[Discussion] Which charactor do you feel is the most overhyped in the One Piece verse????

[Punk Hazard]

I highly doubt he is stronger than Akainu .

I didn't say he was.

oh yeah. all that Shanks portrayal.

One swordsmans has the title of strongest and the other doesn't. Good enough for me until Oda shows explicitly Shanks is excluded.

People treat Mihawk like he is in the top 3 just because of his title. I think if I made a list he probably wouldn't make it in the top 10. Still plenty of people who can kick his ass without a sword. And all the yonkou are 4 of them.

Shanks wouldn't make your top ten? That's a bad top ten.

In my opinion Luffy also will never be the kind of yonkou that Whitebeard or Big Mom are. Icons that carry their fleet on their own. Luffy is someone who can beat anybody but has to have help from a lot of nakama to do it. Which is a more impressive power, and Mihawk recognized that in the war. But I don't think Luffy an crew will ever have the absolute strength of the this generation yonkou.

Impressive? Maybe. Mihawk said it was the most dangerous ability. While Luffy being able to sway almost anyone to his side is an impressive personality trait, if Luffy requires his nakama to beat someone, then he isn't stronger than person. Which is kinda what and how we discuss in this forum. I have yet to see you say "Luffy is stronger than X because Y and Z will jump in and help him" in a VS match, so this whole paragraph is irrelevant to this topic.

So Zoro also isn't surpassing a 'yonkou' level foe in the final match. Mihawk is just not there. Mihawk is probably the #1 of the super strong people tier but can't enter the god tier.

Says you? This would also apply to Shanks as well, which just isn't happening.

Luffy/Kidd/Law/Zoro/Coby/Smoker are the generation that are going to either surpass Roger's, or be on par with them. They will 100% be stronger than the current Yonko and the current Admirals. .

The generation of Shanks, Mihawk, and the three Admirals have already accomplished this

Shanks' portrayal is above Mihawk's but ok.

Regardless point still stands. They are linked. Vista is the perfect example of a character overrated for no real reason.

It's literally not. Like I said to LC, one swordsman has the title of WSM, and the other does not. Their roles/positions in the world are clear.

 

[KingHashirama]

nah. They don't have to surpass them. Definitely not all of them (Coby, Smoker etc.) are gonna be doing it. And why do we speak like characters are tied to a generation. Power levels fluctuate, I'm sure Kaido would be just fine in WB and Rogers generation.

"they don't have to".. sure they don't need to.. but they will.

Luffy = Pirate King = Either has to match or surpass Roger

Smoker = Luffy's main rival on the marines similar to garp = has to either match or surpass Garp, to stand a chance against luffy.


Coby = the guy who'll probably end up leading the marines later on.. similar to Sengoku.


@bold, because Oda keeps mentioning them as such. And Kaido would probably be weaker than all the top tiers of Roger's generation.

The generation of Shanks, Mihawk, and the three Admirals have already accomplished this

Sadly no.

If you are saying they surpassed Old Garp/Rayleigh/WB.. then sure. If you are saying they surpassed them at their prime.. ahaha no.

 

[ToshiZO]

"they don't have to".. sure they don't need to.. but they will.

Luffy = Pirate King = Either has to match or surpass Roger

Smoker = Luffy's main rival on the marines similar to garp = has to either match or surpass Garp, to stand a chance against luffy.


Coby = the guy who'll probably end up leading the marines later on.. similar to Sengoku.


@bold, because Oda keeps mentioning them as such. And Kaido would probably be weaker than all the top tiers of Roger's generation.

And this is a prime example of Legends being overrated to shit.

 

[KingHashirama]

And this is a prime example of Legends being overrated to shit.

Blame Oda for creating them.

"overrated to shit".. sure that excuse would work, if i had said they would neg-diff Kaido... but stating that the Era of the PIRATE KING, the strongest pirate in history, is stronger than the current generation who controls the seas, is not overrating the older era. Its simply stating where they stand.


