[Debate] When does life start?

[Shinobi Train]

You can easily google the answer There is only one answer to the question.Why even make this type of thread ? Nobodies opinions matter ON THE SUBJECT because there is only 1 answer if their is anything more wrong then most of the options you put up there its peoples opinions/beliefs which last the time i check are not facts.



Report me if you think this is meant to be hurtful even though it is not meant to be so
i simply want to know why your presenting multiple answers while trying to masquerade it as a scientific question because it defeats the purpose

A very wise man told me once that truth is subjective. Simply because a person believes something to be true, does not necessarily make it so. For example, 2+2 is believed to equal 4...why? Well, because someone decided it did.

Pick up a book, hold it in your hands, read through it if you'd like. Now, that's a book, right? You believe it's a book, simply because we, as humanity, decided it was so. What if I decided that a rock was a book and it told a better story? I can read it just like that book, it has layers to it, just like that book, but we call it a rock.

What I'm suggesting here I expect no one to understand, I don't understand myself really, which is why I'm not explaining it properly. U_U

Just because people have decided something as a whole does not make it true. One theory actually suggests that objects are only solid because we believe them to be, if we were truly able to stop believing they were solid we'd pass right through.

In a nutshell, all I'm really saying is to think outside the box. It's not hard to do, and it gives appreciation for other people's point of view.

That being said, I believe that conception is the beginning of life "officially". Theoretically, that life was destined to be created, so if we remove the flow of time from the equation, they were always alive.

Feel free to raise your hand if you think I'm crazy (I'll go ahead and raise my own, since I know I must be to some extent). *Que Twilight Zone music*

:ice:

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Scientifically, after the fertilisation and the formation of a human embryo.

There is a difference between parts of a human being that only possess "human life" and a human embryo or human fetus that is an actual human being. If a single sperm or egg cell were implanted into a womb, they would not grow as human embryos or fetuses, but simply decay.

agreed. and thank you for that..

but i dont think i ever said anything to contradict what you said. i just said life is even before fertilization. sperm and egg are living organisms. when fused together they just turn into another form of a living organism and that is a zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, child, teen, adult (human) etc.

 

[Weezy]

whenever someone elses ends.

 

[bobssmurf]

life starts suposedly during conception, its like this, how does a baby kick? it must have some conseness sorry im not looking up on google how to spell it , basicaly its the dark you get or totaly darkness in the womb yeah sounds wierd i have a memory of this, not everyone does but like i said how does a baby kick ITS LIKE THIS PEOPLE SAY LIFE STARTS WHEN THEY COME OUT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT A DOCTOR CAN KILL THE BABY WHEN ITS HALFWAY OUT THE WOMB OR WHEN IT CROWNS? YES IT DOES OBAMA APPROVED THIS.

 

[Shirou Emiya]

i say when they unite otherwise you couldnt have an abortion because you cant kill unliving creatures

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

life starts suposedly during conception, its like this, how does a baby kick? it must have some conseness sorry im not looking up on google how to spell it , basicaly its the dark you get or totaly darkness in the womb yeah sounds wierd i have a memory of this, not everyone does but like i said how does a baby kick ITS LIKE THIS PEOPLE SAY LIFE STARTS WHEN THEY COME OUT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT A DOCTOR CAN KILL THE BABY WHEN ITS HALFWAY OUT THE WOMB OR WHEN IT CROWNS? YES IT DOES OBAMA APPROVED THIS.

I have managed to say only a joke in this thread, and have refrained from posting and calling people out on their blatant falsehoods. You sir, though are incorrect about basically everything you have said.

There is a difference between an embryo and an unborn baby. You tried to make a case for an embryo kicking the mother's stomach? You sure seem very knowledgeable about the topic...

In response to the bolded part, perhaps you should learn a little something about the law, because you are not even close to correct. I mean that statement doesn't even make sense.

People like you annoy me, and are dragging our society down with your uninformed opinions about topics that you barely comprehend.

