Which is Stronger? Uchiha or Senju?

[serpiente clan]

And Uchiha can achieve Rinnegan which unlocks all jutsu.

i said uchiha dont got chakra to use rannigan like nagato even 100 madara dont got the chakra naruto got...
hashirama he would have known the secret of there body he will have obtained the Rinnegan...

 

[Retsu]

The point is, will he get the same (Wood Element and Chakra) if he took Senju DNA from another Senju? Because that's only Hashirama. We're talking about the Senju Clan not just a representative. Because you stated Senju is stronger, not just Hashirama[/QUOT

even if he didn't get wood release he'd still have that huge pool of chakra added, and as I've said his senju dna may have been vital in Madara awakening Rinnegan

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

i said uchiha dont got chakea to use rannigan like nagato even 100 madara dont got the chakra naruto got...
ia hashirama he would have known the secret of there of his body he will have obtained the Rinnegan...

Let's play logic ok?

Senju - got the body of the Sot6P (Not the rinnegan which are his eyes)

Uchiha - got the eyes of the Sot6P (Which is ofcourse the rinnegan as the highest form)

Hashirama is a Senju

Hashirama got the body of the Sot6P

Hashirama did not get the Rinnegan

Hashirama is not an Uchiha who got the eyes of the Sot6P

Hashirama will not be able to gain the rinnegan

Spoiler

I know Senju fanboys will be mad about their clan not being able to achieve the Rinnegan. But it's called reality

 

[Blaze Release]

Fact is, if you winning the war you wont ask for peace treaty.
Its only when you are loosing. Ask Germany :rofl:

 

[serpiente clan]

Let's play logic ok?

Senju - got the body of the Sot6P (Not the rinnegan which are his eyes)

Uchiha - got the eyes of the Sot6P (Which is ofcourse the rinnegan as the highest form)

Hashirama is a Senju

Hashirama got the body of the Sot6P

Hashirama did not get the Rinnegan

Hashirama is not an Uchiha who got the eyes of the Sot6P

Hashirama will not be able to gain the rinnegan

Spoiler

I know Senju fanboys will be mad about their clan not being able to achieve the Rinnegan. But it's called reality

what the manga said is that you need body and eyes to get rannigan ........... now we are in peace

 

[Blaze Release]

i said uchiha dont got chakra to use rannigan like nagato even 100 madara dont got the chakra naruto got...
hashirama he would have known the secret of there body he will have obtained the Rinnegan...

The rennigan is from the sharigan. How is a senju getting it. Lets say they transplant the sharigan. Even if they somebow awaken the ms like kakashi did, they would need the ems. The only way to get the ems is to transplant your siblings eyes. Therefoer if an uchiha doesnt have a siblings, he/she is stuck to ms xd.

How the hell is a senju going to get the ems. Even if they do, they still dont posses the sage's chakra, since thats also given to the uchiha.

Blame kishi for op uchiha

 

[Retsu]

Fact is, if you winning the war you wont ask for peace treaty.
Its only when you are loosing. Ask Germany :rofl:

True, but it's not like Senju surrendered, and Hashirama was even made hokage and the Uchiha gave Madara a ho sit down when he felt otherwise, they were tired of the war as well

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

The point is, will he get the same (Wood Element and Chakra) if he took Senju DNA from another Senju? Because that's only Hashirama. We're talking about the Senju Clan not just a representative. Because you stated Senju is stronger, not just Hashirama

even if he didn't get wood release he'd still have that huge pool of chakra added, and as I've said his senju dna may have been vital in Madara awakening Rinnegan

Your only focusing on Hashirama. Focus your point on the Senju please. Because just like I said, will he be able to get loads of Chakra from another Senju? Because Hashirama does not represent his entire clan. Tobirama was not seen doing Wood element. He was well-versed in water release but it didn't state he had loads of Chakra. He wasn't even able to control Bijuus. And if he had loads of chakra, why did Orochimaru and Danzo go for Hashirama? Did they not consider a brother of Hashirama which is also Senju?

Total:

Hashirama has loads of chakra and can use the Wood element. But because he has these doesn't mean the entire Senju can use them too. Therefore, why do you say Senju is stronger when in fact, only one of it's member got Wood element and Huge Chakra?

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

what the manga said is that you need body and eyes to get rannigan ........... now we are in peace

What part of the manga? Please give a link to enlighten us

 

[Blaze Release]

True, but it's not like Senju surrendered, and Hashirama was even made hokage and the Uchiha gave Madara a ho sit down when he felt otherwise, they were tired of the war as well

Both sides were tired of the war obviously. In war, there are casualties on both sides, but my point still stands that the senju clearly were feeling the effects of war than the uchiha.

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

True, but it's not like Senju surrendered, and Hashirama was even made hokage and the Uchiha gave Madara a ho sit down when he felt otherwise, they were tired of the war as well

Hashirama only became Hokage because the Fire Country wanted him to be the Hokage. The Uchiha had no objections to these because they wanted peace. But if the war continued, and Uchiha gave birth to Itachi and Sasuke, you still think Senju win? Besides, why give a peace treaty when you are winning?

