[Discussion] Whitebeard is Stronger than Garp

[Forbidden Tale]

2-but it was stated by Gol D roger( THE PIRTATE KING) himself, that him and garp "nearly killed EACH OTHER MULTIPLE TIMES"
a more credible source than buggy.

What you people fail to understand is that "nearly killing each other" doesn't mean that both are equals.

I will copy what I writte in other thread:

If Garp with a lot of back up was able to nearly kill Roger, it fit Roger's statament.
If Garp was able to nearly kill Roger, while latter was ill, it fit Roger's statement.
If Garp was in some advantage over Roger and nearly killed Roger in fight (same as Enel vs Luffy), it fit Roger's statamet, but that don't say that they are equal!

 

[Blazing Phoenix]

1-im not trying to take his DF away, is that other guy who is saying that he is Physically stronger than everyone EVEN without his DF.

2-but it was stated by Gol D roger( THE PIRTATE KING) himself, that him and garp "nearly killed EACH OTHER MULTIPLE TIMES"
a more credible source than buggy.

AGAIN....whitebeard was deemed the "world strongest man" not because of his physical strength, but because he had "the power to destroy the world"...as sengoku mentioned.

2. That doesn't necessarily mean they're equal. If they're equal then why was WB called the Strongest Man In The World after Roger's death? He was extremely ill and sick yet they gave him that title. Why? Because they were never equal. Roger and WB were on a completely different tier.

3. Kaido's epithet is "World Strongest Creature". Does that mean he could destroy the world?

 

[crono0929]

What you people fail to understand is that "nearly killing each other" doesn't mean that both are equals.

I will copy what I writte in other thread:

if you dont mind, can you elaborate?

and its funny how in every scenario, it "fits rogers statement.

what if garp had fodder marines and had to fights roger's entire crew?
what if roger had an advantage(ie ancient weapon)

and where does it say that whitebeard managed to equal roger in roger's prime and not when roger was ill?

it doesn't.....SO....till oda clears it up, i will go by the manga and any of the fanfiction wont matter.

 

[TheHokage]

What you people fail to understand is that "nearly killing each other" doesn't mean that both are equals.

I will copy what I writte in other thread:

What you posted is a baseless statement as it's just as easily turned around

- If Garp and Roger where even in strength it would fit Roger's statement.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

if you dont mind, can you elaborate?

and its funny how in every scenario, it "fits rogers statement.

what if garp had fodder marines and had to fights roger's entire crew?
what if roger had an advantage(ie ancient weapon)

I'm glad that you mention this. Yes, it can be turn over and...

If Roger with a lot of back up was able to nearly kill Garp, it fit Roger's statament.
If Roger was able to nearly kill Roger, while latter was ill, it fit Roger's statement.
If Roger was in some advantage over Garp and nearly killed Garp in fight (same as Enel vs Luffy), it fit Roger's statamet, but that don't say that they are equal!

but, do you really think that Roger would currently be weaker than any other characters in OP, considering that he is Pirate (pirates > marines, not in a sense of power, but in the sense of importance, pirates are "mainer") and not just that he is pirate but he is also Pirate King and all that hype he got.

and where does it say that whitebeard managed to equal roger in roger's prime and not when roger was ill?

it doesn't.....SO....till oda clears it up, i will go by the manga and any of the fanfiction wont matter.

Buggy clearly stated that both of them were equal, Roger being ill, would be very good information and Buggy would't miss that.
Also, even if ill, by Buggy statament WB was still only person to fight equal with Roger, if we go by assumption, Garp couldn't even fight equal with Sick Roger.

What fanfiction you are talking about? Buggy's words are clear ("the only man"), unlike Roger's which can mean a lot of things. When you put these two together (The only man is the WB, and we nearly killled each other, though with unknown situations).

What you posted is a baseless statement as it's just as easily turned around

- If Garp and Roger where even in strength it would fit Roger's statement.

Why would Buggy say than "The only man who fought tied with Roger"??

 

[TheHokage]

Why would Buggy say than "The only man who fought tied with Roger"??

Could have been a sick Roger Whitebeard tied with and it was only the once so he may have only been able to tie with Roger when he was sick, see speculation is a funny thing you can't take everything a character says by face value especially Buggy who is more than likely going to run away from Whitebeard than stay and watch them fight.

 

[Zorø]

1-im not trying to take his DF away, is that other guy who is saying that he is Physically stronger than everyone EVEN without his DF.

2-but it was stated by Gol D roger( THE PIRTATE KING) himself, that him and garp "nearly killed EACH OTHER MULTIPLE TIMES"
a more credible source than buggy.

AGAIN....whitebeard was deemed the "world strongest man" not because of his physical strength, but because he had "the power to destroy the world"...as sengoku mentioned.

I never said he was stronger than everyone......just Garp U_U.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

What you posted is a baseless statement as it's just as easily turned around

- If Garp and Roger where even in strength it would fit Roger's statement.

True, but why would Buggy say than "The only man who fought tied with Roger" and miss while sick?

