which jutsu is stronger kirin or sm frs

[shelke]

People get so emotional over neg reps and don't take it like men, but rather like back-arching little b**ches.

:kd:

1. It's naturally occurring. It's the same as when Kakashi used Water Dragon Vs Zabuza using the lake as a source of water. High level users can use elemental jutsu without the source being nearby. If one were to use Katon in that instance, would Katon literally have no effect? That's incorrect, It would Whether or not it has Natural Energy is irrelevant as it would require Sage Mode in order to bring it out.

Kirin is unique as it calls upon Natural occurring lightning (with prep), requires little chakra to control it and is incredibly fast and damaging.

But in the end it still gets countered because it is a element and that's the laws of the manga.

2. Even if the raiton is focused both jutsu are of the same rank. Despite that, it's going against something that counters it elementally. How focused did you think Indra's arrow was? And what happened to that?

And, you are still missing the point. That water is controlled with chakra. This isn't. How are these two things the same?

Which has nothing to do with Kirin's own makeup; it has no chakra within it.

Based on what? I just told you the laws stated by the canon manga itself. If you want to disregard them, then be my guest. Don't try to create arguments that merely suit you.

Rank means nothing in regards to Jutsus' power. Maybe, you should look into the Databook IV or Kakashi's statements from the manga. Indra's Arrow was staemated by not one, but two FRS attacks. You just proved me right.

 

[Detonator99]

People get so emotional over neg reps and don't take it like men, but rather like back-arching little b**ches.

:kd:

Ahh... so how many times have you neg rep me? but of course after i called you out on your secretly messages crap and neg rep you for the first time you get all defensive like a little b**ch.

But that is expected from a guy who has a Dog as Ava and sig :lol

 

[shelke]

Ahh... so how many times have you neg rep me? but of course after i called you out on your secretly messages crap and neg rep you for the first time you get all defensive like a little b**ch.

But that is expected from a guy who has a Dog as Ava and sig :lol

Where did I even mention that you negged me (you alone did that)? See? Between you and me, you raise that rump higher.

:kd:

 

[NarutoX28]

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Says the delusional sausage fap thats its only on denial :lol

Except he's saying the truth. Most of what I read from you is gibberish.

 

[Detonator99]

Where did I even mention that you negged me (you alone did that)? See? Between you and mean, you raise that rump higher.

:kd:

Ahh of course play the victim card of course there is someone else besides me that called you out on your "negging attitudes."

Except he's saying the truth. Most of what I read from you is gibberish.

And says the guy who got shutdown with feats and can't argue back, go wank your precious kirin somewhere else.

 

[To Whatever]

People get so emotional over neg reps and don't take it like men, but rather like back-arching little b**ches.

:kd:



And, you are still missing the point. That water is controlled with chakra. This isn't. How are these two things the same?

Which has nothing to do with Kirin's own makeup; it has no chakra within it.

Based on what? I just told you the laws stated by the canon manga itself. If you want to disregard them, then be my guest. Don't try to create arguments that merely suit you.

Rank means nothing in regards to Jutsus' power. Maybe, you should look into the Databook IV or Kakashi's statements from the manga. Indra's Arrow was staemated by not one, but two FRS attacks. You just proved me right.

1. It is controlled with Chakra.

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2. Kirin does have chakra in it. If it didn't Sasuke wouldn't be able to channel it or shape it into the form of a dragon. That's shape manipulation and chakra control. Sasuke didn't have to create the lightning himself using his own chakra.

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3. The law states that all Elemental based jutsu are weak or lose to it's respective counter element unless it's overwhelming in power in comparison to FRS. Which it isn't.


4. That's my point. Indra arrow, a lightning based jutsu was countered by wind. The amount of FRS makes no difference. Especially in that instance where Naruto was already at a disadvantage.

 

[shelke]

1. It is controlled with Chakra.

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2. Kirin does have chakra in it. If it didn't Sasuke wouldn't be able to channel it or shape it into the form of a dragon. That's shape manipulation and chakra control. Sasuke didn't have to create the lightning himself using his own chakra.

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3. The law states that all Elemental based jutsu are weak or lose to it's respective counter element unless it's overwhelming in power in comparison to FRS. Which it isn't.

4. That's my point. Indra arrow, a lightning based jutsu was countered by wind. The amount of FRS makes no difference. Especially in that instance where Naruto was already at a disadvantage.

