which espada do you think was the strongest?

[Goetia]

No, Espada are ranked based on their skills. (Last sentence under section "Espada")

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User's Reiryoku condenses, creating a steel-hard skin strong enough to block a Zanpakuto. If they are ranked by spirital powers, Nnoitra wouldn't have hardest hierro.

I could've sworn I saw somewhere that they were ranked based on Reiatsu, must've been an inaccurate translation.

Though my point still stands. Who would win in a fight, Tia Harribel or Ulquiorra Cifer? Imo, it is Ulquiorra.

 

[Zorø]

Stark solos.

 

[super yang]

I know according to numbers yami should be the strongest, but I am not buying that I see barragan and ulquiioraa destroy him what do you say is the strngst espada?

just because they can beat him, doesn't mean Yammy isn't literally the strongest.

theres a reason the troll was left in hueco mundo, usefulness...

 

[ToshiZO]

I never speculated anything. ulquiora is #4, weaker than halibel.
going by feated ability, she would clearly beat him

yammy isn't ''my strongest'', he is canonically the strongest, since unlike Ulquiorra, he actually said so then demonstrated his full reiryoku preparation, allowing his ''Zer0'' resurrection.

what contradiction?

You never speculated anything? I was referring to your post where you said people will make their bias speculations...lol feats dude. We have both of them who went all out. Not too hard to understand.

As for the latter don't play the character statement game, Hiruzen is also the strongest Hokage right? And we look at a characters overall fighting ability...Yammy in his zero form is inferior to many...he is too slow to do much. And also correct me if im wrong but werent you mocking Yammy in your first post?

 

[super yang]

You never speculated anything? I was referring to your post where you said people will make their bias speculations...lol feats dude. We have both of them who went all out. Not too hard to understand.

As for the latter don't play the character statement game, Hiruzen is also the strongest Hokage right? And we look at a characters overall fighting ability...Yammy in his zero form is inferior to many...he is too slow to do much. And also correct me if im wrong but werent you mocking Yammy in your first post?

No, im not playing the statement game, its the feats game.
Chad said the dude was much bigger & taller in base, than last tie he saw him
he released & his number changed
Ulquiorra twice hinted at yammys hidden ability as well as his ''Gonzui'' ability
both of his release forms appropriate the utmost in raw power as explained & demonstrated.

 

[ToshiZO]

No, im not playing the statement game, its the feats game.
Chad said the dude was much bigger & taller in base, than last tie he saw him
he released & his number changed
Ulquiorra twice hinted at yammys hidden ability as well as his ''Gonzui'' ability
both of his release forms appropriate the utmost in raw power as explained & demonstrated.

haha dude it doesn't matter. I already told you we look at the overall fighting ability. By your logic Asuma is stronger than Minato. Not how it works when breaking down characters on the food chain.

 

[super yang]

haha dude it doesn't matter. I already told you we look at the overall fighting ability. By your logic Asuma is stronger than Minato. Not how it works when breaking down characters on the food chain.

yes, overall fighting ability belongs to stark, the ''primera'' I never disputed this, its canon. the top 4 have the best skill & reiatsu as judged by aizen, even revealing their potential w/ the hogyoku jewel.
...While Yammy has a conditional ranking; deal with it.

there is nothing to break down, its already been demonstrated.
I'm not flip-flopping, im just relaying what the fiction portrays, objectively, in its literary verbatim.

there is no burden on my argument; you've yet to realize this?...

 

[ToshiZO]

yes, overall fighting ability belongs to stark, the ''primera'' I never disputed this, its canon. the top 4 have the best skill & reiatsu as judged by aizen, even revealing their potential w/ the hogyoku jewel.
...While Yammy has a conditional ranking; deal with it.

there is nothing to break down, its already been demonstrated.
I'm not flip-flopping, im just relaying what the fiction portrays, objectively, in its literary verbatim.

there is no burden on my argument; you've yet to realize this?...

Skill? I only remember the rankings based on Reiatsu otherwise Yammy wouldnt have the lowest number...so when will you stop contradicting yourself. You somehow built a cushion for Stark. Its either Yammy > The rest...or the rankings just like in any other manga and work of fiction dont take priority over feats.

 

[super yang]

Skill? I only remember the rankings based on Reiatsu otherwise Yammy wouldnt have the lowest number...so when will you stop contradicting yourself. You somehow built a cushion for Stark. Its either Yammy > The rest...or the rankings just like in any other manga and work of fiction dont take priority over feats.

but I didn't make the conditions, the manga did :|

its not my problem that U don't like there being a variable. U cant just wish it away, sorry.

and their natural reiatsu was already explained, with stark having so much that his soul split/natural arrancar/etc;..

