[VS] Whitebeard vs Garp (Prime)

[Forbidden Tale]

People say this like it's not possible. Besides, this was said by Buggy. For all we know, Buggy never saw Roger and Garp fight, but witnessed Roger and Whitebeard fight.

Possibilty sure exist. But way more likely (at the moment) is 'WB is stronger'.

It's also nearly not possible for Buggy not to witnessed Roger and Garp's fight (even less likely than above said). Buggy was already on the ship during battle with Shiki, at that time Garp and Roger already knew each other. Roger got title 'pirate king' after his battle with Shiki, and I doubt Garp never cornered Roger, during his time of "conquering" the New World.

well at the time the admiral trio wasn't that strong the 3 greats were kong,sengoku and garp and only garp is confirmed to be able to go head to head with roger.

Kong was FA. Sengoku was Admiral at that time (I think?) and Garp was VC (didn't want to go higher).

I would say that Admiral trio at that time was stronger than Color trio, or current.

Sengoku is the guy who was rival to Shiki. Shiki without a doubt was one of the top 3 pirates in the world. Quality of pirates should also be greater back than, considering that WB in his old age was still considered strongest man in the world and therefore strongest than current Yonkos (at least at the time of MF), imagine his power in prime, then Roger who was his equal and Shiki who was likely not far behind them. Possible these tree pirates at their prime was stronger than current Yonkos. So marines top dogs should also be strongest then currents (thinking about Garp and Sengoku, Kong is unknown to us) like Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Fujitora etc.

We don't know how much powerful other two admirals at that time were, but I think it's same to assume that they were at least around Fujitora's level.

the marines ain't sending all of their strongest fighters after roger they would just send 1 or it was garp himself who just kept catching up with roger and fighting him.

Why not? If I remember correctly both Senogku and Garp left in Strong World.

Garp alone haven't even got to catch Straw Hat Pirates. I really doubt he went alone or without a backup.

so even if roger was defeated he would have a strong crew including rayleigh to back him up so garp couldn't have been able to capture him even if he defeated roger

If that's true, then Garp would never been close to killing Roger. And Roger would never been close to killing Garp, since his crew saved his ass every time.

and also shiki wasn't shown to be very intelligent?(seeing how he went up against garp and sengoku togather)so his words might or were from the frustation of him being weaker then roger and not achiving his own goals.since when did shiki and buggy's crap talk became more relavent then the last heart to heart conversation the pirate king had with a trusted person.

"the two of us have neary killed each other so many times"-gold d roger

so fak shiki and fak buggy

It's not really okay, to say that he wasn't very intelligent because of that.

Roger never run from fight, if so he is not very intelligent himself, so you should say fak Roger, when quoting him.

As someone said above, they most likely double teamed him to reduce the damage to Marineford. It seems that people don't realize that the Marines and their families live at Marineford and it was evacuated for the war. Shiki surprised them there, so the citizens were probably still there.

Then it seems Kong (and other high marines) doesn't really care about other marines and their families.

I am pretty sure if Shiki fought with his rival and Garp (man who in that case should be stronger) half of Marineford wouldn't be destroyed.

 

[ToshiZO]

Garp is the same guy who was struggling with Chinjao.

No where is it stated Roger and Garp are equals. Heck no one can even prove Roger himself is above WB in strength because the two are confirmed equals.

Who had the title of Worlds Strongest Man? Was it Garp?

Lol I get arguing with Kaidos title but people are denying a title like Worlds Strongest Man now? Was Garp a fish? Just goes to show you people will distort facts to match their own agenda.

 

[-Akuma-]

Garp is the same guy who was struggling with Chinjao.

No where is it stated Roger and Garp are equals. Heck no one can even prove Roger himself is above WB in strength because the two are confirmed equals.

Who had the title of Worlds Strongest Man? Was it Garp?

Lol I get arguing with Kaidos title but people are denying a title like Worlds Strongest Man now? Was Garp a fish? Just goes to show you people will distort facts to match their own agenda.

One Shotting Prime Chinjao who's actually really strong is struggling?

Never stated they were equals but nearly killing each other multiple times but they on a similar footing.

I agree, Garp loses but people are trying to downplay him.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Wb takes it extreme diff

 

[ToshiZO]

One Shotting Prime Chinjao who's actually really strong is struggling?

Never stated they were equals but nearly killing each other multiple times but they on a similar footing.

I agree, Garp loses but people are trying to downplay him.

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I dunno about you but to me
-yelling at the top of your lungs
-grinding your teeth
-sweating bricks

are all signs of a struggle.

Look through this thread a lot of people are putting him ahead of Whitebeard. The few that are underrating him are just doing so as a repercussion, trying to make their point across that WB is superior.

This fight would be high-extreme diff for WB, its not really arguable who wins imo but it will be difficult.