Buggy words were "the only man", so even if Roger was sick and WB was the only man, it also say that WB is above Garp.

Also, speculation is used when you have vague stataments like Roger's, Buggy's is pretty clear. I also said that my speculations can pretty much be turn in Garp's favour, that he was one actually stronger, but as I said above, it's quite unlikely.

One more thing. It order for Shiki to be defeated both Sengoku and Garp needed to fight him and Shiki was not strong as Roger, but that Shiki wasn't strong as WB, you can also see in which manner WB talk with Shiki, it all lead to assumption that he was stronger than Shiki. I will repeat that both Sengoku and Garp were needed to fight Shiki.

 

[Itachi Minato]

True, but why would Buggy say than "The only man who fought tied with Roger" and miss while sick?

Buggy words were "the only man", so even if Roger was sick and WB was the only man, it also say that WB is above Garp.

Also, speculation is used when you have vague stataments like Roger's, Buggy's is pretty clear. I also said that my speculations can pretty much be turn in Garp's favour, that he was one actually stronger, but as I said above, it's quite unlikely.

One more thing. It order for Shiki to be defeated both Sengoku and Garp needed to fight him and Shiki was not strong as Roger, but that Shiki wasn't strong as WB, you can also see in which manner WB talk with Shiki, it all lead to assumption that he was stronger than Shiki. I will repeat that both Sengoku and Garp were needed to fight Shki.

Where did it say that both Garp and sengoku were needed ? It makes more sense for both of them to fight since he invaded headquarters and deal with him quickly. It doesnt mean they couldnt deal with him by themselves. Anyway as far as im concerned and the manga suggests WB=Garp. We dont know what kind of circumstances they fought in so what is the problem with putting them as equals ?

 

[crono0929]

and they still keep going with "buggy said"

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LOOK AT WHAT THE PIRATE KING HIMSELF SAID....

for god sakes, who cares about what buggy says, he was probably hiding and missed the battle anyway...

 

[Bogard]

I'll just repeat what i already said in the other thread

Garp one of the most overrated one piece character. Yes Roger did say he cornered him on multiple occasions, but we don't know exactly how, neither do we know the means he used to use to accomplish that. Not to mention we don't know as well when exactly he managed this.

Crocodile almost killed Luffy twice, but he is nowhere near his level now. Lucci almost killed Luffy, but he is nowhere near his level now. Smoker cornered Luffy on multiple occasions, but he is not on Luffy's level anymore. It could have happened when Roger wasn't in his prime. Many things can be speculated around those lines without actually meaning Garp was close let alone equal to Roger's level

What we do know for a fact however is that

1- Garp the one who spent his time chasing Roger wasn't even acknowledged as Roger's equal by someone who spent his lifetime with him by being his crewmate(Buggy), saying only WB equalled him

2- He needed Sengoku's help to defeat Shiki(not on Roger's level) in a battle that destroyed half of marineford

3- WB with age and disease issues was considered the strongest man in the world. How can Garp grow that much worse than someone old and sickened to the point of being under constant medic attention if he was comparable to him(if not stronger like someone says) in the past?

Everything suggest Roger >= Prime WB > Garp

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Where did it say that both Garp and sengoku were needed ? It makes more sense for both of them to fight since he invaded headquarters and deal with him quickly. It doesnt mean they couldnt deal with him by themselves. Anyway as far as im concerned and the manga suggests WB=Garp. We dont know what kind of circumstances they fought in so what is the problem with putting them as equals ?

In the fight half od Marineford was destroyed, if truly at least one of them was stronger and he had back up from other who is also one of "biggest figures" in world, fight would be much shorter and wouldn't end with part of marineford being destroyed.

Also, from dialogue, you can see that Sengoku and Shiki were rivals, something like Garp and Roger. If Sengoku feelt like there is no need for both of them to take on Shiki, I'm sure that he as his rival would fight alone against Shiki.

I didn't say that WB = Garp or even WB < Garp is impossible (quite unlikely), I just say that there is more to say that WB is stronger, than other way around.

There is no problem, this is calling discussion.

 

[Blazing Phoenix]

I'll just repeat what i already said in the other thread

Garp one of the most overrated one piece character. Yes Roger did say he cornered him on multiple occasions, but we don't know exactly how, neither do we know the means he used to use to accomplish that. Not to mention we don't know as well when exactly he managed this.

Crocodile almost killed Luffy twice, but he is nowhere near his level now. Lucci almost killed Luffy, but he is nowhere near his level now. Smoker cornered Luffy on multiple occasions, but he is not on Luffy's level anymore. It could have happened when Roger wasn't in his prime. Many things can be speculated around those lines without actually meaning Garp was close let alone equal to Roger's level

What we do know for a fact however is that

1- Garp the one who spent his time chasing Roger wasn't even acknowledged as Roger's equal by someone who spent his lifetime with him by being his crewmate(Buggy), saying only WB equalled him

2- He needed Sengoku's help to defeat Shiki(not on Roger's level) in a battle that destroyed half of marineford

3- WB with age and disease issues was considered the strongest man in the world. How can Garp grow that much worse than someone old and sickened to the point of being under constant medic attention if he was comparable to him(if not stronger like someone says) in the past?