 

[ToshiZO]

but I didn't make the conditions, the manga did :|

its not my problem that U don't like there being a variable. U cant just wish it away, sorry.

and their natural reiatsu was already explained, with stark having so much that his soul split/natural arrancar/etc;..

I accept the concession lol. You cant pick and choose what to accept and what you can disregard based on your liking.

 

[Goetia]

Stark solos.

Hi.

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[super yang]

I accept the concession lol. You cant pick and choose what to accept and what you can disregard based on your liking.

what didn't I accept?
that yammy was #10(in reiatsu, therefore in skill too)? he was...
that stark is naturally the strongest? its true.
that yammy can store power & achieve #0(in reiatsu only, his secondary ranking, by definition, demonstrates an exception whereby skill isn't counted)? he can
that the rankings are based on reiatsu? they are
that the level of skill/ability directly follows the canonical ranks? it does.

X- yammeh- I've no reason to doubt he could overpower & kill released barry. raw power doesn't lie in teh Bleach & barry has taken damage from mid tiers- Hulk smash? Hulk smash! - Oscuras blast? Oscuras blast... -derp.

1- stark- defines the notion of 'primera' imo. the espada are a grouping of fighters that all show some clear inferiority to him in one way or another

2- Barry- because he has Arrogante!


3- Halibel- because she has the best close quarters priority & the most dominant ''sword'' imo

4- Ulqui- cuz we saw Noitra, Szayel & Wonderweiss regen too, then said to ourselves ''one of these skill bits is NOT like the other three'' and that ''one'' wasn't belonging to a Mr. Lou Cifer

5- Noitra- cuz he is clearly ''better'' than GrimJo

6- GrimJo- cuz he clearly has more mobility, utility & range than Zommari

7- Zommari- cuz his haxx clearly has more priority & convenience than Szayel

8- Szayel- cuz he is canonically a non-gillian tentacle monster

9- Aroneiro- cuz he is canonically a gillian blob monster


there is never any real reason to question Aizens rankings once you appraise the ''2nd release'' for the empty concept it is/or rather said- because lol at DC.
And then accept the ''Zero'' concept for what it actually is, spirit-energy/level stacking & zero being a value-less numeral representing change/potential. For in spite of any decent combat skill, yammis ''power'' is still given clear definition in his colossal mass post-res & his implemented preparation, as well as his ''variable state''(as noted by Yasutora) pre-res.

So I'm a reader & viewer that thinks the rankings are quite accurate or sensible when stuff like ''ability'' ''strength/power'' & ''skill'' are all factored in; heh, imagine that(its boring, I know...) I can even argue a case that each of the nine ''orthodox'' ranks were designed with inferiority to their immediate superior in mind if I merely sip the Kool-aid.

at least tell me what the argument is before I'm told i've conceded, lel

 

[Don Drama]

Strong and good looking.. Stark!

 

[Zealotic]

My Order
Starrk
Barrgan
Ulqiorra
Halibel
Nnitora
Grimmjow
Srayel/Zommari
aareniero arrienui

Cant spell it correctly atm you get the idea

 

[Goetia]

My Order
Starrk
Barrgan
Ulqiorra
Halibel
Nnitora
Grimmjow
Srayel/Zommari
aareniero arrienui

Cant spell it correctly atm you get the idea

So the Arrancar known as Yammy Llargo isn't an Espada?

 

[Ryuma720]

Barrage FTW

 

[Martin zoldyck]

Lol Aaroniero could take if he managed to devour his fellow espada and privaron espada but that's just if he gets lucky!!!!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The way the numbers work is that the lower the number, the stronger the reishi, although that doesn't mean that an espada couldn't beat a lower numbered espada.

Strongest is probably ullquiorra.

 

[Killuaa]

Feats - Ulquiorra

Hype - The new Grimmjow

 

[ssjelf]

Stark or Ulqiora. Hard to say. I think that Ulqiorra is very strong in secunda etapa, but his main feat in that was regen and the lance that was basically a super cero. I bet Starkk could shoot one that big too. It is also hard to believe that Aizen didn't know about secunda etapa when he ranked them, but perhaps Aizen ranked him lower on purpose to make Ulqiorra think he didn't know or something. Starkk also had the wolves that were pretty powerful. Either way I think it is close.