[VS] Whitebeard vs Garp (Prime)

[kageking]

Garp was fighting Roger and considered on equal footing to him so I'd give it to Garp at max diff.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

I don't mind people saying Garp extreme diff, but your reasoning @bold makes zero sense.

He was on par with roger what does not make sense??
obviously roger was stronger than WB... :|

 

[loj]

U may slam me but im going with Garp.

He was Rogers rival and was on par with him.Knowing how strong Rogers must have been.

I don't care how much it lasts.

 

[bajram]

It was never implied that Garp was Roger's rival, stop pulling things out of ur arse, it was implied that they almost killed each other at an indefinite time in the past, it was never implied that that was when he was the PK or something while Buggy himself who was a pirate at the PK ship himself implied that WB was the only person in the world who tied in a fight against Roger the pirate king if anything nothing implies that even Roger himself is above WB just because he was the PK since we have the flashback when WB knew the location of OP but was never interested in it, there is a reason that after Rogers death the one who was WSM was WB and not Garp.

WB high-extreme diff.

 

[U mAd]

Garp extreme max diff. would lose a limb or 2.
duration:12+ days if ace vs jimbei vs 5 days and aokiji vs akainu vs 7 days then 12 is possible.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Garp mid diff's this long chinned clown..


In all seriousness WB Extreme diff after taking some great damage in a multiple day battle.

 

[David1996]

Garp extreme-diff. in a 10 days battle.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Garp extreme diff

Roger>WB since roger was the pirate king>>

garp was rogers rival.

so Garp>>WB

Pirate King has nothing to do with power. For one, Roger was given the title by the people of the world because his crew was the only one to travel around the world, not because of his strength. The title of Pirate King is cosmetic, it's not a rank of power like World's Strongest Swordsman or World's Strongest Man.

Secondly, Roger offered to tell Whitebeard how he accomplished what he did, and Whitebeard declined to know. This indicates that Roger becoming Pirate King had much more to do with his knowledge than his strength, otherwise, why would Whitebeard need to know what he knows in order to accomplish it himself?

Thirdly, becoming Pirate King relies more on your crew than your strength. To become Pirate King, Roger had to sail all around the world, which required Tom to build him an extraordinary ship. To do it now, you need to find One Piece. Neither standards of being Pirate King, back then or in present day, rely on power, but relies on a feat that depends on having a crew. You could be the strongest person in the world, and you wouldn't be able to become Pirate King if you didn't have a crew to support your voyage around the world.

Whitebeard was also stated to be Roger's equal in combat.

 

[Bogard]

Garp is so overrated, all that because of a mistranslation that doesn't even prove anything

 

[Punk Hazard]

Garp is so overrated, all that because of a mistranslation that doesn't even prove anything

What mistranslation?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

If Garp is equal to Roger and Roger is equal to Edward, so is the same between Garp and Edward. This fight would end up tie.

End of the story.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

obviously roger was stronger than WB... :|

Could you prove this.

I don't seee 'obviously' and I think there are few people besides me that don't see 'obviously' that Roger > WB.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Garp and Roger almost killing each other means that they are close in power, not necessarily equal. Whitebeard was stated to be Roger's only equal. So WB extreme diff in my opinion.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Could you prove this.

I don't seee 'obviously' and I think there are few people besides me that don't see 'obviously' that Roger > WB.

Pirate king= the strongest pirate

Use logic...

 

[giostep]

Tied.

 

[Bogard]

What mistranslation?

He was known for cornering Roger on multiple situations. You can corner someone without even being close to his power

 

[Hexuze]

Garp is so overrated, all that because of a mistranslation that doesn't even prove anything

Well it's not just that. Iirc wasn't it also stated that they almost killed each other countless times? Not to mention, there was a fierce rivalry.

 

[-Akuma-]

He was known for cornering Roger on multiple situations. You can corner someone without even being close to his power

So him and nearly killing each other countless of times is a mis trans lol

 

[Bogard]

Well it's not just that. Iirc wasn't it also stated that they almost killed each other countless times? Not to mention, there was a fierce rivalry.

In some translations, it's what Roger said. In other translations, he said he was cornered on multiple occasions and i trust that one more because it's what Garp had always been known for from public view(he has been introduced as such back in Water7) and when top tier fights, the public always know, yet he wasn't introduced as someone capable to almost kill Roger in a 1 on 1 fight, but rater as someone who could corner him and as stated, you don't need to be as strong as someone to be able to corner him. Shiki also corned Roger pirates with his fleet and almost defeated him if not for weather conditions that saved Roger and we also know Roger is the reckless type who never turns his back just like Ace, so him finding himself in such situations isn't hard to believe

Not to mention, we also don't know the timeline, we don't know when it happened. For example, in his historic as a pirate, guys like Lucci or Crocodile would be known as guys who almost killed Luffy, on multiple occasions in Crocodile's case, Smoker will be known as someone who almost captured Luffy on multiple occasions, and so on and so on, yet they won't be even close to him as a pirate, well except Smoker maybe

On the other side, logic dictates that they weren't that close

1- WB who was his actual equal became the world strongest man infront of Garp after he died
2- Even after weakening much worse than Garp, he still retained the WSM title
3- Garp and Sengoku had to team up to defeat someone weaker than Roger in a long battle that destroyed half marineford
4- Shiki implied that Sengoku and Garp couldn't capture Roger

 

[-Akuma-]

In some translations, it's what Roger said. In other translations, he said he was cornered on multiple occasions and i trust that one more because it's what Garp had always been known for from public view(he has been introduced as such back in Water7) and when top tier fights, the public always know, yet he wasn't introduced as someone capable to almost kill Roger in a 1 on 1 fight, but rater as someone who could corner him and as stated, you don't need to be as strong as someone to be able to corner him. Shiki also corned Roger pirates with his fleet and almost defeated him if not for weather conditions that saved Roger and we also know Roger is the reckless type who never turns his back just like Ace, so him finding himself in such situations isn't hard to believe

Not to mention, we also don't know the timeline, we don't know when it happened. For example, in his historic as a pirate, guys like Lucci or Crocodile would be known as guys who almost killed Luffy, on multiple occasions in Crocodile's case, Smoker will be known as someone who almost captured Luffy on multiple occasions, and so on and so on, yet they won't be even close to him as a pirate, well except Smoker maybe

On the other side, logic dictates that they weren't that close

1- WB who was his actual equal became the world strongest man infront of Garp after he died
2- Even after weakening much worse than Garp, he still retained the WSM title
3- Garp and Sengoku had to team up to defeat someone weaker than Roger in a long battle that destroyed half marineford
4- Shiki implied that Sengoku and Garp couldn't capture Roger

@Bold you know that's a lie, Garp in his prime probably has the best hype and portrayal as a marine.

You can't compare Lucci and Croc situation with Luffy to Garp's situations with Roger. Garp constantly chased Roger around and most likely butt headed heads on multiple occasions unlike Croc or Lucci. In fact Garp and Roger is more like Smoker and Luffy if they fought every time they fought.

1- Again that doesn;t disprove Garp being on their level, it just means WB was stronger.
2- Again that just means WB is stronger
3- That situation isn't really fair on Garp, him and Sengoku most likely had to hold back from destroying Marineford, while Shiki didn't care.
4- When did Shiki say this?