builder. Remove him and the kids and you will have a pretty intense guessing game

not in the slightest kakashi's style is to not reveal himself until he can determine the full extent of his opponents abilities.

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had the kids/bridgebuilder not been there kakashi wound continue to send out clones in his stead until he has zabuza figured out entirely. but because he had to cover for others he gave himself up.

All of zabuza's tactics involved using the kids/builder to bait kakashi:

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[UnknownJin]

Kakashi knowing that doesn't change his disadvantage.

Kakashi has to:
Protect bridge builder
Protect team 7
Beat zabuza

Zabuza has to:
kill bridge builder.


If its a 1v1 than kakashi wouldn't have to worry about stuff like this.

If thats the case Zabuza had to take care of Kakashi, team 7 and the bridge builder

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If thats the case Zabuza had to take care of Kakashi, team 7 and the bridge builder

not really. his only goal was killing the bridge builder. Thats a win for him and he gets paid.

Kakashi cant let builder die cuz that results in a failed mission.
He also cant let his teammates die since that's simply not how he rolls. Any of those results as loss for kakashi.

 

[UnknownJin]

not really. his only goal was killing the bridge builder. Thats a win for him and he gets paid.

Kakashi cant let builder die cuz that results in a failed mission.
He also cant let his teammates die since that's simply not how he rolls. Any of those results as loss for kakashi.

That was his goal, but he had to pass thru Kakashi. After the mist he could easily take down Bridge builder and Team 7.
(talk about the story) and still outsmarted Kakashi even with the Sharingan. with water clones/taijutsu

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That was his goal, but he had to pass thru Kakashi. After the mist he could easily take down Bridge builder and Team 7.
(talk about the story) and still outsmarted Kakashi even with the Sharingan. with water clones/taijutsu

again he only achieved that by using the kids as bait.
He didn't try fight kakashi, he went straight for the bridge builder/team7, and kakashi has to play the defensive position.
Defend team7
Defend bridge builder
etc


the only time kakashi became the aggressor in either of their fights is when the team and builder stopped being a factor ha had to worry about/cover for.

And in that he immediately wiped the floor with zabuza.

 

[UnknownJin]

again he only achieved that by using the kids as bait.
He didn't try fight kakashi, he went straight for the bridge builder/team7, and kakashi has to play the defensive position.
Defend team7
Defend bridge builder
etc


the only time kakashi became the aggressor in either of their fights is when the team and builder stopped being a factor ha had to worry about/cover for.

And in that he immediately wiped the floor with zabuza.

Look... those kids still menaged to free Kakashi from the water prison. But he outsmarted Kakashi with double water clone and taijutsu. The fight was still 4v1 - Zabuza was alone . He had to think about the kids/bridge builder and Kakashi.
Not saying Kakashi is weak, but Zabuza is true Ninja Assassin and deserve much more respect then this.

Kakashi didnt wipe the floor with Zabuza... Zabuza was just confused... im busy right now ...

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but nothing changes the fact that Zabuza is a real Ninja Assassin.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Look... those kids still menaged to free Kakashi from the water prison. But he outsmarted Kakashi with double water clone and taijutsu. The fight was still 4v1 - Zabuza was alone . He had to think about the kids/bridge builder and Kakashi.

4v1 youre joking right? Team 7 was a liability, that couldn't even beat the water clone.

Not saying Kakashi is weak, but Zabuza is true Ninja Assassin and deserve much more respect then this.

more respect than what? losing to kakashi? do you know how many ppl lost to kakashi? You're making it seem like I'm shitting on the guy by stating this.

Kakashi didnt wipe the floor with Zabuza... Zabuza was just confused... im busy right now ...

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but nothing changes the fact that Zabuza is a real Ninja Assassin.

[/QUOTE] he put him in genjutsu while coping his techniques and executing them faster. It got to the point where kakashi had him convinced that he was reading his mind, and could see the future. If thats not wiping the floor then i don't know what is.

 

[UnknownJin]

that doesnt change the fact that Zabuza is a true Ninja Assassin. - Respect
for info- Kakashi had Sharingan.

Zabuza still had...

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dont talk shit because u know shit brate. re-watch the whole arc then talk untill then

 

[Mellanoma]

not in the slightest kakashi's style is to not reveal himself until he can determine the full extent of his opponents abilities.

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had the kids/bridgebuilder not been there kakashi wound continue to send out clones in his stead until he has zabuza figured out entirely. but because he had to cover for others he gave himself up.

All of zabuza's tactics involved using the kids/builder to bait kakashi:

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You just repeated what I said in the post you quoted lol.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You just repeated what I said in the post you quoted lol.

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no i didn't but whatever.