When people Say Hamura = Hagoromo or Hamura is top 10

[SasukeSixPack]

Hamura has

RSM
BYAKUGAN
TENSEIGAN



I think he matches up quite nicely with Hagaromo.

More like he matches up quite nicely with Juubito having the Tenseigan.

He doesn't have

Rin'negan tech's
Space time tech's
The ability to revive the dead
Immortality
Senjutsu

And I could go on..

 

[Jokule67]

Yes. The Tenseigan is the level of power you would need to bring Stability to the Moon (smaller planet) while the Rin'negan is what you would need to bring Stability to the earth (Larger planet).

The tenseigan is a rip off of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan because Uchiha's do eye transplant to replace blindness. So there's a reason, unlike the Hyuga's case of swapping Byakugans. It's so much of a rip off that as the movie explaining, The swapped byakugan merges with Otsutsuki Chakra to trun into the Tenseigan just as the swapped Sharingan merges with Indra's chakra to become the EMS.

Power wise.

The Tenseigan allows the user to control attractive and repulsive forces - Rin'negan can do that too.

With the complete Tenseigan, the user is able to enter Tenseigan Chakra Mode, which grants the user enhanced physical capabilities as well as a number of Truth-Seeking Balls - Hagoromo can do that too.

comprised of all five nature transformations and Yin–Yang Release - Rin'negan grants that too

By infusing the balls with Tenseigan chakra, it is possible to utilise additional powerful techniques. - Already done.

The Tenseigan is also capable of moving the moon towards the Earth - The Rin'engan move the Moon away from the Earth.


So it pretty much makes you equavilent to around the same power as Juubito. So i'll agree that with the Tenseigan he's top ten but without it he's not.

The true Tenseigan(Hamuras original) is the one in the center of the moon. The pairToneri used doesnt compare to the one in the center.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Cool I seen that part in the last. I'm asking if he has like a huge chakra pool or reserves or access to any specialized jutsu for example those spikes in the Kaguya arc that turned the coolest guy into paper?

He is Hagoromo's twin brother. Thus he received/inherited same amount of chakra like Hagoromo.

Hagoromo attained Rinnegan first before they fought with Juubi and at that time Hamura not yet awoken Tenseigan but still can fought with Juubi later.

Tenseigan much like Rinnegan hold specific power unlike Byakugan (a supplementary eyes). Like a Hyuuga, in time he still not possessed Tensigan yet, Hamura maybe developed some form of special Taijutsu.

Yes. The Tenseigan is the level of power you would need to bring Stability to the Moon (smaller planet) while the Rin'negan is what you would need to bring Stability to the earth (Larger planet).

Bull Shit, no where stated it can do that. Throw away the drugs buddy.

The tenseigan is a rip off of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan because Uchiha's do eye transplant to replace blindness. So there's a reason, unlike the Hyuga's case of swapping Byakugans. It's so much of a rip off that as the movie explaining, The swapped byakugan merges with Otsutsuki Chakra to trun into the Tenseigan just as the swapped Sharingan merges with Indra's chakra to become the EMS.

You clearly misinformed with all this BS you typed.

-Tenseigan eyes:-

It is possible to manifest a new Tenseigan by combining the chakra of Hamura's descendants within the Ōtsutsuki and Hyūga clans. When an Ōtsutsuki implants the Hyūga clan's Byakugan, the combination of their chakra will transform the Byakugan into the Tenseigan.Once implanted, the Byakugan will gradually synchronise with the Ōtsutsuki's chakra and mature into the Tenseigan, periodically causing its wielder painful pulsations in the process. Once the final, most painful pulsation has concluded, the Tenseigan will be complete.[3]

Nothing alike can be found there between EMS and Tenseigan. The reason that Toneri need Hanabi's Byakugan bcus he no longer had a Byakugan eyes.

Read the process to awaken the Tenseigan eyes there.

Power wise.

The Tenseigan allows the user to control attractive and repulsive forces - Rin'negan can do that too.

With the complete Tenseigan, the user is able to enter Tenseigan Chakra Mode, which grants the user enhanced physical capabilities as well as a number of Truth-Seeking Balls - Hagoromo can do that too.

comprised of all five nature transformations and Yin–Yang Release - Rin'negan grants that too

By infusing the balls with Tenseigan chakra, it is possible to utilise additional powerful techniques. - Already done.

The Tenseigan is also capable of moving the moon towards the Earth - The Rin'engan move the Moon away from the Earth.


So it pretty much makes you equavilent to around the same power as Juubito. So i'll agree that with the Tenseigan he's top ten but without it he's not

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Agree

 

[patrickscott]

Yes. The Tenseigan is the level of power you would need to bring Stability to the Moon (smaller planet) while the Rin'negan is what you would need to bring Stability to the earth (Larger planet).