Everything suggest Roger >= Prime WB > Garp

Best post I've seen so far. Round of applause.

Beautiful.

 

[crono0929]

I'll just repeat what i already said in the other thread

Garp one of the most overrated one piece character. Yes Roger did say he cornered him on multiple occasions, but we don't know exactly how, neither do we know the means he used to use to accomplish that. Not to mention we don't know as well when exactly he managed this.

Crocodile almost killed Luffy twice, but he is nowhere near his level now. Lucci almost killed Luffy, but he is nowhere near his level now. Smoker cornered Luffy on multiple occasions, but he is not on Luffy's level anymore. It could have happened when Roger wasn't in his prime. Many things can be speculated around those lines without actually meaning Garp was close let alone equal to Roger's level

What we do know for a fact however is that

1- Garp the one who spent his time chasing Roger wasn't even acknowledged as Roger's equal by someone who spent his lifetime with him by being his crewmate(Buggy), saying only WB equalled him

2- He needed Sengoku's help to defeat Shiki(not on Roger's level) in a battle that destroyed half of marineford

3- WB with age and disease issues was considered the strongest man in the world. How can Garp grow that much worse than someone old and sickened to the point of being under constant medic attention if he was comparable to him(if not stronger like someone says) in the past?

Everything suggest Roger >= Prime WB > Garp

1-you should have stopped in there, if you dont know, why make a full post of assumptions?

2-how do you know this? crocodile and lucci were both powerful before the time skip, how do you know they didn't learn Haki and went out to the new world?, we know crocodile did.

3- but it could have happened in rogers prime, fact is roger said they had fought so many times BOTH NEARLY DYING ,that he considered garp to be one of his NAKAMA, yes a pirate said that to a marine....and how do you know that whitebeared tied with roger in his prime and not before his prime or when he was sick?

4- he was aknowledged by roger himself...

5-again, talking out of the a$$, where does it say that he needed sengoku?, they both beat the crap out of him to get it done faster, and what if sengoku needed garp?

again, it was a title he maintained because his DF power and the level of destruction it can achieve....

 

[Bogard]

1-you should have stopped in there, if you dont know, why make a full post of assumptions?

To explain that you don't need to be as strong as someone to be capable to kill/corner him. To explain that people don't have the same growth rate

2-how do you know this? crocodile and lucci were both powerful before the time skip, how do you know they didn't learn Haki and went out to the new world?, we know crocodile did.

Doesn't matter anyway. If you believe they are still close to him, good for you. The point however is to show that it's not because you're close/equal/stronger than someone at some point, that it will remain like this forever. We don't know when exactly Garp cornered him

3- but it could have happened in rogers prime, fact is roger said they had fought so many times BOTH NEARLY DYING ,that he considered garp to be one of his NAKAMA, yes a pirate said that to a marine....and how do you know that whitebeared tied with roger in his prime and not before his prime or when he was sick?

There are translations who says "cornering" instead of "nearly dying", so i can't say for sure, but like i've said we don't know know the means he used, the situation he was in. Neither do we know when and how it happened. Shiki cornered Roger with a great load of battleships himself and Roger was only saved due to luck with weather. Doesn't matter as well if Roger was in his prime when Whitebeard tied with him or not. The fact remain he is the only one Buggy acknowledged. Garp was nowhere to be seen despite chasing him constantly

4- he was aknowledged by roger himself...

See above

5-again, talking out of the a$$, where does it say that he needed sengoku?, they both beat the crap out of him to get it done faster, and what if sengoku needed garp?

Whether both were needed or not isn't the point. The point is to show that even together they couldn't defeat someone inferior to Roger easily. The battle was long enough that half marineford was destroyed. Doesn't sound like an ass-whoping to me. Note as well that Shiki said they were too weak to be capable to capture Roger

again, it was a title he maintained because his DF power and the level of destruction it can achieve....

Proof of this?

 

[TheHokage]

Whether both were needed or not isn't the point. The point is to show that even together they couldn't defeat someone inferior to Roger easily. The battle was long enough that half marineford was destroyed. Doesn't sound like an ass-whoping to me. Note as well that Shiki said they were too weak to be capable to capture Roger

In fairness Shiki's DF has an unbelievable destructive capability he can make anything he touches levitate, not to mention Shiki was never actully truly defeated by Roger when you think about it...

Another note on this Shiki meant the entire Marines as a sum not Garp or Sengoku which is fair since the majority of the marines are fodder.

 

[MickNerks]

Don't think so. Garp once went toe to toe with Roger. Both Garp and WB were old but Garp wasn't on salines like WB. They are almost at par with Garp being somewhat stronger.

^^^ I agree with this

 

[Red Swag]

Dont be believin buggy. Hes buggy. Lol. Now if shanks said that then go.