which espada do you think was the strongest?
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sammypt Miyamoto Musashi
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You gotta be kidding..there are way more Stark fanboys than Ulqi's! Stark mainly looked cool what with his eyepatch and the fact that he used pistols intead of swords. Which would have been A LOT better if he woulda used them like on Samurai Gun instead of just point and then *announce* "CERO" and then a second later.....*pew pew*
Oh, and Im not a Ulqi fanboy. I hated his character. Too flat and didn't seem to even really have a reason for fighting for Aizen or a reason to hide his extra release other than to fit the plot. At the end he said something about just starting to find an intrest in humans....
_@:?!?! He wants to know what a heart is?? Ummmmmmm....... stoopid.
super yang
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X- yammeh- I've no reason to doubt he could overpower & kill released barry. raw power doesn't lie in teh Bleach & barry has taken damage from mid tiers- Hulk smash? Hulk smash! - Oscuras blast? Oscuras blast... -derp.
1- stark- defines the notion of 'primera' imo. the espada are a grouping of fighters that all show some clear inferiority to him in one way or another
2- Barry- because he has Arrogante!
3- Halibel- because she has the best close quarters priority & the most dominant ''sword'' imo
4- Ulqui- cuz we saw Noitra, Szayel & Wonderweiss regen too, then said to ourselves ''one of these skill bits is NOT like the other three'' and that ''one'' wasn't belonging to a Mr. Lou Cifer
5- Noitra- cuz he is clearly ''better'' than GrimJo
6- GrimJo- cuz he clearly has more mobility, utility & range than Zommari
7- Zommari- cuz his haxx clearly has more priority & convenience than Szayel
8- Szayel- cuz he is canonically a non-gillian tentacle monster
9- Aroneiro- cuz he is canonically a gillian blob monster
there is never any real reason to question Aizens rankings once you appraise the ''2nd release'' for the empty concept it is/or rather said- because lol at DC.
And then accept the ''Zero'' concept for what it actually is, spirit-energy/level stacking & zero being a value-less numeral representing change/potential. For in spite of any decent combat skill, yammis ''power'' is still given clear definition in his colossal mass post-res & his implemented preparation, as well as his ''variable state''(as noted by Yasutora) pre-res.
So I'm a reader & viewer that thinks the rankings are quite accurate or sensible when stuff like ''ability'' ''strength/power'' & ''skill'' are all factored in; heh, imagine that(its boring, I know...) I can even argue a case that each of the nine ''orthodox'' ranks were designed with inferiority to their immediate superior in mind if I merely sip the Kool-aid.
1- stark- defines the notion of 'primera' imo. the espada are a grouping of fighters that all show some clear inferiority to him in one way or another
2- Barry- because he has Arrogante!
3- Halibel- because she has the best close quarters priority & the most dominant ''sword'' imo
4- Ulqui- cuz we saw Noitra, Szayel & Wonderweiss regen too, then said to ourselves ''one of these skill bits is NOT like the other three'' and that ''one'' wasn't belonging to a Mr. Lou Cifer
5- Noitra- cuz he is clearly ''better'' than GrimJo
6- GrimJo- cuz he clearly has more mobility, utility & range than Zommari
7- Zommari- cuz his haxx clearly has more priority & convenience than Szayel
8- Szayel- cuz he is canonically a non-gillian tentacle monster
9- Aroneiro- cuz he is canonically a gillian blob monster
there is never any real reason to question Aizens rankings once you appraise the ''2nd release'' for the empty concept it is/or rather said- because lol at DC.
And then accept the ''Zero'' concept for what it actually is, spirit-energy/level stacking & zero being a value-less numeral representing change/potential. For in spite of any decent combat skill, yammis ''power'' is still given clear definition in his colossal mass post-res & his implemented preparation, as well as his ''variable state''(as noted by Yasutora) pre-res.
So I'm a reader & viewer that thinks the rankings are quite accurate or sensible when stuff like ''ability'' ''strength/power'' & ''skill'' are all factored in; heh, imagine that(its boring, I know...) I can even argue a case that each of the nine ''orthodox'' ranks were designed with inferiority to their immediate superior in mind if I merely sip the Kool-aid.
super yang
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or U could just take their capabilities at face value, instead of trying ''correct'' the work of fiction
? If you wanna blame someone blame the author for making Ulquiorra much stronger featwise while trolling us with numbers. Kubo is known for trolling....dont think too much of it. There is nothing you can say to convince anyone that Halibel >Ulquiorra as quite frankly the manga disagrees.
super yang
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no, the manga doesn't ''disagree''
ulquiorra being a more relevant character, with more panel time is not the same as ulquiorra being stronger than his rank
I don't have to convince anyone, but I cant stop others from making their own fan fiction either, so...
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typical cop out argument when you know feats dont agree with you. There is literally no legitimate argument you can put up here for Halibel. I can make a case that even Base Ulquiorra could possibly beat her. With his second release its such a stomp that I dont think it would be allowed to be shown in a shonen manga.
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super yang
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No, there is literally no founded argument for Ulquiorra. only arbitrary judgements & biased speculations.
most cant even agree that reiatsu is the basis of rankings, in spite of yammy making it obvious
babaGAReeb
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You gotta be kidding..there are way more Stark fanboys than Ulqi's! Stark mainly looked cool what with his eyepatch and the fact that he used pistols intead of swords. Which would have been A LOT better if he woulda used them like on Samurai Gun instead of just point and then *announce* "CERO" and then a second later.....*pew pew*
Oh, and Im not a Ulqi fanboy. I hated his character. Too flat and didn't seem to even really have a reason for fighting for Aizen or a reason to hide his extra release other than to fit the plot. At the end he said something about just starting to find an intrest in humans....
Smh, you obviously haven't debated Bleach much.
lol man there is hardly any need for speculation when you have two characters that have shown everything in their arsenal. Both have released we have the feats...we can easily sit here and compare and it wouldnt take a genius to figure out who is superior.
Also for the latter....lol thats why you have Yammy as your strongest right? What type of contradiction is that lol. Besides Aizen never saw Ulquiorra's second release.
super yang
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I never speculated anything. ulquiora is #4, weaker than halibel.
going by feated ability, she would clearly beat him
yammy isn't ''my strongest'', he is canonically the strongest, since unlike Ulquiorra, he actually said so then demonstrated his full reiryoku preparation, allowing his ''Zer0'' resurrection.
what contradiction?
Goetia
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If you read or watch Bleach, you would know that the rankings are based off of their Reiatsu, not power. Tia Harribel may be the Tres Espada, but she is definitely not stronger than Ulquiorra. Nnoitora may be the Quinto Espada, but he is not as strong as Grimmjow.
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No, Espada are ranked based on their skills. (Last sentence under section "Espada")
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User's Reiryoku condenses, creating a steel-hard skin strong enough to block a Zanpakuto. If they are ranked by spirital powers, Nnoitra wouldn't have hardest hierro.