The main character's goal = Pirate King.

Anyone from current generation a pirate king? no

Only person from this generation, that has the hype to be equal to or be on par with the legends at their prime is Dragon.

 

[ToshiZO]

Blame Oda for creating them.

"overrated to shit".. sure that excuse would work, if i had said they would neg-diff Kaido... but stating that the Era of the PIRATE KING, the strongest pirate in history, is stronger than the current generation who controls the seas, is not overrating the older era. Its simply stating where they stand.


The main character's goal = Pirate King.

Anyone from current generation a pirate king? no

Only person from this generation, that has the hype to be equal to or be on par with the legends at their prime is Dragon.

lol no. The only characters who are put on a separate level are WB and Roger, and maaaybe we can squeeze Garp in there. Other than that its anyones game. You're acting like everyone from that generation was Pirate King....

If anything Shanks' generation is stronger than Rogers because after his whole speech the pirates all over the World went berserk. Prior to that? Who even gave a shit? Its the existence of the One Piece and Roger's treasure which made the pirates so determined.

Roger's era had a couple noticeable names that stood above the others but I'd choose the average top tier from Shanks' generation over Rogers generation anyday.

Blame Oda for what? Im not gonna blame Oda for the fans complete misinterpretations.

What is known as the Great Pirate Era?? Certainly not Rogers era, its after Rogers era when the

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Its funny because Oda created the exact opposite of what you are implying. Everything points at the current generation being overall stronger, with a few noticeable exceptions from that past era.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol no. The only characters who are put on a separate level are WB and Roger, and maaaybe we can squeeze Garp in there. Other than that its anyones game. You're acting like everyone from that generation was Pirate King....

Roger/Garp/Sengoku/Whitebeard/Rayleigh

"Hero of the marines", "The strategist", "the world's strongest man", "The Pirate King", " the Dark King".

If anything Shanks' generation is stronger than Rogers because after his whole speech the pirates all over the World went berserk. Prior to that? Who even gave a shit? Its the existence of the One Piece and Roger's treasure which made the pirates so determined.

Determined = stronger? lol what?

More quantity = better quality?

Roger's era had a couple noticeable names that stood above the others but I'd choose the average top tier from Shanks' generation over Rogers generation anyday.

Because i'm sure the manga is taking place in their generation, for us to know all the huge names of that time right?

Blame Oda for what? Im not gonna blame Oda for the fans complete misinterpretations.

Well its not happening here.

What is known as the Great Pirate Era?? Certainly not Rogers era, its after Rogers era where the

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Its funny because Oda created the exact opposite of what you are implying. Everything points at the current generation being overall stronger, with a few noticeable exceptions from that past era.

The Great era started by the Pirate King Gol D. Roger, with mere words.

Its funny how Oda made Pirate King (roger's era) Luffy's goal, and not the current' generation's Yonko title. While the "yonko" title is being used as an obstacle to get to the pirate king title.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"they don't have to".. sure they don't need to.. but they will.

Luffy = Pirate King = Either has to match or surpass Roger

Smoker = Luffy's main rival on the marines similar to garp = has to either match or surpass Garp, to stand a chance against luffy.


Coby = the guy who'll probably end up leading the marines later on.. similar to Sengoku.


@bold, because Oda keeps mentioning them as such. And Kaido would probably be weaker than all the top tiers of Roger's generation.


Sadly no.

If you are saying they surpassed Old Garp/Rayleigh/WB.. then sure. If you are saying they surpassed them at their prime.. ahaha no.

They are on par with them in their prime.

Blame Oda for creating them.

"overrated to shit".. sure that excuse would work, if i had said they would neg-diff Kaido... but stating that the Era of the PIRATE KING, the strongest pirate in history, is stronger than the current generation who controls the seas, is not overrating the older era. Its simply stating where they stand.


The main character's goal = Pirate King.

Anyone from current generation a pirate king? no

Only person from this generation, that has the hype to be equal to or be on par with the legends at their prime is Dragon.

