When you compare Naruto to Sasuke, Kurama SHOULD be excluded.

[TiddlySkydiver]

Why exclude something a character uses, regardless of how OP? Doesn't make sense.

 

[Helikido]

where in the op does it say you must have the powers you were born with? :flaw: what he is bascially saying is that naruto relies on the 9 tails against strong people, while sasuke uses his own charka and does relie on nothing.

Exactly what I am saying.

omg this. this is what naruto fanboys hate to see, the reason why people dislike naruto. because he relies on the 9 tails everyday, but the op didnt say uzumakies were born with bijus, i think he said they were born with charka reserves like a tailed beast

Yup, and they still deny.

your the stupid one kid, susanno cant be given dumbass troll. itachi didnt give sasuke ems, sasuke didnt want itachi's eyes, till he went blind from useing his eyes to much. according to some people like you, sasuke is just suppose to stay blind and say no because he would be "given powers" madara did it and he is stronger than sasuke and naruto combine atm. only thing sasuke was given was amatersu to kill tobi if he should his eyes to sasuke. and if at that its not like it boosted his charka or made him super stronger.

naruto relies on the 9 tails charka to save him every fight, while sasuke fights alone and uses his own charka:flaw:

Look, MS kills the users chakra while bijiu give him chakra. That is not fair! And assume was never given his ms abilities.

Exactly my point. Characters like Kisame rely on Samehada which is not their own power. Sasuke also uses the EMS, which is relying on Itachi's power so he should not have that either. Naruto relies on Kurama's power, even though he's had it inside of him since he was a day old..I think Naruto wins.

Anyway I was being too specific for a reason because the OP is pointless, it's comparing Naruto's power which when you say Naruto you think of Naruto Uzumaki, Bijuu Mode etc.

That is Naruto and what he is capable of, so basically you're severely gimping him so Sasuke stands any chance whatsoever in a comparison. I thought the logic in the 1st post was retarded

Bro what I am saying is that the kid can't do anything without relying on a external source of chakra, I dare you to say I am wrong.

Sasuke was supposed to use his powers judicially and not overuse them cos with power comes the price that must be paid and Sasuke is not excused from the rule. Also note that Itachi didnt want Sasuke to have his eyes as he clearly intended Sasuke to be put on a permanent genjutsu if sasuke was found using itachi's eyes (See:

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). Also did sasuke take itachi's permission for his eyes? No, it was plainly equal to stealing. But since sasuke has lost his eyes, he is depending on Itachi's eyes (Something he is not born with, but added later like Kurama), for his vision and powers. So if one loses an arm in battle, and sews some else's arm to his own, can h call the arm his own? Sasuke's EMS not his own. He destroyed his own eyes and now asks for a new one. Also we are talking about sasuke not madara and dont compare madara to Sasuke or naruto they cant hold a candel to him. But even madara has other powers that are not his, Izuna's eyes, hashi cells, edo immortality etc atm so that dont count in this debate. If Naruto's kurama is to be excluded, and so is gona Sasuke's EMS as both powers are not their own. The sasuke fanboys are biased as usual. Also remember this:

Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju (Gaara was born jink too), so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.

Narutos base chakra is very pale compared to nagato and sasuke. He can't do much before he starts using sage mode. And sage mode itself is nothing compared to sasuke with Susano and or nagato.

@flcl724, Sasukefanboymuch? Sasuke is pethetic. SPAM MS/EMS Tech. That's all he does. Ever. He didn't earn his powers. All his MS Techs were GIVEN to him by Itachi, he was also GIVEN EMS by Itachi. No wonder he went blind in such a short amount of time. Go back and read the Manga chapter 544. This explains that the Tailed-Beasts' aren't their only/main source of power.

And this whole "When you compare Naruto to Sasuke, Kurama SHOULD be excluded." is stupid. If Kurama is excluded, so should Sasukes EMS... simple.

Sasukes ems is still a blood line trai. Don't be an idiot, don't be ignorant, even if kurama is taken away from naruto and ems from sasuke, sasuke can still kill naruto because naruto will pale compared to sasuke even in sage mode.

What he failed to realise is that naruto grew up with kurama and it is his power that was suppress kurama all this time, he been using his own power not kuramas. And it is not an uchiha bloodline the eternal ms because if you don't still or take someone eyes, you won't awaken it. Sorry buddy but your logic is wrong.