So please, I urge you, learn more about the laws in the US before you start making them up and casting blame at people for imaginary things.
If you are having trouble reading them, I would suggest Sesame Street, or Reading Rainbow as introductory courses to the skill.

 

[Olorin]

I'm voting for conception. Abortion is one of those things future generations will look back at and be disgusted with, like we are with slavery.

that is SOOO not true, abortion is becoming more and more common
and the more open minded we get the more ppl are gonna be pro choice

It's when your soul is blown into your body

indeed (***sarcasm***)

ITS LIKE THIS PEOPLE SAY LIFE STARTS WHEN THEY COME OUT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT A DOCTOR CAN KILL THE BABY WHEN ITS HALFWAY OUT THE WOMB OR WHEN IT CROWNS? YES IT DOES OBAMA APPROVED THIS.

haha you should take some biology classes and a thesaurus and check what abortion means

youstartbeingahumanonceyoursocializationstartsbecauseifwedidntgothroughthatprocesswewouldallbehavelikemonkeysnothumans

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

how are you going to report bad comments on here?!

this thread has nothing to do with naruto...

isnt that agaisnt the rules???:flaw:

NO IT IS NOTU_U - Can you simply not read what the section was created for??? There are stickies. Please go read them before you start getting on a high horse U_U:flaw:

You can easily google the answer There is only one answer to the question.Why even make this type of thread ? Nobodies opinions matter ON THE SUBJECT because there is only 1 answer if their is anything more wrong then most of the options you put up there its peoples opinions/beliefs which last the time i check are not facts.



Report me if you think this is meant to be hurtful even though it is not meant to be so
i simply want to know why your presenting multiple answers while trying to masquerade it as a scientific question because it defeats the purpose

It's actually an unanswered questionU_U It will probably never be answered either.

When your soul is in heaven.

When one ends.

That's when you die. I was referring to life on Earth

life starts when its meant to.

And when is that?

whenever someone elses ends.

What does that even mean?

life starts when u buy a gameboy advance

Feel sorry for you then...

We are allowed to have discussion about our opinions in a civil manner no?

Just checking....​

Thank you Vision:ice:

 

[Mindless]

So when does life start?

*Does it start when the sperm and egg fuse to become 46 Chromosomes and then start dividing?

*Does it start when the embryo's heart starts beating?

*Does it start when all vital organs are present in the embryo?

*Does it start when the baby is out of the mother and breathing air?

So when do YOU say life begins?

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All Flaming in this thread will be reported. Same goes for spam (such as: "^this")​

I personally believe that life begins truly when you become a parent, a mother or a father to somebody carrying your genes ( a gene successor to be precise). Hence surrogate parenting is out. I believe this now since I've been believing in a lot of things that I now believe to be contradictory or part of some agenda of others and wish to become a true human by leading another 'new life'(my son/daughter) along the right path.:shrug:

Here is where things become boring.

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The following references are for those who needs to brush up on their choices if aiming for a scientific view of life. There are chiefly 6+1 Views to how life Began. I used to believe in some, but today I'm not a supporter of any of these.

For the record, I was born with a identical twin brother 5 minutes older than me (12:30AM and 12:35AM) and is a Catholic

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(Bible is a work of fiction, religion is for those that need it, not to be forced on others, having good-looking idols in religion is all about satiating the sexual tastes in followers)

A Genetic View

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Argue that since a genetically unique individual is created at the time of fertilization, each life begins at fertilization. The zygote formed at fertilization is different from all others and, if it survives, will grow into a person with his or her own unique set of genes. In this view, the terms fertilization and conception are interchangeable.

The phenomenon of twinning is sometimes used to argue against this position. Until about day 14, there is the possibility that the zygote will split, producing twins. Those who oppose a genetic view say that there is no uniqueness to the zygote, no humanness or personhood, until the potential for twinning has passed. They ask, if the zygote is an individual “person” at fertilization, then what is the nature of that “personhood” if the zygote should split into two individuals?

Another objection to this view is the fact the many fertilized eggs never successfully implant. An estimated 20–50 percent of fertilizations die or are spontaneously aborted.4 Thus, those who raise this objection hold that, since there are such a large number of zygotes that never fully develop, those zygotes are not truly human.