1: "Instead of using his own chakra," as it states there on the page, means that he's using his own chakra? You cannot read, man?

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2: That is your own faulty interpretation then, as Sasuke's body acts like a rod to bring the Lightning down. It's simply a testament to his skill in Raiton. Nowhere on the manga panel is it even remotely mentioned that Kirin itself uses any chakra. How would he mix his own chakra with something that's in the clouds? Are you joking? Because that sounds f**king absurd. Not to mention Sasuke outright states that he used the last bit of his chakra that could be used for ninjutsu on the Katon attack:

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3: Maybe, you should pay attention to the manga, rather than cherry-pick things that you feel go along with your facts:

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Focused Raiton > Futon. End of story. Why? Because the manga states so.

4: So, one of that was countered by two wind attacks? Sure, it proves your statement.

 

[NarutoX28]

And says the guy who got shutdown with feats and can't argue back, go wank your precious kirin somewhere else.

You can remove this ostentatious façade now. Your inability to provide pertinent evidence for your argument is obvious. :lol

 

[Umari Senju]

FRS has the elemental advantage. Wind >Lightning but Kirin is probably more potent than FRS. So they even out.

 

[shelke]

Except he's saying the truth. Most of what I read from you is gibberish.

Why are you surprised?

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:kd:

 

[NarutoX28]

Why are you surprised?

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:kd:

:kd:

Detonator just "detonated" himself.

 

[shelke]

:kd:

Detonator just "detonated" himself.

He always does. And it's glorious.

:kd:

 

[To Whatever]

1: "Instead of using his own chakra," as it states there on the page, means that he's using his own chakra? You cannot read, man?

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2: That is your own faulty interpretation then, as Sasuke's body acts like a rod to bring the Lightning down. It's simply a testament to his skill in Raiton. Nowhere on the manga panel is it even remotely mentioned that Kirin itself uses any chakra. How would he mix his own chakra with something that's in the clouds? Are you joking? Because that sounds f**king absurd. Not to mention Sasuke outright states that he used the last bit of his chakra that could be used for ninjutsu on the Katon attack:

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3: Maybe, you should pay attention to the manga, rather than cherry-pick things that you feel go along with your facts:

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Focused Raiton > Focused Futon. End of story. Why? Because the manga states so.

4: So, one of that was countered by two wind attacks? Sure, it proves your statement.

1. Sasuke didn't use his chakra to create the lightning. He is using his chakra to control and shape it.

2. If Sasuke was completely out of chakra he wouldn't be able to move or hold Orochimaru back.

3. Fuuton isn't known for penetration. It's known for cutting.

Where does the manga state that? A non Senjutsu enhanced busted the third's raiton armor. You're still going to tell me lightning from the sky doesn't count as a elemental jutsu despite it being explicitly called a jutsu?

 

[shelke]

1. Sasuke didn't use his chakra to create the lightning. He is using his chakra to control and shape it.

2. If Sasuke was completely out of chakra he wouldn't be able to move or hold Orochimaru back.

3. Fuuton isn't known for penetration. It's known for cutting.

Where does the manga state that? A non Senjutsu enhanced busted the third's raiton armor. You're still going to tell me lightning from the sky doesn't count as a elemental jutsu despite it being explicitly called a jutsu?

1: Another thing you made up, I guess.

2: He was out of chakra for Ninjutsu. As the manga states.

3: Funny, because the manga states that it is. But, you know better, obviously.

4: Busting a defensive armor isn't the same as taking on an offensive attack. You are blatantly denying manga scan after manga scan to push forward your skewed narrative. Kirin is raw Lightning. That's is all there is to it. Your logic doesn't matter. It will never matter here.

 

[Amenotejikara]

lol people still wanking a wind tech that was low diffed by shinra tensei :lol

 

[To Whatever]

1: Another thing you made up, I guess.

2: He was out of chakra for Ninjutsu. As the manga states.

3: Funny, because the manga states that it is. But, you know better, obviously.

4: Busting a defensive armor isn't the same as taking on an offensive attack. You are blatantly denying manga scan after manga scan to push forward your skewed narrative. Kirin is raw Lightning. That's is all there is to it. Your logic doesn't matter. It will never matter here.

1. How would the Lightning form the shape of a dragon. How would Sasuke be able to hold it and control it without using chakra? You say he acts as a lightning rod. What lightning rod is capable of taming lightning itself and holding it without it immediately being grounded. Sasuke didn't just guide the lightning strike at Itachi.