The tenseigan is a rip off of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan because Uchiha's do eye transplant to replace blindness. So there's a reason, unlike the Hyuga's case of swapping Byakugans. It's so much of a rip off that as the movie explaining, The swapped byakugan merges with Otsutsuki Chakra to trun into the Tenseigan just as the swapped Sharingan merges with Indra's chakra to become the EMS.

Power wise.

The Tenseigan allows the user to control attractive and repulsive forces - Rin'negan can do that too.

With the complete Tenseigan, the user is able to enter Tenseigan Chakra Mode, which grants the user enhanced physical capabilities as well as a number of Truth-Seeking Balls - Hagoromo can do that too.

comprised of all five nature transformations and Yin–Yang Release - Rin'negan grants that too

By infusing the balls with Tenseigan chakra, it is possible to utilise additional powerful techniques. - Already done.

The Tenseigan is also capable of moving the moon towards the Earth - The Rin'engan move the Moon away from the Earth.


So it pretty much makes you equavilent to around the same power as Juubito. So i'll agree that with the Tenseigan he's top ten but without it he's not.

Thank you. =D

Also has other abilities like gravity manipulation, powerful element releases and grants RSM/TSB automatically.

Also allows infinite quantity of TSB and creates constructs(hinatas cage).

May have many more abilities but Toneri is fodder much like the Tenseugan is basically filler so it wont ne covered anymore.

Thank you too. =D

He is Hagoromo's twin brother. Thus he received/inherited same amount of chakra like Hagoromo.

Hagoromo attained Rinnegan first before they fought with Juubi and at that time Hamura not yet awoken Tenseigan but still can fought with Juubi later.

Tenseigan much like Rinnegan hold specific power unlike Byakugan (a supplementary eyes). Like a Hyuuga, in time he still not possessed Tensigan yet, Hamura maybe developed some form of special Taijutsu

Okay do you suppose he might have passed that technique down and it eventually resulted in less stronger variants like 64 Palms, gentle fist or you think the moves would be too strong?

 

[Jokule67]

More like he matches up quite nicely with Juubito having the Tenseigan.

He doesn't have

Rin'negan tech's
Space time tech's
The ability to revive the dead
Immortality
Senjutsu

And I could go on..

Hagaromo doesnt have space time or immortality dude.

And he does have senjutsu and six paths so speak what you know

 

[SasukeSixPack]

2016 and people still saying Naruto "needs" kyubii......

Do you even know that Kyubii become PART OF NARUTO's LIFE FORCE since he is just less than a few minutes being born into this world ?
without kyubii, Naruto is dead.... and he has 0 choice....

Dude...the Kyuubi is a 60 ft fox living inside of his body that has seperate chakra and lifeforce to Naruto..it is not APART of his Life force. If Naruto dies the Kyuubi simply comes out and go fcuks your village up.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Hagaromo doesnt have space time or immortality dude.

And he does have senjutsu and six paths so speak what you know

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If you don't think Hagoromo has Spacetime techniques please explain to me where Sasuke got Ameno from and explin to me if Hagoromo traveling to meet transmigrants isn't surpassing the limits of space and time

 

[Kirin The Dragon Sage]

Tenseigan and Rinnegan is created to fit story line for two strongest character with doujtsu.

Boruto = Sasuke


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You were saying?

That wasn't a rinnegan technique. Six paths chibaku tensei is a technique of the two seals (not the rinnegan).

OT: Your entire thread is baseless. You act as if Hamura was the exact same in terms of fighting style and power as the Hyuuga (when from what we've seen Hamura fought nothing like a Hyuuga). Hamura used rikudou senjutsu and truth seeking balls as well as the tenseigan and the six paths yin power. Also , while I am not saying that Hamura >= Hagoromo, you should know that tenseigan has showcased the power to destroy the earth by bringing down the moon , cutting the moon in half , etc... Hamura is way stronger than you give him credit for and he is definitely rikudou level. He is not as strong as Hagoromo, but he is most likely stronger than Indra and Asura based on what we've seen thus far.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Tenseigan and Rinnegan is created to fit story line for two strongest character with doujtsu.

Boruto =/= Sasuke


:/

The tenseigan was created to justify Hamura's strength and back story and it still didn't make him equivalent to Hagoromo.

Boruto isn't a transmigrant.

 

[Jokule67]

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If you don't think Hagoromo has Spacetime techniques please explain to me where Sasuke got Ameno from and explin to me if Hagoromo traveling to meet transmigrants isn't surpassing the limits of space and time

That isnt a tech thats reincarnation through your descendants.

Only the juubi jinchuriki is immortal. I am speaking of Jago BEFORE the juubi

 

[Ansatsuken]

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Okay do you suppose he might have passed that technique down and it eventually resulted in less stronger variants like 64 Palms, gentle fist or you think the moves would be too strong?

Not much we knew about Hamura's jutsu/power/capabilities. But if we take Hyuuga for an example and be a blue print for Hamura's capabilities, we can expect he have god level Jyuuken etc.