 

[-Akuma-]

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I dunno about you but to me
-yelling at the top of your lungs
-grinding your teeth
-sweating bricks

are all signs of a struggle.

Look through this thread a lot of people are putting him ahead of Whitebeard. The few that are underrating him are just doing so as a repercussion, trying to make their point across that WB is superior.

This fight would be high-extreme diff for WB, its not really arguable who wins imo but it will be difficult.

-Chinjao was the only one yelling.
-He did grind his teeth simply because it was a bit of struggle.
-He had 3 beads of sweat, by no means was he sweating buckets.

So he struggled in the clash a bit he still one shot him, you wer implying that it was hard to put Chinjao down while overall it wasn't. Using that logic would be G4less Luffy on the same level as Flathead Chinjao.

 

[Bogard]

-Chinjao was the only one yelling.
-He did grind his teeth simply because it was a bit of struggle.
-He had 3 beads of sweat, by no means was he sweating buckets.

So he struggled in the clash a bit he still one shot him, you wer implying that it was hard to put Chinjao down while overall it wasn't. Using that logic would be G4less Luffy on the same level as Flathead Chinjao.

Dude Garp said he had to train even before facing Chinjao. He obviously struggled. Because it ended in a single clash doesn't mean it didn't since it was a double edge sword type of clash. The one who would have lost, would have lost his main weapon

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Guys, you don't know how strong Prime Chinjao was and you don't know did Garp get stronger after the fight with him, it's very possible that he did.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dude Garp said he had to train even before facing Chinjao. He obviously struggled. Because it ended in a single clash doesn't mean it didn't since it was a double edge sword type of clash. The one who would have lost, would have lost his main weapon

So Garp trained and that gave him the boost to one-shoot Chinjao.

 

[Bogard]

So Garp trained and that gave him the boost to one-shoot Chinjao.

Hyarujin one shotted Machvise? Would you say he didn't struggle from the clash?

Guys, you don't know how strong Prime Chinjao was and you don't know did Garp get stronger after the fight with him, it's very possible that he did.

I do think Prime Chinjao was strong, much stronger than his old self. He went from a continent buster to a town splitter. The difference is massive. It's just that he is underrated. Garp probably grew stronger, but i doubt he was that much stronger in his prime

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hyarujin one shotted Machvise? Would you say he didn't struggle from the clash?
I do think Prime Chinjao was strong, much stronger than his old self. He went from a continent buster to a town splitter. The difference is massive. It's just that he is underrated. Garp probably grew stronger, but i doubt he was that much stronger in his prime

It's still a one-shot.

 

[Bogard]

It's still a one-shot.

Yes it was, but a type of one shot that could have also gone the way around

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes it was, but a type of one shot that could have also gone the way around

And it didn't. Garp was superior.

 

[Kamui Sama]

would be a great fight. I'm going with WB extreme diff but I really want to see more of prime garp

 

[TrillKing]

Ends in a draw and why the hell would a marine carry a title
which usually goes to the pirates seen throughout this series.

 

[U mAd]

Yes it was, but a type of one shot that could have also gone the way around

here's how a battle where 2 haki using non DF works man.the winner is decided on who has better
-power
-speed
-endurance
-tactics/strategy
-stamina
-mastery of haki
so if someone got one shotted by another it means that the winner overpowerd the loser in all those attributes.so it means chinjao had less power,speed,endurance and tactically got beat.if chinjao was even a challenge for garp he would not have been one shotted and chinjao prime could destroy continents.

 

[Rιver]

As someone said above, they most likely double teamed him to reduce the damage to Marineford. It seems that people don't realize that the Marines and their families live at Marineford and it was evacuated for the war. Shiki surprised them there, so the citizens were probably still there.

Half of Marineford reduced to rubble. Very much reduce. It's still pretty obvious Garp is clearly not on same level as Roger, Shiki or Whitebeard.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Half of Marineford reduced to rubble. Very much reduce. It's still pretty obvious Garp is clearly not on same level as Roger, Shiki or Whitebeard.

Considering two top tiers took out an island, I think half of MF being reduced is clear sign that that fight didn't reach the full destructive potential it had.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Half of Marineford reduced to rubble. Very much reduce. It's still pretty obvious Garp is clearly not on same level as Roger, Shiki or Whitebeard.

Considering two top tiers took out an island, I think half of MF being reduced is clear sign that that fight didn't reach the full destructive potential it had.

 

[Rιver]

Considering two top tiers took out an island, I think half of MF being reduced is clear sign that that fight didn't reach the full destructive potential it had.

You can't compare island to Marineford. It's literally the HQ of Marines. Even Whitebeard with suicide spam, hell his entire crew couldn't take down Marineford base. Reducing Marineford to half its size with no back-up is a massive feat.