No mr. Your logic is wrong. Naruto with out kurama would be nowhere. Even with all Uzimaki traits he still cannot go as far as he is now without sage mode. Sasuke and his bloodline is better than naruto and his own blood line. That's my point.

Excuse me you annoying mole, but don't ever question me again or I'll embarrass you and everything you say or do. First off the only people who call other people kiddies on the internet are just trying to make themselves feel more mature. Second, Itachi gave Sasuke Ameratsu AND Susano. Are you that blind that you missed something as big as that? Have you seen the series through? It is alluded so many times in so many episodes that the tapping on the forehead let Itachi "help" or give him abilities he did it all the time. The way Itachi gave Sasuke Ameratsu was through just that, and he got Susanno the same way. Itachi GAVE Sasuke those abilities at once you fool. They both came about the same time, they both started weak and got stronger as he learned to master each kind of jutsu, and they both became an MS ability after itachi let Sasuke kill him - so if nothing else than by that very logic of MS Itachi gave him the abilities, again not to mention he physically did as well. So question me again you "dumbass troll" and I'll shove every fact about how Sasuke gets owned by Naruto down your little troll throat. And don't even think about respond without some facts or links or at least proper grammar, so I can at least embarrass you with SOME of your internet dignity lol.

You are a total complete retard who cannot comprehend anything you dwueeb. I would like to see you prove me wrong about what I'm gonna say. Ira hi never gave sasuke ms. He implanted amaturasu through the transcription seal so that it ONLY activates when he SEES Tobi. SIMILAR to how he had the crow implanted in naruto. Go get some common sense bro then come talk back on my thread before you say you can embarrass people because you look like a bitch. Also sasuke only awakened amaturasu because he knew the truth and thought of his brother as his "best friend" and since he killed him he unlocked ems. Quit being a fuk around here.

Dumb thread. If we're restricting ninjas to bloodline abilities only then no chidori, no bird summon, no nothing except the sharingan. In which case sasuke would be dead by now.

Not just bloodline abilities, only thing that rely on your own chakra.

i thinke i t's fair enough since naruto got the body to hold bijju then why not? my question is when naruto does not have the bijju control he cannot use most of his chakra due to suppresing the bijju chakra. Now he had it control that can be used also the naruto parrent sacrifice themselves for this just like for EMS you need sacrifice and eyes so everithing is fare. :noc:

It's not bro because look were kurama has gotten naruto.

 

[ReeseKage]

Sasuke has always relied on the help of others to become stronger as opposed to Naruto who trained hard. even with Itachis eyes or Orochimarus cursed mark Sasuke is no match for Naruto

 

[Helikido]

Sasuke has always relied on the help of others to become stronger as opposed to Naruto who trained hard. even with Itachis eyes or Orochimarus cursed mark Sasuke is no match for Naruto

Strip kyubi from naruto and ems from sasuke? All you will get is a naruto being burned by amaturasu or crushed by Susanoo. Don't say sasuke shouldn't have ms or sharingan. If so then naruto shouldn't have any Uzumaki traits.

 

[Mehedihasanhimel]

Lol.a fail thread.nothing to explain.everything is explained by fellow members.

 

[cozolinofly]

MS ems is a uchiha blood line ability buddy. I thought I said that?

kurama is not an uzamaki ability. Didn't I say that? And sasuke awekened his MS after he learned the truth . It was never given to him.

BM NARUTO>SASUKE EMS

 

[Takure]

Strip kyubi from naruto and ems from sasuke? All you will get is a naruto being burned by amaturasu or crushed by Susanoo. Don't say sasuke shouldn't have ms or sharingan. If so then naruto shouldn't have any Uzumaki traits.

How does Sasuke use Sus or Amat without his EMS? You failhardcoremate. Naruto still has Sage Mode, whilst Sasuke is left with nothing. If Sasuke lost his eyes, it would all be over. A blind Sasuke Vs. a SM Naruto. You Sir, trulyareafailperson.

 

[dragon uchiha]

Uzamaki Clan: All are born with big chakra reserves, and with a strong life force and bodies. None are born with Bijuus.

Uchiha Clan: All are born with the ability to awaken the sharingan and use it, and are also born with a more prestigious chakra of higher quality, which is why they are able to use the sharing an without any chakra drain. None are born with Bijuus.

Result?: At this point, they naruto and sasuke are both equal. They are both gifted with special genes from their clan. Their gifts are perfectly balanced.

BUT: Even after all that, naruta also has Kurama, an addition that outweighs throws that balance off..

Conclusion?: It is unfair to compare naruto with sasuke using kurama as that is not his own power.

