When people Say Hamura = Hagoromo or Hamura is top 10

[Jokule67]

Actually the Juubi Jinchuuriki can still die, they're only immortal when they have the power of the Shinju. Madara was only immortal after he absorbed the god tree, before that he said Gai nearly killed him and he feared getting hit by Naruto's RS a second time.

Yeah you right Hago did die of old age. And he dint get Sharinnegan till he absorbed the tree

 

[Styles]

Cool I seen that part in the last. I'm asking if he has like a huge chakra pool or reserves or access to any specialized jutsu for example those spikes in the Kaguya arc that turned the coolest guy into paper?

Ah probably not. As far as chakra reserves go not sure since I think he was using the Tenseigan altar for it's power.

Also has other abilities like gravity manipulation, powerful element releases and grants RSM/TSB automatically.

Also allows infinite quantity of TSB and creates constructs(hinatas cage).

May have many more abilities but Toneri is fodder much like the Tenseugan is basically filler so it wont ne covered anymore.

Well the TSB in general comes with the chakra mode.

 

[Jokule67]

It is still an ability. One Hamura does not have. I'm not trying to bash him but his comparison to Hagoromo is really out of the window.

Agreed.

He spoke to Hinata from the pure world with all of the otsutsuki. He even gave hinata power.

So yes he can do all that.

 

[Jokule67]

Ah probably not. As far as chakra reserves go not sure since I think he was using the Tenseigan altar for it's power.

Well the TSB in general comes with the chakra mode.

No ot doesnt bro. Toneri is the first with it.

 

[SenseiSama]

It is still an ability. One Hamura does not have. I'm not trying to bash him but his comparison to Hagoromo is really out of the window.

Agreed.

You talk as if Hamura needed ninjutsu to be on Hagoromo's level. His Jyuken can destroy anything made of chakra, that ability in itself is what puts him on par with the Sage.

 

[Styles]

No ot doesnt bro. Toneri is the first with it.

What? Toneri never had TSB till he used Tenseigan chakra mode.

 

[SaltySarcasm]

Should have said inb4 salty hamura fans :lol

Should have said "Let's not make a thread that sucks ass", considering you've never done that before :sdo:

 

[Made in Heaven]

Hamura isn't equal to Hagoromo, just as Naruto isn't to Sasuke, but he's very close, considering he has RSM and Tenseigan.

 

[Math42]

Should have said inb4 salty hamura fans :lol

Hamura is superior to Kaguya and Teuchi, because he is by default on par with Hagoromo. Hamura possesses the Tenseigan, no individual can defeat him!
(Please forgive my futile "trolling" effort.)

 

[neosmith500]

Yes. The Tenseigan is the level of power you would need to bring Stability to the Moon (smaller planet) while the Rin'negan is what you would need to bring Stability to the earth (Larger planet).

The tenseigan is a rip off of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan because Uchiha's do eye transplant to replace blindness. So there's a reason, unlike the Hyuga's case of swapping Byakugans. It's so much of a rip off that as the movie explaining, The swapped byakugan merges with Otsutsuki Chakra to trun into the Tenseigan just as the swapped Sharingan merges with Indra's chakra to become the EMS.

Power wise.

The Tenseigan allows the user to control attractive and repulsive forces - Rin'negan can do that too.

With the complete Tenseigan, the user is able to enter Tenseigan Chakra Mode, which grants the user enhanced physical capabilities as well as a number of Truth-Seeking Balls - Hagoromo can do that too.

comprised of all five nature transformations and Yin–Yang Release - Rin'negan grants that too

By infusing the balls with Tenseigan chakra, it is possible to utilise additional powerful techniques. - Already done.

The Tenseigan is also capable of moving the moon towards the Earth - The Rin'engan move the Moon away from the Earth.


So it pretty much makes you equavilent to around the same power as Juubito. So i'll agree that with the Tenseigan he's top ten but without it he's not.

Sounds about equal to me , especially since tenseigans feats were done by the vastly watered down and inferior user toneri.

Also T Hamura craps on juubito wats wrong with u?

 

[chaos control]

I think youre misunderstanding that Making an object the core of Chibaku tensei is SOLELY a Rin'negan feat. The Sealing of the Juubi is different and requires two seals.


I kinda agree here. I'm not trying to discredit his abilities am trying to place him directly where he belongs. With the Tenseigan he is on the level of Juubito. Without it he's not top ten. The whole concept of the Tenseigan makes very littles sense as eye transplant has only been done because there was no other option. Someone as powerful as Hamura couldn't control what was taking place on the Moon. And the other Otsutsuki who were there are weaker than Kinshiki and Momoshiki who are a little under Kage level. If you think it through you'll realize. Ashura had massive chakra pools and Bijuu Dama. A base Hamura wouldn't be able to counter than based on what is shown.

The entirety of the six paths chibaku tensei comes from the seals. The rinnegan is not involved in that technique. Remember, Naruto and Sasuke also made Kaguya the core of the chibaku tensei, and this was done just by Naruto and Sasuke touching her. Sasuke's rinnegan was not emphasized or focused on throughout the entirety of the Kaguya fight, nor was it emphasized when Kaguya was sealed. Only the hand touches were emphasized.

As for Hamura, he was rikudou level even without the tenseigan. Ignoring anime filler, it was shown in the manga and in the guide book to the Last that Hamura had six paths senjutsu and truth seeking balls (as well as the six paths yin power) during the fight with the juubi (which was before he awakened tenseigan). Now remember that with just truth seeking balls and flight alone, Obito was able to fodderize the edo hokages (blitzing Hashirama and Tobirama, and turning Hirzuen to dust). Also, remember that Sasuke was able to power up his chidori with six paths yin power. Now we don't necessarily know all of Hamura's abilities, so we don't know if his six paths senjutsu came with some kind of avatar. Therefore, I will say that you might be right about Indra and Asura beating him. If Hamura does have an avatar however, then he has just as much a chance to win as Indra and Asura.

Either way, Hamura is top 10 (regardless of whether or not he is stronger than Indra and Asura). Here is the top 10 as I see it:

1. Kaguya / Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed) (I might explain why I'm a little fuzzy about where I want to put Momoshiki in a later thread)
2. Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed) / Kaguya
3. Hagoromo
4. Madara
5. Obito
6. Naruto/Sasuke/Hamura
7. Naruto/Sasuke/Hamura
8. Naruto/Sasuke/Hamura
9. Indra/Asura
10 Indra/Asura
Shout out to Toneri who gets 11th place. After that either Kinshiki or Hashirama gets 12th (probably Hashirama). Then whoever doesn't get 12th gets 13th.