You do realize that becoming Pirate King had nothing to do with strength? Sure, he was immensely powerful, but Roger became Pirate King because he had his crew with him. You can be the strongest fighter in the world and never become Pirate King without the right crew. So, Pirate King is not a rank of power, and doesn't make him the strongest pirate or man to ever live.

 

[KingHashirama]

They are on par with them in their prime.

well then, we have diff opinions.

You do realize that becoming Pirate King had nothing to do with strength? Sure, he was immensely powerful, but Roger became Pirate King because he had his crew with him. You can be the strongest fighter in the world and never become Pirate King without the right crew. So, Pirate King is not a rank of power, and doesn't make him the strongest pirate or man to ever live.

"Becoming pirate king had nothing to do with strength".. did you really just say that? Becoming the Pirate King has exactly everything to do with strength.


@Bold, yet he still is.

 

[ToshiZO]

Roger/Garp/Sengoku/Whitebeard/Rayleigh

"Hero of the marines", "The strategist", "the world's strongest man", "The Pirate King", " the Dark King".



Determined = stronger? lol what?

More quantity = better quality?

Because i'm sure the manga is taking place in their generation, for us to know all the huge names of that time right?

Well its not happening here.


The Great era started by the Pirate King Gol D. Roger, with mere words.

Its funny how Oda made Pirate King (roger's era) Luffy's goal, and not the current' generation's Yonko title. While the "yonko" title is being used as an obstacle to get to the pirate king title.

Lol you must have never heard of competition. The more people involved in a skill the more competition therefore the cream of the crop will only get selected.

And you're just naming epithets and titles. Let me name a couple "Worlds Strongest Creature" Kaidou, "Worlds Strongest Swordsman" Mihawk. Is that supposed to help my argument.

The very first page in the manga goes against everything you said. The Great Pirate Era started AFTER Rogers death. And I already said only a couple exceptions like Roger and WB have been put on a higher scale. Other than that its been said many times over that this era is the Great Pirate Era. The average pirate in todays era should be stronger than the average pirate from Rogers...survival of the fittest.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol you must have never heard of competition. The more people involved in a skill the more competition therefore the cream of the crop will only get selected.

Yet MJ is still considered as the best basketball player, despite more and more people playing basketball?

And if that cream of the crop, is just not on par with the previous, then what?

And you're just naming epithets and titles. Let me name a couple "Worlds Strongest Creature" Kaidou, "Worlds Strongest Swordsman" Mihawk. Is that supposed to help my argument.

It would, if the "world's strongest creature", came during when Whitebeard was alive. While "World's strongest man" was there during Kaido/Shanks and so on.

The very first page in the manga goes against everything you said. The Great Pirate Era started AFTER Rogers death. And I already said only a couple exceptions like Roger and WB have been put on a higher scale. Other than that its been said many times over that this era is the Great Pirate Era. The average pirate in todays era should be stronger than the average pirate from Rogers...survival of the fittest.

It is the Pirate King's word that started that era. You keep saying manga goes against everything i said, despite you yourself not being able to comprehend it.

You take out Roger's words , there is no "Great pirate era". So again, Roger is the one who started the great pirate era, with his mere words. Not to mention the constant hype of how dangerous he was, and how he was a devil.

Name 1 Marine or Admiral, that has been named the "Hero of the marines"... yet you want to blindly claim Akainu/Aokiji are stronger than Sengoku and Garp?

@Bold, yet this isn't a talk of the average pirates. Its a discussion of the strongest top tiers.

 

[Punk Hazard]

well then, we have diff opinions.



"Becoming pirate king had nothing to do with strength".. did you really just say that? Becoming the Pirate King has exactly everything to do with strength.


@Bold, yet he still is.

No he's not? Garp and WB were both on par with him. And no, it doesn't. If you have strength that surpasses Roger's ten times over, and no crew, you will never become Pirate King.

