When you compare Naruto to Sasuke, Kurama SHOULD be excluded.

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Sasuke used the curse seal power to fight naruto when they tried to rescue him, i'm pretty sure he would have lost to Naruto if he fought as his regular self but he used the power orochimaru gave him, Naruto's still powerful as hell with his senjutsu
 

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Even if there is some truth to the OP, in the end it's a pointless objection. If you compare Naruto without the Kyuubi and Sasuke, you then have zero manga facts to draw on, making debate pointless.
 

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why do some of you even read naruto when you hate him lol you are ****ing stupid ...you know who you are lol
 

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Wait did he say Sage Mode was ...whatever? Anybody can use sage mode they just have to have big chakra reserves and and have the ability to get off their lazy asses and learn it.
 

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powers are different the jutsu you noob troll, sasuke was forced to take the cursemark by orochimaru. orochimaru wanted sasuke body so he gave him the mark to seek more. also sasuke uses his own charka to defeat strong foes not the charka of something else.

while naruto usues 9tails charka everytime he fights someone strong. theres been times when naruto was ktfo and could have easily been stab in the throat....but the 9 tails revievs him and boost his charka. both sasuke and naruto have trained equally harder. i think sasuke has fought much more harder people, and has been in more life and death situations. naruto just uses someone else charka to win.

sasuke final sussano> naruto 9 tails

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"In the future Sasuke will be > Naruto!":rolleyes:

Didn't reply to my post, I'll take that as you understanding what i said was correct?
 

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where in the op does it say you must have the powers you were born with? :flaw: what he is bascially saying is that naruto relies on the 9 tails against strong people, while sasuke uses his own charka and does relie on nothing.
Exactly my point. Characters like Kisame rely on Samehada which is not their own power. Sasuke also uses the EMS, which is relying on Itachi's power so he should not have that either. Naruto relies on Kurama's power, even though he's had it inside of him since he was a day old..I think Naruto wins.

Anyway I was being too specific for a reason because the OP is pointless, it's comparing Naruto's power which when you say Naruto you think of Naruto Uzumaki, Bijuu Mode etc.

That is Naruto and what he is capable of, so basically you're severely gimping him so Sasuke stands any chance whatsoever in a comparison. I thought the logic in the 1st post was retarded
 

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your the stupid one kid, susanno cant be given dumbass troll. itachi didnt give sasuke ems, sasuke didnt want itachi's eyes, till he went blind from useing his eyes to much. according to some people like you, sasuke is just suppose to stay blind and say no because he would be "given powers" madara did it and he is stronger than sasuke and naruto combine atm. only thing sasuke was given was amatersu to kill tobi if he should his eyes to sasuke. and if at that its not like it boosted his charka or made him super stronger.

naruto relies on the 9 tails charka to save him every fight, while sasuke fights alone and uses his own charka:flaw:

Sasuke was supposed to use his powers judicially and not overuse them cos with power comes the price that must be paid and Sasuke is not excused from the rule. Also note that Itachi didnt want Sasuke to have his eyes as he clearly intended Sasuke to be put on a permanent genjutsu if sasuke was found using itachi's eyes (See: ). Also did sasuke take itachi's permission for his eyes? No, it was plainly equal to stealing. But since sasuke has lost his eyes, he is depending on Itachi's eyes (Something he is not born with, but added later like Kurama), for his vision and powers. So if one loses an arm in battle, and sews some else's arm to his own, can h call the arm his own? Sasuke's EMS not his own. He destroyed his own eyes and now asks for a new one. Also we are talking about sasuke not madara and dont compare madara to Sasuke or naruto they cant hold a candel to him. But even madara has other powers that are not his, Izuna's eyes, hashi cells, edo immortality etc atm so that dont count in this debate. If Naruto's kurama is to be excluded, and so is gona Sasuke's EMS as both powers are not their own. The sasuke fanboys are biased as usual. Also remember this:

Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju (Gaara was born jink too), so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.
 
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@flcl724, Sasukefanboymuch? Sasuke is pethetic. SPAM MS/EMS Tech. That's all he does. Ever. He didn't earn his powers. All his MS Techs were GIVEN to him by Itachi, he was also GIVEN EMS by Itachi. No wonder he went blind in such a short amount of time. Go back and read the Manga chapter 544. This explains that the Tailed-Beasts' aren't their only/main source of power.

And this whole "When you compare Naruto to Sasuke, Kurama SHOULD be excluded." is stupid. If Kurama is excluded, so should Sasukes EMS... simple.
 
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What he failed to realise is that naruto grew up with kurama and it is his power that was suppress kurama all this time, he been using his own power not kuramas. And it is not an uchiha bloodline the eternal ms because if you don't still or take someone eyes, you won't awaken it. Sorry buddy but your logic is wrong.
 