Why?: Look back at manga, naruto always relies on an external source of chakra other than his weather it be sage mode or kurama.

Now look back at sasuke, he ONLY relies on his OWN chakra for ALL of his techniques except kirin. Never relies on an outer source of chakra.

Why waste your time and create such a thread?: That is because a thread similar like this one was created stating that it is fair to compare naruto with kurama to sasuke. Allot of people agreed and that only shows the failed logic some people have on NB. I'm just trying to point people in the right direction of thought. Or at least a logical one.

Your an idiot op!: Am I? You see, if they are given the same amount of gifts ( the body to naruto and the eyes to sasuke), wouldn't adding a bijuu throw off the balance?

Thank you some body has the sense to say that i be argueing with this morons its not even an contest no more its really not sasuke has pure skill not saying naruto dont but hes a better all around fighter then he his just saying. But i do agree with u 100 percent

 

[itachi10327]

:flaw: naruto learned with huge afforts including SM and beast control...however sasuke on the other hand lost his eyesight during the battle with Danjo and Kakashi and transplanted itachi's eyes and got MS/EMS. So while comparing between sasuke and naruto naruto's Karuma should be included as his power.

 

[Photon]

I hate it when people try to exclude things from peoples powers U_U he defeated kurama and trained to use his power is that not enough

 

[Anorien16]

Exactly what I am saying.

Yup, and they still deny.

Look, MS kills the users chakra while bijiu give him chakra. That is not fair! And assume was never given his ms abilities.

Bro what I am saying is that the kid can't do anything without relying on a external source of chakra, I dare you to say I am wrong.

Narutos base chakra is very pale compared to nagato and sasuke. He can't do much before he starts using sage mode. And sage mode itself is nothing compared to sasuke with Susano and or nagato.

Sasukes ems is still a blood line trai. Don't be an idiot, don't be ignorant, even if kurama is taken away from naruto and ems from sasuke, sasuke can still kill naruto because naruto will pale compared to sasuke even in sage mode.

No mr. Your logic is wrong. Naruto with out kurama would be nowhere. Even with all Uzimaki traits he still cannot go as far as he is now without sage mode. Sasuke and his bloodline is better than naruto and his own blood line. That's my point.

You are a total complete retard who cannot comprehend anything you dwueeb. I would like to see you prove me wrong about what I'm gonna say. Ira hi never gave sasuke ms. He implanted amaturasu through the transcription seal so that it ONLY activates when he SEES Tobi. SIMILAR to how he had the crow implanted in naruto. Go get some common sense bro then come talk back on my thread before you say you can embarrass people because you look like a bitch. Also sasuke only awakened amaturasu because he knew the truth and thought of his brother as his "best friend" and since he killed him he unlocked ems. Quit being a fuk around here.

Not just bloodline abilities, only thing that rely on your own chakra.


It's not bro because look were kurama has gotten naruto.

Oh really? Do u remember Kakashi stating that Naruto has nearly four times the chakra he hehimself has? Not to mention the fact much of the chakra goes to kee kurama sealed. Also to remind u again: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju (Gaara was born jink too). Since Gaara can still use his jink level powers despite not having bijus, it proves that all jinks have high chakra reserves compareable to their bijjus, which in turn means naruto has chakra compareable to a biju. Where i never remember anyone stating that Sasuke has chakra compareable to biju........ U fanboys can be so biased sometimes. Also Nagato is a monster even Sasuke cant hold a candle to him.

Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju (Gaara was born jink too), so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.

Sasuke's MS is his blood line trait. But his EMS and the boost that came from it is ITACHI's which had to be implanted externally and thus an external source of power like kurama. Also note with out EMS sasuke wld be blind and using walking-stick no jutsu.

Sahringan allowed sasuke to lear every jutsu fast at an inhuman speed too.

MS gives legendary powers that normal humans cant hope learn while Kurama interfares with moulding chakra, tries to take ur body over at every chance untill and unless he is tamed.

Sasuke depended on his CS (Naruto at valley, Chun exam, Itachi, Deidara etc) in a lot of his fights, even cheated by using orochimaru's drugs to develop CS2. Fought 4 Take VS 1 BEE and got owned thrice and had to be saved etc are few details that u have forgotten

 

[Hanabi legendary Kunoichi]

He is as much as a part of naruto as sasukes brothers eyes are apart of him, the same goes with tenten and her weapons and temari and her fan.