 

[KingHashirama]

No he's not? Garp and WB were both on par with him. And no, it doesn't. If you have strength that surpasses Roger's ten times over, and no crew, you will never become Pirate King.

@Bold, if that happens let me know.

Being on par = same level = Equal in a death fight.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Bold, if that happens let me know.

Being on par = same level = Equal in a death fight.

They were unable to kill each other because they were even.

Are. You. Dumb. That was not the point of the post. The point of the post is, all the strength in the world-crew=never becoming PK.

 

[KingHashirama]

They were unable to kill each other because they were even.

Are. You. Dumb. That was not the point of the post. The point of the post is, all the strength in the world-crew=never becoming PK.

They were unable to kill each other .. himm Smoker couldn't kill luffy, that makes them equal?

It was a dumb way to make a point, as it is not reasonable for that scenario to ever happen in the manga.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They were unable to kill each other .. himm Smoker couldn't kill luffy, that makes them equal?

It was a dumb way to make a point, as it is not reasonable for that scenario to ever happen in the manga.

Smoker couldn't kill Luffy because others intervened. It was said Garp and Roger almost killed each other many times, showing they are on equal footing, on WB was Roger's equal.

It was hyperbole. Do you know what that is? That didn't prove the point, the point is no crew=no PK title.

 

[KingHashirama]

Smoker couldn't kill Luffy because others intervened. It was said Garp and Roger almost killed each other many times, showing they are on equal footing, on WB was Roger's equal.

It was hyperbole. Do you know what that is? That didn't prove the point, the point is no crew=no PK title.

Just like Smoker ALMOST killed luffy, many times. And none of them would actually attempt to actually kill each other.

@Bold, what?? PK also has nothing to do with having a crew or not having a crew.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Just like Smoker ALMOST killed luffy, many times. And none of them would actually attempt to actually kill each other.

@Bold, what?? PK also has nothing to do with having a crew or not having a crew.

Except Garp and Roger nearly killed EACH OTHER. Smoker nearly killed Luffy because his Logia intangibility made it so that Luffy lacked the ability to injure him. Garp and Roger had the ability to injure each other so greatly, both of them almost died. Smoker vs Luffy was one-sided until Luffy learned Haki. Roger vs Garp was never one-sided.

Yes it does. Roger became the Pirate King because he was the captain of the first crew to travel all around the world. He could not have done that without a crew fighting alongside him. Without a cook, without a doctor, without a navigator, Roger would have never made it past the Grand Line. Without his crew, Luffy will never become Pirate King. Without Chopper to tend to battle wounds, he'd be dead. Without Nami's navigation, he'd be stuck in the Grand Line on that little-ass boat with Zoro and starved to death, lost. Without Sanji, he'd have no way of properly having enough food, and starve to death. Without Franky repairing, working on, or fixing the Sunny and providing a new ship, they'd have no vessel to even move from one location to another. All of these can't be provided by just being as strong as Roger.

Remove Luffy's crew from every arc, and he'd be dead. Without Nami, his fall would have led to Enel destroying Skypeia, resulting in his victory and Luffy's death via him falling from the sky. Luffy alone vs all of Barouge Works together at once during Alabasta. Luffy vs all of the enemies in Dressrosa by himself all at once. Luffy vs all of CP9 and the Marines by himself all at once. Luffy vs Arlong Pirates by himself all at once. Not one of these are scenarios where Luffy would have survived. Tell me, how does a dead man become Pirate King?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Zoro-obvious reasons
Roger
WB
Rayleigh
Garp
Shanks
Kaidou

 

[-Akuma-]

Mihawk most likely

Seen people putting him on yonkou level.

Giving how him and Shanks are portrayed there's nothing wrong with that.

OT:

Zoro and recently Luffy has been wanked lowkey.

 

[Bogard]

Prime Rayleigh is implied to be stronger than admirals and Zoro will surpass him. To surpass him, he has to fight someone at least as strong as Prime Rayleigh in an end of serie battle