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your the stupid one kid, susanno cant be given dumbass troll. itachi didnt give sasuke ems, sasuke didnt want itachi's eyes, till he went blind from useing his eyes to much. according to some people like you, sasuke is just suppose to stay blind and say no because he would be "given powers" madara did it and he is stronger than sasuke and naruto combine atm. only thing sasuke was given was amatersu to kill tobi if he should his eyes to sasuke. and if at that its not like it boosted his charka or made him super stronger.

naruto relies on the 9 tails charka to save him every fight, while sasuke fights alone and uses his own charka:flaw:

Excuse me you annoying mole, but don't ever question me again or I'll embarrass you and everything you say or do. First off the only people who call other people kiddies on the internet are just trying to make themselves feel more mature. Second, Itachi gave Sasuke Ameratsu AND Susano. Are you that blind that you missed something as big as that? Have you seen the series through? It is alluded so many times in so many episodes that the tapping on the forehead let Itachi "help" or give him abilities he did it all the time. The way Itachi gave Sasuke Ameratsu was through just that, and he got Susanno the same way. Itachi GAVE Sasuke those abilities at once you fool. They both came about the same time, they both started weak and got stronger as he learned to master each kind of jutsu, and they both became an MS ability after itachi let Sasuke kill him - so if nothing else than by that very logic of MS Itachi gave him the abilities, again not to mention he physically did as well. So question me again you "dumbass troll" and I'll shove every fact about how Sasuke gets owned by Naruto down your little troll throat. And don't even think about respond without some facts or links or at least proper grammar, so I can at least embarrass you with SOME of your internet dignity lol.
 

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Yes Kurama is an external entity for Naruto, however He is still part of naruto. What is the point of having a weapon and not using it? Kurama Is like samehada or sasukes sword. Naruto trained and mastered Kurama so why not use it?
 

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Ok then we have to exclude sasukes eyes. He is blind right now if he didn't take itachis eyes, which is something he was not born with.
 

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Dumb thread. If we're restricting ninjas to bloodline abilities only then no chidori, no bird summon, no nothing except the sharingan. In which case sasuke would be dead by now.
 

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Naruto would be able to use his chakra reserves, but most of his chakra goes to suppressing kurama's chakra. When naruto was learning to combine wind with his rasengan, kakashi said that naruto has around 3 times more chakra than him, he also goes on to day that he would have around 100 times more chakra than him if he didn't have to suppress kurama's chakra
 

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i thinke i t's fair enough since naruto got the body to hold bijju then why not? my question is when naruto does not have the bijju control he cannot use most of his chakra due to suppresing the bijju chakra. Now he had it control that can be used also the naruto parrent sacrifice themselves for this just like for EMS you need sacrifice and eyes so everithing is fare. :noc:
 

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Why not include everything that character has when compairing that character with other?
 

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Lolwut, you're saying naruto depends on his bijuu. Have you seen sasuke and his sharingan. He blinded his MS in like a few weeks it took Itachi years for that. Sasuke has used Susano'o and Ameterasu in almost all of his fights since MS and EMS. I'm not saying naruto doesn't depend on kurama but he uses it as a last resort. In almost all of his fights he goes in regular comes out kurama because he's too weak to finish his opponent. Sasuke goes in sharingan a'blazin in almost all of his fights. Personally they both depend on their attributes way to much. :shrug:
If kurama is excluded from the fight, sasuke's sharingan is excluded IMO.

Sorry to break your Bubble but naruto is the number 1 spameable ninja..
what sasuke has done with his new eyes are nothing compare to what naruto has done. Naruto Multi spaming Kagebushin and rasengan.. give me a break!.

Also, Sasuke is an uchiha those powers are in his bloodline they are all his powers..

But naruto is uzumaki, the most powerfull nuclear weapon was given to naruto.then he became dependable of that power..

Uzumaki are not born with Bijus! not his power, the speed he has is not his own, is what Mr. kyuby gave him, Infinity chakra, just give me a break.
Uzumaki chakra comes by default but +his mother chakra+kyuby chakra+regeneration..

Look at every manga out there, the 90-95% of the readers respect the main character but in naruto it just does not happen that way.

I am not a sasuke fanboy..

Sennin Naruto is my favorite, KYbuy naruto and Broken mode are bullshit! is not naruto's power.. even yamato told him that, stop using kyuby is not your damn power!
 
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And sasuke got EMS because of itachi :|
This thread fails big time
 

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exclude kurama then compare , naruto is still better

however kurama is weapon which will be used by the wielder , u can't prohibit naruto from using it
 

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When comparing them nothing should be taken away. Kishi intended to give each one something to make their fight even better. In the end they are equals and instead of skill and jutsu, pure desire and will is going give one or the other an advantage.
 
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