 

[Yatori]

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Your meme getting good day by day lol.

OT : nice fanfic!

 

[SasukeSixPack]

That wasn't a rinnegan technique. Six paths chibaku tensei is a technique of the two seals (not the rinnegan).

OT: Your entire thread is baseless. You act as if Hamura was the exact same in terms of fighting style and power as the Hyuuga (when from what we've seen Hamura fought nothing like a Hyuuga). Hamura used rikudou senjutsu and truth seeking balls as well as the tenseigan and the six paths yin power. Also , while I am not saying that Hamura >= Hagoromo, you should know that tenseigan has showcased the power to destroy the earth by bringing down the moon , cutting the moon in half , etc... Hamura is way stronger than you give him credit for and he is definitely rikudou level. He is not as strong as Hagoromo, but he is most likely stronger than Indra and Asura based on what we've seen thus far.

I think youre misunderstanding that Making an object the core of Chibaku tensei is SOLELY a Rin'negan feat. The Sealing of the Juubi is different and requires two seals.


I kinda agree here. I'm not trying to discredit his abilities am trying to place him directly where he belongs. With the Tenseigan he is on the level of Juubito. Without it he's not top ten. The whole concept of the Tenseigan makes very littles sense as eye transplant has only been done because there was no other option. Someone as powerful as Hamura couldn't control what was taking place on the Moon. And the other Otsutsuki who were there are weaker than Kinshiki and Momoshiki who are a little under Kage level. If you think it through you'll realize. Ashura had massive chakra pools and Bijuu Dama. A base Hamura wouldn't be able to counter than based on what is shown.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

That isnt a tech thats reincarnation through your descendants.

Only the juubi jinchuriki is immortal. I am speaking of Jago BEFORE the juubi

It is still an ability. One Hamura does not have. I'm not trying to bash him but his comparison to Hagoromo is really out of the window.

Agreed.

 

[lndra]

I see.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Bull Shit, no where stated it can do that. Throw away the drugs buddy.



You clearly misinformed with all this BS you typed.

-Tenseigan eyes:-



Nothing alike can be found there between EMS and Tenseigan. The reason that Toneri need Hanabi's Byakugan bcus he no longer had a Byakugan eyes.

Read the process to awaken the Tenseigan eyes there.

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Agree

You say it's BS when the Moon was Chibaku tensei? Not the smartest thing you've said.

The concept is still a rip off. The blending of eyes with chakra to produce stronger eyes was a concept of the Sharingan. Otsutsuki never did eye transplant with Hyuga's before Toneri.

 

[SenseiSama]

Why Hagoromo = Hamura

1. Yin = Yang

2. Hagoromo can master use of chakra, Hamura can destroy use of chakra

3. Hamura also had Six Path Senjutsu and TSB like Hagoromo

 

[Ansatsuken]

You say it's BS when the Moon was Chibaku tensei? Not the smartest thing you've said.

Yes in science POV, moon brought stability to earth but I speak about NV and fact and no where it stated that Hagoromo created a moon to stabilize earth/bring in stability. My thinking still on the right track buddy.

If that so, Hagoromo would created a moon for that purpose and not when Juubi need a sealing stone.

The concept is still a rip off. The blending of eyes with chakra to produce stronger eyes was a concept of the Sharingan. Otsutsuki never did eye transplant with Hyuga's before Toneri.

Bcus only Toneri want it and his reason:-

Concluding that mankind had used chakra for evil purposes, Toneri was determined to fulfil his clan's thousand year vow by destroying humanity with the power of the Tenseigan. To this end, he intended to drop the moon onto the Earth, confident that his ocular power would be able to restore it.

And clearly you not read the reason I posted for the sake to have an argument.

"Otusutsuki of Moon clan sealed all their eyes"

The first is known as the Energy Vessel (エネルギー体, Enerugī-tai), and is the Ōtsutsuki clan's greatest treasure. This is the altar into which the Ōtsutsuki Clan had been sealing their eyes for a thousand years, and "Hamura's Tenseigan" (ハムラの転生眼, Hamura no Tenseigan) is its core -- which of course indicates that Hamura had awakened the Tenseigan at some point before sealing it in the altar. The Energy Vessel apparantly uses his Tenseigan to act as a giant senjutsu chakra engine that collects and amplifies natural energy, and the Ōtsutsuki clan used the Vessel as an energy source to power everything on the moon, including the countless autonomous puppets that served them.

It was not a Rip-off bcus that was the nature of Tenseigan. First of all you said it copy EMS, your reason is "transplant and implant"

 

[SenseiSama]

That isnt a tech thats reincarnation through your descendants.

Only the juubi jinchuriki is immortal. I am speaking of Jago BEFORE the juubi

Actually the Juubi Jinchuuriki can still die, they're only immortal when they have the power of the Shinju. Madara was only immortal after he absorbed the god tree, before that he said Gai nearly killed him and he feared getting hit by Naruto's RS a second time.