[VS] Whitebeard vs Garp (Prime)

[Hexuze]

In some translations, it's what Roger said. In other translations, he said he was cornered on multiple occasions and i trust that one more because it's what Garp had always been known for from public view(he has been introduced as such back in Water7) and when top tier fights, the public always know, yet he wasn't introduced as someone capable to almost kill Roger in a 1 on 1 fight, but rater as someone who could corner him and as stated, you don't need to be as strong as someone to be able to corner him. Shiki also corned Roger pirates with his fleet and almost defeated him if not for weather conditions that saved Roger and we also know Roger is the reckless type who never turns his back just like Ace, so him finding himself in such situations isn't hard to believe

Not to mention, we also don't know the timeline, we don't know when it happened. For example, in his historic as a pirate, guys like Lucci or Crocodile would be known as guys who almost killed Luffy, on multiple occasions in Crocodile's case, Smoker will be known as someone who almost captured Luffy on multiple occasions, and so on and so on, yet they won't be even close to him as a pirate, well except Smoker maybe

On the other side, logic dictates that they weren't that close

1- WB who was his actual equal became the world strongest man infront of Garp after he died
2- Even after weakening much worse than Garp, he still retained the WSM title
3- Garp and Sengoku had to team up to defeat someone weaker than Roger in a long battle that destroyed half marineford
4- Shiki implied that Sengoku and Garp couldn't capture Roger

Well what does the viz translation say?

 

[Ridoku X]

Ends in a tie. They both faint after a 10+ day battle. v_v

 

[Black Mamba]

He was on par with roger what does not make sense??
obviously roger was stronger than WB... :|

I'm not saying Roger being stronger than WB doesn't make sense, I'm saying why you said Garp>WB doesn't make sense.

Garp was Rogers rival so Garp>WB?

Roger and Garp were rivals, almost killed each other countless times. Roger and WB were also rivals and said to be equals.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Pirate king= the strongest pirate

Use logic...

You are saying me to use logic? In your post there is no logic at all, you used logical fallacy called - hasty generalization, before saying to someone to 'use logic' check what 'logic' is.

You are welcome.

1- Again that doesn;t disprove Garp being on their level, it just means WB was stronger.

2- Again that just means WB is stronger

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4- When did Shiki say this?

One Piece Chapter 0

 

[Punk Hazard]

Shiki never said that. He said it'd be dishonorable for Roger to be killed via Marine execution and someone at his level deserved better.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I am pretty sure he said something like "the likes of you could never capture Roger" or something along that line.

 

[U mAd]

You are saying me to use logic? In your post there is no logic at all, you used logical fallacy called - hasty generalization, before saying to someone to 'use logic' check what 'logic' is.

You are welcome.



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One Piece Chapter 0

shiki never said that garp couldn't have defeated him,he just said captured and thats 2 totally 2 different things.also in episode 0 garp clearly says he would be the one to defeat roger and knowing garp he would have not just said if he wasn't able to fight equally with roger wich roger alredy confirmed himself.

 

[loj]

Roger and Garp almost killed each other.Countless times.

Garp was the main rival not WB.

Im still saying Garp>WB.

Garp is pretty underrated...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Roger and Garp almost killed each other.Countless times.

Garp was the main rival not WB.

Im still saying Garp>WB.

Garp is pretty underrated...

Whitebeard was said to be the only man equal to Roger, so if Prime Garp was stronger than Prime Whitebeard, then that would also mean that Prime Garp is stronger than Roger.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

shiki never said that garp couldn't have defeated him,he just said captured and thats 2 totally 2 different things.also in episode 0 garp clearly says he would be the one to defeat roger and knowing garp he would have not just said if he wasn't able to fight equally with roger wich roger alredy confirmed himself.

Actually 2 pretty similar things.

If he defeat Roger, he could capture him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whitebeard was said to be the only man equal to Roger, so if Prime Garp was stronger than Prime Whitebeard, then that would also mean that Prime Garp is stronger than Roger.

People say this like it's not possible. Besides, this was said by Buggy. For all we know, Buggy never saw Roger and Garp fight, but witnessed Roger and Whitebeard fight.

 

[ultraChalk]

I think that in their prime WB was stronger, but Garp has overall better health so that changed later on.

I honestly think it's way too close to say since all we have is very vague statements made by numerous people before that are interpreted differently by everybody, and we don't know what either of them were like in their prime.

 

[TheHokage]

I'd have to say Garp if I'm being honest but it would be the highest of difficulty to pull a victory and I'm fairly certain Garp would probably be in such a bad state he'd die afterwards anyway.

 

[U mAd]

Actually 2 pretty similar things.

If he defeat Roger, he could capture him.

well at the time the admiral trio wasn't that strong the 3 greats were kong,sengoku and garp and only garp is confirmed to be able to go head to head with roger.the marines ain't sending all of their strongest fighters after roger they would just send 1 or it was garp himself who just kept catching up with roger and fighting him.so even if roger was defeated he would have a strong crew including rayleigh to back him up so garp couldn't have been able to capture him even if he defeated roger and also shiki wasn't shown to be very intelligent?(seeing how he went up against garp and sengoku togather)so his words might or were from the frustation of him being weaker then roger and not achiving his own goals.since when did shiki and buggy's crap talk became more relavent then the last heart to heart conversation the pirate king had with a trusted person.

"the two of us have neary killed each other so many times"-gold d roger
so fak shiki and fak buggy

 

[Zorø]

Whitebeard would obviously win....He was scary in his prime...Not saying Garp wasnt also.....All 3 of them were monsters but....Whitebeard>Garp because when Roger died whitebeard gained the title of Worlds strongest man not Garp U_U.

 

[A v i]

Whitebeard is the one to attain WSM title even when both of them are alive so of course Whitebeard wins. Even Sengoku implied that Whitebeard can bend the battle into his favor despite having like 5 admiral level fighters on his side which says something about that guy.

 

[Rιver]

Whitebeard mid diff.

It took Garp and Sengoku to stop Shiki in his tracks. Shiki got clowned by Roger with massive advantage and Roger was roughly equal with Whitebeard, more or less.

Saying Garp is anywhere near Roger or Whitebeard just means you have greatly misinterpreted the canon manga. Only fair fight is old Whitebeard, pretty sure he dies though to prime Garp.

Shiki never said that. He said it'd be dishonorable for Roger to be killed via Marine execution and someone at his level deserved better.

He said both.

 

[OG sama]

Some of you need to get your facts straight Roger was never said to be stronger than WB. Buggy even said Whitebeard was the only man who could equal Roger.

 

[Amaterasu]

Whitebeard wins mid-high diff

Garp is way too much overrated here

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whitebeard mid diff.

It took Garp and Sengoku to stop Shiki in his tracks. Shiki got clowned by Roger with massive advantage and Roger was roughly equal with Whitebeard, more or less.

Saying Garp is anywhere near Roger or Whitebeard just means you have greatly misinterpreted the canon manga. Only fair fight is old Whitebeard, pretty sure he dies though to prime Garp.



He said both.

As someone said above, they most likely double teamed him to reduce the damage to Marineford. It seems that people don't realize that the Marines and their families live at Marineford and it was evacuated for the war. Shiki surprised them there, so the citizens were probably still there.