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

Both sides were tired of the war obviously. In war, there are casualties on both sides, but my point still stands that the senju clearly were feeling the effects of war than the uchiha.

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[serpiente clan]

The rennigan is from the sharigan. How is a senju getting it. Lets say they transplant the sharigan. Even if they somebow awaken the ms like kakashi did, they would need the ems. The only way to get the ems is to transplant your siblings eyes. Therefoer if an uchiha doesnt have a siblings, he/she is stuck to ms xd.

How the hell is a senju going to get the ems. Even if they do, they still dont posses the sage's chakra, since thats also given to the uchiha.

Blame kishi for op uchiha

correct (if uchiha need the senju body's cells to have Rinnegan,senju need the uchiha eye to get rinnegan)....

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

correct (if uchiha need the senju body's cells to have Rinnegan,senju need the uchiha eye to get rinnegan)....

But Senju still couldn't get the rinnegan. Even if they achieve two MS, it must come from siblings to be much compatible. Otherwise, it's still useless. Besides, only few Uchihas have awaken MS.

 

[Blaze Release]

correct (if uchiha need the senju body's cells to have Rinnegan,senju need the uchiha eye to get rinnegan)....

The sharigan alone wouldnt get you the rennigan. You have to go through its stages and even though kakashi has shown that a non uchiha can get the ms, its hard to see how a non uchiha can get the ems, due to the circumstances of acquiring the ems.

Also lets say a senju gets the ems, this means it has 2 things to awaken the rennigan. But it still needs one more, the sages chakra which was given to the older brother. You can transplant eyes, steal dna, but you cannot gain the sages chakra

 

[Retsu]

Your only focusing on Hashirama. Focus your point on the Senju please. Because just like I said, will he be able to get loads of Chakra from another Senju? Because Hashirama does not represent his entire clan. Tobirama was not seen doing Wood element. He was well-versed in water release but it didn't state he had loads of Chakra. He wasn't even able to control Bijuus. And if he had loads of chakra, why did Orochimaru and Danzo go for Hashirama? Did they not consider a brother of Hashirama which is also Senju?

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Hashirama has loads of chakra and can use the Wood element. But because he has these doesn't mean the entire Senju can use them too. Therefore, why do you say Senju is stronger when in fact, only one of it's member got Wood element and Huge Chakra?

I thought it was common knowledge that so far the body of the sage is symbolized as having extreme vitality and a boatload of chakra, and Madara went after Hashirama because Hashirama was who he fought in the valley of the end, and as you said, he was special in being able to control Bijuu which is also why he has been grafted onto so many ppl.

Tobirama wasn't noted for his chakra, but he could cast a jutsu that normally has 40 or so hand signs with just one, I think this is a testament to the senju just having really good chakra pools, and honestly the senju haven't been fleshed out as much as the uchiha so it's easier to say they're better.

Another thing is Madara using wood release in general, I think this was done to convince ppl that he has senju dna and that it is needed for an uchiha to awaken rinnegan. point is that i believe all in all senju were stronger

 

[serpiente clan]

But Senju still couldn't get the rinnegan. Even if they achieve two MS, it must come from siblings to be much compatible. Otherwise, it's still useless. Besides, only few Uchihas have awaken MS.

rannigan are oly 1 paths of the 6paths uchiha and senju together another paths..... is logical if you want to be the sage have to join the 6 paths event is you are not uchiha o senju...

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

I thought it was common knowledge that so far the body of the sage is symbolized as having extreme vitality and a boatload of chakra, and Madara went after Hashirama because Hashirama was who he fought in the valley of the end, and as you said, he was special in being able to control Bijuu which is also why he has been grafted onto so many ppl.

Tobirama wasn't noted for his chakra, but he could cast a jutsu that normally has 40 or so hand signs with just one, I think this is a testament to the senju just having really good chakra pools, and honestly the senju haven't been fleshed out as much as the uchiha so it's easier to say they're better.

Another thing is Madara using wood release in general, I think this was done to convince ppl that he has senju dna and that it is needed for an uchiha to awaken rinnegan. point is that i believe all in all senju were stronger

Huh?

Even if Hashirama gets 100% of his abilities he will still not be able to achieve Rinnegan by getting 2 Sharingans. He still need to have EMS. And MS + MS may not be equal to EMS because the 2 MS must be compatible. Therefore your point is invalid.

And since when did that story of must having Senju DNA to awaken Rinnegan?

And your point that you believe that Senju are stronger doesn't even make any point at all.

 

[Dark Lord 2140]

rannigan are oly 1 paths of the 6paths uchiha and senju together another paths..... is logical if you want to be the sage have to join the 6 paths event is you are not uchiha o senju...

Learn English dude. Besides, Rinnegan is already the 6 Paths. That's why Nagato was able to have the Six Paths of Pain remember?

 

[Disquiet]

I think he's referring to rinnegan here

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here kabuto said, just as I had guess, the rinnegan is what comes after the sharingan

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and here kabuto explains that he indeed knows about him getting the senju's DNA, this is after he tells him that he basically knows about the rinnegan, thus, the rinnegan and senju's DNA are separate.

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and here, madara is testing out hashirama's power

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this should be enough to conclude that rinnegan does not need senju DNA,