However, neither of the objections can be so easily supported. The twinning objection falls short when one considers the problem presented by the existence of so-called Siamese twins. In these cases, the zygote does not completely split, and the children are born joined together, often sharing certain body organs. Nonetheless, both twins have distinct personalities and are distinct individuals. Here the “personhood” obviously could not be granted after twinning since the process was never completed.

The second objection, the high loss rate of zygotes, is also not logical. The occurrence of spontaneous abortions does not mean that the lost were not fully human, any more than the development of some deadly disease in a child makes the child suddenly nonhuman.

The Implantation View

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An increasingly heard viewpoint today is related to the implantation of the blastocyst into the uterine lining. This implantation process begins on day six following fertilization and can continue until around day nine. Some now suggest that it is not until this time that the zygote can be called human life. However, achieving implantation does not make the individual more human; rather, implantation makes the individual more likely to survive.

In the 26th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception was defined as the “act of conceiving, or becoming pregnant; fertilization of the oocyte (ovum) by a spermatozoon to form a viable zygote.”5 Conception was defined as the time of fertilization.

In the 27th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception is defined as follows: “Act of conceiving; the implantation of the blastocyte in the endometrium.”6 Note here that implantation is now the defining point in conception. The scientific community arbitrarily, without any scientific justification, redefined the starting point of life.

According to the redefined view, a zygote less than nine or so days old, having not yet completed implantation, would not be considered alive. If it is not alive, it certainly cannot be human. This change was completely arbitrary, for there was no basic change in the understanding of the developmental process that would make this redefinition necessary.

The new definition would, however, have great implications in the political, ethical, and moral arenas. Personal and governmental decision-making on such issues as embryonic stem cell research, cloning, and the so-called “morning after pill” directly depends on the validity of this definition. If preimplantation blastocysts were not really alive, they could be guiltlessly harvested or destroyed prior to the six-to-nine day mark because “conception” had not yet occurred.

The Embryological View

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Holds that human life begins 12–14 days after fertilization, the time period after which identical twins would not occur. (Embryo can refer to the developing baby at two to three weeks after fertilization or more loosely to all the stages from zygote to fetus.) No individuality and therefore no humanness is considered to exist until it is not possible for twinning to happen. Here, the initial zygote is not human and possesses no aspect of “personhood.” As stated previously, this line of reasoning fails because of the shortcoming of the twinning argument itself. Specifically, the fact that conjoined (Siamese) twins are distinct persons is undeniable; their humanity is not obviated by the fact that they share body parts.

The Neurologic View

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In this view, human life begins when the brain of the fetus has developed enough to generate a recognizable pattern on an electroencephalogram (EEG). Here, it is proposed that humanness is attained when the brain has matured to the point that the appropriate neural pathways have developed.7 This point is reached at about 26 weeks after fertilization. After this level of maturation has been achieved, the fetus is presumably able to engage in mental activity consistent with being human.

Others take a different view of neurological maturation and propose that human life begins at around 20 weeks gestation. This is the time when the thalamus, a portion of the brain that is centrally located, is formed. The thalamus is involved in processing information before the information reaches the cerebral cortex and also is a part of a complex system of neural connections that play a role in consciousness.

These distinctions are arbitrary. The developing brain does display some electrical activity before the 26-week mark. It could just as easily be argued that any brain activity would constitute humanness.

The Ecological View

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Hold that the fetus is human when it reaches a level of maturation when it can exist outside the mother’s womb. In other words, a fetus is human when it can live separated from its mother. Here the limiting factor is usually not neurological development, but rather the degree of maturation of the lungs.

The problem is that, over the last century, we have been becoming human earlier and earlier. Here the issue is not the actual stage of development of the fetus. The limiting factor rather is the current state of medical technology. For example, some 20 years ago the age of viability of a prematurely born fetus was about 28 weeks; today it is around 24 weeks. Thus, in this view, man himself, through his advances in technology, can grant humanness where it did not previously exist!

The Birthday View

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Holds that human life begins only at the point when the baby is born. Here the baby is human when the umbilical cord is cut, and the child survives based on the adequate functioning of its own lungs, circulatory system, etc.

The shortcoming of this reasoning is that even after birth, the child is not truly independent of its mother. Without care from someone, an infant would die very shortly after birth. This supposed “independence” is very much an arbitrary concept.

Other Views

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There are still other points of view as to the question of when human life begins. Some suggest that a fetus is human when the mother can feel it move in the womb. Others say that humanness begins when the child takes its first breath on its own. Francis Crick, one of the co-discoverers of the structure of DNA, says that a child should not be declared “human” until three days after birth.

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Scott Gilbert, PhD, professor of biology at Swarthmore College, notes, “If one does not believe in a ‘soul,’ then one need not believe in a moment of ensoulment. The moments of fertilization, gastrulation, neurulation, and birth, are then milestones in the gradual acquisition of what it is to be human.

While one may have a particular belief in when the embryo becomes human, it is difficult to justify such a belief solely by science.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Haha this is one of the topics you discuss after hitting a bowl.

But anyway, I think it starts once you go off to college... Or whatever moment you choose for Mommy and Daddy to stop taking care of you. Then you realize that life is good and a pain in the ass at the same time.

When does it TRULY start? When that baby develops a heartbeat. But my first answer suffices for my opinion.

 

[icha icha naruto]

Life starts when you involuntarily try to live.

 

[Fie94]

when u make ur first memory ,life starts from then ..imO.-

 

[leggomynecro]

sperm + egg = life.

This is the recipe to create a human life and where it (life) begins. All other opinions are incorrect.

BTW very odd thread on anime site.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

sperm + egg = life.

This is the recipe to create a human life and where it (life) begins. All other opinions are incorrect.

BTW very odd thread on anime site.

It's not odd since this section was made for such matters

General Discussion Discuss here the latest headlines and debate on serious matters.

This would fall under "Serious Matters"

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Did you really think you would have a serious conversation about this matter on a website for children's manga?

I don't consider Naruto a "Children's Manga" cause if I did, that means I'm a child.

And yes I was having serious conversations about this matter

Anyways...please read this postU_U

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[leggomynecro]

THE MOMENT LIFE begins. The way I read that is, the moment a human is created, again sperm + egg = life. No other way to look at it. There is no gray area in this matter.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

THE MOMENT LIFE begins. The way I read that is, the moment a human is created, again sperm + egg = life. No other way to look at it. There is no gray area in this matter.

You could also say that Life starts when the transition from breathing through water to breathing air appears (After birth)

Many say life starts when the baby comes out.

There's no definite answer to the question

 

[ThePieness]

This makes me think lol. *contemplates*

 

[mastrer]

Its an interesting question, but going by the very first post, all living cells are exactly that, alive. Be they a sperm cell or an egg cell or a zygote. Maybe the real question is at what point is there a distinction between a multi-cellular organism, an animal (distinct/specialised organs, but not sentient) and a human being. As the way I see it this is the evolutionary process to becoming human through reproduction. I would say the distinction occurs with the first thought. Now whether this occurs inside or outside the womb is a new question altogether. Thoughts... :shrug:

 

[benIncher]

Psychologically it would be at about 4/5 years old. Up till those ages we have as much control over our own life as a pet. I would say that life starts when memories begin to develop.
Medically it is about 24 weeks after fertilization, in the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the fetus can be aborted.
Socially, it depends, some would say that age 16 is the beginning of life, as this is the accepted age of beginning a life away from family.
Religiously it wold be when the sperm meets the egg, thus making abortion of a fetus an act of murder.
I would say that there is no accepted beginning of life. My earliest memories start from the ages of 7, so this is the beginning of life as I remember, from the ages of 0 to 6, I may as well have been non existent. But, other people have memories of me before that age, so to them I was very much alive.
This is a debatable subject, that none can give a generalized response for. Certain methods of study and belief systems have varying answers.