He:
1.Controlled it
2. Made it change shape
3. Held it
4. And then sent it to strike where he wanted it to.

2. Kirin itself is a ninjutsu, that's a contradiction. Not to mention he ended up losing control of Orochimaru anyway.

3. The Manga states fuuton cuts rather than pierces.

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Temari's Fuuton cuts
Danzo's Fuuton cuts
Rasenshuriken cuts

What Fuuton tech have you seen that pierces rather than cuts through?

Raw lightning is still lightning which is weak to wind according to the Manga and Databook.

I'm not going to argue this any further. Right or wrong. No one is going to change their stance.

Be it hubris, ignorance or w/e.

 

[shelke]

1. How would the Lightning form the shape of a dragon. How would Sasuke be able to hold it and control it without using chakra? You say he acts as a lightning rod. What lightning rod is capable of taming lightning itself and holding it without it immediately being grounded. Sasuke didn't just guide the lightning strike at Itachi.

He:
1.Controlled it
2. Made it change shape
3. Held it
4. And then sent it to strike where he wanted it to.

2. Kirin itself is a ninjutsu, that's a contradiction. Not to mention he ended up losing control of Orochimaru anyway.

3. The Manga states fuuton cuts rather than pierces.

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Temari's Fuuton cuts
Danzo's Fuuton cuts
Rasenshuriken cuts

What Fuuton tech have you seen that pierces rather than cuts through?

Raw lightning is still lightning which is weak to wind according to the Manga and Databook.

My goodness. Who cares how he did it? He himself is saying he has ZERO chakra to spare for Ninjutsu. The only chakra he is sparing is to turn his body into the rod for the Lightning to come down. Heck, the databook says jack shit about controlling Kirin with Chakra:

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Sasuke tames Lightning, meaning, he is shaping and controlling it as it latches onto his body. He is the only user capable of controlling a natural phenomenon, as Zetsu stated as well. There is no chakra involved here. But, gotta ignore manga scans to type rubbish because FRS is not being given enough praise. This neutral guy.

So, which category should it be put in?

Who said anything about piercing? And, by the way, piercing means penetrating something. Grab a dictionary while you are at it.

According the the manga, a focused Raiton is superior to Futon. I even posted a scan. Why are you ignoring canon manga to post BS?

 

[To Whatever]

My goodness. Who cares how he did it? He himself is saying he has ZERO chakra to spare for Ninjutsu. The only chakra he is sparing is to turn his body into the rod for the Lightning to come down. Heck, the databook says jack shit about controlling Kirin with Chakra:

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So, which category should it be put in?

Who said anything about piercing? And, by the way, piercing means penetrating something. Grab a dictionary while you are at it.

According the the manga, a focused Raiton is superior to Futon. I even posted a scan. Why are you ignoring canon manga to post BS?

It says low-impact chakra and it's a jutsu, him guiding it is taking control of the jutsu. But i'm done talking about this with you. We can either agree to disagree or you can keep pushing your agenda.

I'll even let you have the last word if you wish to have it.

 

[NarutoX28]

It says low-impact chakra and it's a jutsu, him guiding it is taking control of the jutsu. But i'm done talking about this with you. We can either agree to disagree or you can keep pushing your agenda.

I'll even let you have the last word if you wish to have it.

Your premise is incongruous with what's stated in the Databook. If it's a low-impact chakra based jutsu, then there's no conceivable way Sasuke could've manipulated the shape of an unfathomable amount of lightning. Chakra Control requires a significant amount of chakra, especially on something with as much monstrosity as Kirin.

 

[shelke]

It says low-impact chakra and it's a jutsu, him guiding it is taking control of the jutsu. But i'm done talking about this with you. We can either agree to disagree or you can keep pushing your agenda.

I'll even let you have the last word if you wish to have it.

@Bold Mentioned it in the long post the very first time: Sasuke turns his body into a rod. It's your fault you missed it or cannot seem to read. Also, do explain how Sasuke controls all the lightning in the storm-cloud that expands to 60 K feet in height easily with a tiny chakra. You have to be very stupid to even believe this.

Oh, please, quit playing the victim card when all you have done is drag stuff out of your butt. Fact remains, focused Raiton > Futon. The manga states it. So, it goes. Get over it already.