 

[NARUTO UZUMAKI FOR HOKAGE]

so many lulz so little time haha this whole thread is a fanboy cat fight.

 

[Anorien16]

so many lulz so little time haha this whole thread is a fanboy cat fight.

If the sasuke fanboy didnt post this thread, i wldnt have the fun i m having now trying to mess him up with proper reasonings. Fanboys have only proper use: To make sensible people laugh and be glad that there are 90% idiots out there in the world.

 

[Helikido]

If the sasuke fanboy didnt post this thread, i wldnt have the fun of messing him up with proper reasons.

Oh my god damn god, if he had as much chakra as a bijuu, then why is he getting his ass kicked by to I right now? huh? the kurama is now his friend and he is still getting his ass kicked without kurama. he cant do crap with his base chakra... and dude please I am not a sasuke fan boy. Naruto and sasuke both I despise because they cannot do shit on their own without having some power handed to them.

And let's say naruto doesn't have kurama, he would get his ass whooped by just normal MS sasuke. Don't ask why, you will look like a retard. He has no counter for any MS technique.

BTW: I suggest you fix your reasoning and get some proper logic and common sense.

 

[NARUTO UZUMAKI FOR HOKAGE]

If the sasuke fanboy didnt post this thread, i wldnt have the fun of messing him up with proper reasons.

yeah i read most of the thread, the logic that goes in these thread usually starts with ... if you remove this from ______. once you see that the thread is dead, just with a bunch of brain dead fanboys.

example ^^ above lol

 

[Takure]

Oh my god damn god, if he had as much chakra as a bijuu, then why is he getting his ass kicked by to I right now? huh? the kurama is now his friend and he is still getting his ass kicked without kurama. he cant do crap with his base chakra... and dude please I am not a sasuke fan boy. Naruto and sasuke both I despise because they cannot do shit on their own without having some power handed to them.

And let's say naruto doesn't have kurama, he would get his ass whooped by just normal MS sasuke. Don't ask why, you will look like a retard. He has no counter for any MS technique.

BTW: I suggest you fix your reasoning and get some proper logic and common sense.

Your whole argument is "Naruto wasn't born with Kurama, so he can't use it."

Sasuke wasn't born with MS. So he cant use that. In fact, he wasn't born with his normal Sharingan. Without his eyes, is nothing but a emochild.

 

[Joki]

Exactly what I am saying.

Yup, and they still deny.

Look, MS kills the users chakra while bijiu give him chakra. That is not fair! And assume was never given his ms abilities.

Bro what I am saying is that the kid can't do anything without relying on a external source of chakra, I dare you to say I am wrong.

Narutos base chakra is very pale compared to nagato and sasuke. He can't do much before he starts using sage mode. And sage mode itself is nothing compared to sasuke with Susano and or nagato.

Sasukes ems is still a blood line trai. Don't be an idiot, don't be ignorant, even if kurama is taken away from naruto and ems from sasuke, sasuke can still kill naruto because naruto will pale compared to sasuke even in sage mode.

No mr. Your logic is wrong. Naruto with out kurama would be nowhere. Even with all Uzimaki traits he still cannot go as far as he is now without sage mode. Sasuke and his bloodline is better than naruto and his own blood line. That's my point.

You are a total complete retard who cannot comprehend anything you dwueeb. I would like to see you prove me wrong about what I'm gonna say. Ira hi never gave sasuke ms. He implanted amaturasu through the transcription seal so that it ONLY activates when he SEES Tobi. SIMILAR to how he had the crow implanted in naruto. Go get some common sense bro then come talk back on my thread before you say you can embarrass people because you look like a bitch. Also sasuke only awakened amaturasu because he knew the truth and thought of his brother as his "best friend" and since he killed him he unlocked ems. Quit being a fuk around here.

Not just bloodline abilities, only thing that rely on your own chakra.


It's not bro because look were kurama has gotten naruto.

Uhh I hate to break it to you but it's actually an internal source..

 

[Helikido]

Sasuke wasn't born with MS. So he cant use that. In fact, he wasn't born with his normal Sharingan. Without his eyes, is nothing but a emochild.

Hey bro, I quit on this thread because of this post here... shows how much idiots like you really fail at common sense and logic.

It is a blood line. He is born with the ability to acquire them naturally.

That's all I'm going to say, mods please close this thread....

 

[Helikido]

Uhh I hate to break it to you but it's actually an internal source..

What did you just say? :flaw:

what part of using another beings chakra is an internal source? :flaw: