What's your thoughts on kawakiis backstory

[MomoSaka]

It's nothing special tbh, but I got some part 1 vibes when I saw it for the first time....the nostalgia.:T_T:

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Let's see about that. I sill have my hopes that they'll eventually realize how much of a shit caracter Bort is, sooner or later.

Boruto is actually the reason why the show is still on going. He resembles Naruto. There would be even less people if the story was about something else (new gen).


You better stay in Astroworld. Forever. Nothing good is coming from Boruto series.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Let's see about that. I sill have my hopes that they'll eventually realize how much of a shit caracter Bort is, sooner or later.

I agree, the sooner the better. Hopefully we get a new character that replaces him who is more dynamic, entertaining and has originality.

 

[123fire]

Wasnt Yamato created as an experiment ? Kawaki is human

did u watch naruto shippuden? this is the dumbest thing u have ever said

 

[Glad Of War]

Nah it's nothing special, there aren't any mysteries left to explore. Kawaki was brought, experimented on, he survived like Yamato and was modified. He's missed off he was being used and wants to remove the mark to free himself, something will happen (Himawari's death + Hinata's) which'll force him to embrace the power. I think it'll drive both Kawaki and Burt to go rogue they'll differ on how to handle it. Kawaki will blame Naruto(head of ninja) for being responsible for their death and kill him bringing an end to ninja. Naruto2.0(Burt) will appear and try to stop him with his plot armour + ass pulls/handouts, Kawaki will have a change of heart (Obito) then he'll be used as a vessel and be taken over or used to revive the final villian.

Typical and predictable, nothing new here whatsoever. Btw Sasuke wasn't one dimensional he was quite complex and was going through internal conflict of varying degrees.

There's nothing special about his backstory? I beg to differ. For one, Kawaki backstory is based on an unexplored characterization; being physically abused by his parents. In Naruto series, we never saw a main character abused physically by his or her parents, so don't bother to mention Sasuke, or Gaara, neither were abused physically. Kawaki was also sold by his parent, like an auction, which posit he was never loved. Again, we never saw a main character who lacked love from his or her parent. Gaara, despite the fact there was several attempts on his life by Rasa, was truly loved by him. Okay, the whole experiment on a child isn't unprecedented, nonetheless the implications behind the experiment seems to be unrelated in the sense that Kawaki is a vessel for something. Yamato was never a vessel, and unlike Sasuke, Kawaki is rebellious about it. In fact, he loathe his powers, and wants to get rid of it, which is far-cry from Sasuke characterization who accepted it. If we want to talk about on what happens next, what encourages him to accept his powers since the prologue of the series heavily suggested he will eventually acquiesce his power, we can only speculate. Thus, what you have predicted may likely not be actualize. I'm not sure why you're using it as an exemplification to posit his backstory would lead to something predictable. I can actually concoct a scenario that would suggest the opposite, but it would be just as unfounded as your proposition. Furthermore, I wouldn't say Sasuke was complex. He was plagued by his inner-demons, and an uncompromising taste for revenge, but apart from that there was nothing intricate about his character. Kawaki on the other hand seem to have a grounded personality. When he was first introduced, we all thought he was a spitting image of Sasuke; introverted, insouciant, and belittling. However we soon found out that he's actually quite caring, as seen when he was sorry for breaking Himawari vase. He's also willing to work with Boruto without looking down on him. Ultimately what stands out with his character is his not-so-complex intentions. He's not trying to take over the world, he's not trying to kill a certain person, he just wants to get rid off his powers and be left alone. That ironically makes his characterization complex for the sole reason that it doesn't adhere with the characterization of his predecessors, and yet he's a semblance of them.

 

[123fire]

There's nothing special about his backstory? I beg to differ. For one, Kawaki backstory is based on an unexplored characterization; being physically abused by his parents. In Naruto series, we never saw a main character abused physically by his or her parents, so don't bother to mention Sasuke, or Gaara, neither were abused physically. Kawaki was also sold by his parent, like an auction, which posit he was never loved. Again, we never saw a main character who lacked love from his or her parent. Gaara, despite the fact there was several attempts on his life by Rasa, was truly loved by him. Okay, the whole experiment on a child isn't unprecedented, nonetheless the implications behind the experiment seems to be unrelated in the sense that Kawaki is a vessel for something. Yamato was never a vessel, and unlike Sasuke, Kawaki is rebellious about it. In fact, he loathe his powers, and wants to get rid of it, which is far-cry from Sasuke characterization who accepted it. If we want to talk about on what happens next, what encourages him to accept his powers since the prologue of the series heavily suggested he will eventually acquiesce his power, we can only speculate. Thus, what you have predicted may likely not be actualize. I'm not sure why you're using it as an exemplification to posit his backstory would lead to something predictable. I can actually concoct a scenario that would suggest the opposite, but it would be just as unfounded as your proposition. Furthermore, I wouldn't say Sasuke was complex. He was plagued by his inner-demons, and an uncompromising taste for revenge, but apart from that there was nothing intricate about his character. Kawaki on the other hand seem to have a grounded personality. When he was first introduced, we all thought he was a spitting image of Sasuke; introverted, insouciant, and belittling. However we soon found out that he's actually quite caring, as seen when he was sorry for breaking Himawari vase. He's also willing to work with Boruto without looking down on him. Ultimately what stands out with his character is his not-so-complex intentions. He's not trying to take over the world, he's not trying to kill a certain person, he just wants to get rid off his powers and be left alone. That ironically makes his characterization complex for the sole reason that it doesn't adhere with the characterization of his predecessors, and yet he's a semblance of them.

omg best post in narutobase 2017-2018. Congrats!

 

[Nick01]

why are u always the first to reply??? you are the member who's interested the most in boruto. even fans like dgrayman don't comment and discuss it as much as you. EXPOSED

Makes sense. What's worse is the terrible fanfic he keeps spreading on a daily basis. Pity.

OT : Uninteresting.

 

[Jinrou]

Wow.. your post along side Glad's make for an interesting take on the character. As a non reader, the images and threads posted these days mostly portrayed him as a Sasuke type character to me. Thanks.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

There's nothing special about his backstory? I beg to differ. For one, Kawaki backstory is based on an unexplored characterization; being physically abused by his parents. In Naruto series, we never saw a main character abused physically by his or her parents, so don't bother to mention Sasuke, or Gaara, neither were abused physically. Kawaki was also sold by his parent, like an auction, which posit he was never loved. Again, we never saw a main character who lacked love from his or her parent. Gaara, despite the fact there was several attempts on his life by Rasa, was truly loved by him. Okay, the whole experiment on a child isn't unprecedented, nonetheless the implications behind the experiment seems to be unrelated in the sense that Kawaki is a vessel for something. Yamato was never a vessel, and unlike Sasuke, Kawaki is rebellious about it. In fact, he loathe his powers, and wants to get rid of it, which is far-cry from Sasuke characterization who accepted it. If we want to talk about on what happens next, what encourages him to accept his powers since the prologue of the series heavily suggested he will eventually acquiesce his power, we can only speculate. Thus, what you have predicted may likely not be actualize. I'm not sure why you're using it as an exemplification to posit his backstory would lead to something predictable. I can actually concoct a scenario that would suggest the opposite, but it would be just as unfounded as your proposition. Furthermore, I wouldn't say Sasuke was complex. He was plagued by his inner-demons, and an uncompromising taste for revenge, but apart from that there was nothing intricate about his character. Kawaki on the other hand seem to have a grounded personality. When he was first introduced, we all thought he was a spitting image of Sasuke; introverted, insouciant, and belittling. However we soon found out that he's actually quite caring, as seen when he was sorry for breaking Himawari vase. He's also willing to work with Boruto without looking down on him. Ultimately what stands out with his character is his not-so-complex intentions. He's not trying to take over the world, he's not trying to kill a certain person, he just wants to get rid off his powers and be left alone. That ironically makes his characterization complex for the sole reason that it doesn't adhere with the characterization of his predecessors, and yet he's a semblance of them.

Gaara's dad repeatedly sent assassins after him. If that isn't physical abuse I dunno what is.

 

[Jinrou]

Gaara's dad repeatedly sent assassins after him. If that isn't physical abuse I dunno what is.

It is weird.. but to be fair it does hint that Rasa did love him enough not to attempt to kill Gaara himself which i believe is his point.

 

[salamander uchiha]

There's nothing special about his backstory? I beg to differ. For one, Kawaki backstory is based on an unexplored characterization; being physically abused by his parents. In Naruto series, we never saw a main character abused physically by his or her parents, so don't bother to mention Sasuke, or Gaara, neither were abused physically. Kawaki was also sold by his parent, like an auction, which posit he was never loved. Again, we never saw a main character who lacked love from his or her parent. Gaara, despite the fact there was several attempts on his life by Rasa, was truly loved by him. Okay, the whole experiment on a child isn't unprecedented, nonetheless the implications behind the experiment seems to be unrelated in the sense that Kawaki is a vessel for something. Yamato was never a vessel, and unlike Sasuke, Kawaki is rebellious about it. In fact, he loathe his powers, and wants to get rid of it, which is far-cry from Sasuke characterization who accepted it. If we want to talk about on what happens next, what encourages him to accept his powers since the prologue of the series heavily suggested he will eventually acquiesce his power, we can only speculate. Thus, what you have predicted may likely not be actualize. I'm not sure why you're using it as an exemplification to posit his backstory would lead to something predictable. I can actually concoct a scenario that would suggest the opposite, but it would be just as unfounded as your proposition. Furthermore, I wouldn't say Sasuke was complex. He was plagued by his inner-demons, and an uncompromising taste for revenge, but apart from that there was nothing intricate about his character. Kawaki on the other hand seem to have a grounded personality. When he was first introduced, we all thought he was a spitting image of Sasuke; introverted, insouciant, and belittling. However we soon found out that he's actually quite caring, as seen when he was sorry for breaking Himawari vase. He's also willing to work with Boruto without looking down on him. Ultimately what stands out with his character is his not-so-complex intentions. He's not trying to take over the world, he's not trying to kill a certain person, he just wants to get rid off his powers and be left alone. That ironically makes his characterization complex for the sole reason that it doesn't adhere with the characterization of his predecessors, and yet he's a semblance of them.

If you'd written paragraphs I would've given a proper response. Anyway you constructed straw men, assumed claims were made then proceeded to refute them(strawmen).

Gaara's dad repeatedly sent assassins after him. If that isn't physical abuse I dunno what is.

Agreed mate, people often forget that or Hinata's dad sent her off to die after her beatdown, for which he was personally responsible(holding the duel).

 

[Glad Of War]

If you'd written paragraphs I would've given a proper response. Anyway you constructed straw men, assumed claims were made then proceeded to refute them(strawmen).



Agreed mate, people often forget that or Hinata's dad sent her off to die after her beatdown, for which he was personally responsible(holding the duel).

Nope I didn't assume anything. I simply explain why Kawaki backstory is special, and why Sasuke isn't a complex character. I also explained any proposition about what would happen to Kawaki, encouraging him to attack the leaf is pure speculation.

Also, am talking about physical abuse from your parents.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nope I didn't assume anything. I simply explain why Kawaki backstory is special, and why Sasuke isn't a complex character. I also explained any proposition about what would happen to Kawaki, encouraging him to attack the leaf is pure speculation.

Nope you assumed what my points inferred and created strawmen to dismiss. And Sasuke's character is more comes than revenge, you ignored everything before and after which led to his beliefs, the change in his beliefs, the decline, the conflict he was constantly in and why and how it changed, the rise and a new ideal. The final fight where he wanted to cement his final resolution and the why behind it. Pages could be written on Sasuke's complexities, I know this and I'm not even a fanboy.

Also, am talking about physical abuse from your parents.

Parent, sibling, underling all doing it with the authorisation of the parent still falls under the same remit. So no it's not a new idea, In fact there are no new ideas as all sotires originate from 7, how they are conveyed or structured makes or breaks them.

 

[Glad Of War]

Nope you assumed what my points inferred and created strawmen to dismiss. And Sasuke's character is more comes than revenge, you ignored everything before and after which led to his beliefs, the change in his beliefs, the decline, the conflict he was constantly in and why and how it changed, the rise and a new ideal. The final fight where he wanted to cement his final resolution and the why behind it. Pages could be written on Sasuke's complexities, I know this and I'm not even a fanboy.



Parent, sibling, underling all doing it with the authorisation of the parent still falls under the same remit. So no it's not a new idea, In fact there are no new ideas as all sotires originate from 7, how they are conveyed or structured makes or breaks them.

Can you point out what points of yours I misinterpreted? Sasuke's characterization was always about revenge. From his introduction, he stated all he wanted to do was to kill a certain main. The series constantly expressed the epithet; "avenger" to indicate Sasuke's ultimate impulse. He only changed after Itachi died, and even then, the variances of his subsequent intentions was in large part about avenging.

Again, being physically abused by your parents was never presented by the series.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Can you point out what points of yours I misinterpreted? Sasuke's characterization was always about revenge. From his introduction, he stated all he wanted to do was to kill a certain main. The series constantly expressed the epithet; "avenger" to indicate Sasuke's ultimate impulse. He only changed after Itachi died, and even then, the variances of his subsequent intentions was in large part about avenging.

Ignoring most of the rant, I never said Yamato was experimented on for the purpose of being a vessel, which is one of the ways you tried to dismiss the point. Having said that Orochimaru was working on acquiring abilities, had Yamato remained he would've served the function of a tool(like Kawaki) and possible vessel in one way or another. There are others but just one point will suffice.

No. Sasuke's want of revenge was driven by his family experiences and the loss of experiences, it was ever changing. Kawaki is experiencing family and the possible loss of them, to the point where he solos his possible father/family (Naruto) and declares the end of an age of ninja, Sasuke does something similar with Itachi on the loss of family.

Pages can be written on Sasuke's character and I'm not going to go indepth. The avenger existed for a reason and purpose which drove him to take drastic actions, Sasuke was venting via it.

Again, being physically abused by your parents was never presented by the series.

Buddy, Hiashi beat down Hanabi(via training), God only knows what happened to Hinata, physical alongside mental abuse being treated like your worthless and better of if you never existed or died. Anyway under first principles all the aforementioned methods still fall under the same definiton. Even under legal jargon, If I order the hit I'm as guilty as the one that carries it out moreso in fact.

 

[Glad Of War]

Ignoring most of the rant, I never said Yamato was experimented on for the purpose of being a vessel, which is one of the ways you tried to dismiss the point. Having said that Orochimaru was working on acquiring abilities, had Yamato remained he would've served the function of a tool(like Kawaki) and possible vessel in one way or another. There are others but just one point will suffice.

No. Sasuke's want of revenge was driven by his family experiences and the loss of experiences, it was ever changing. Kawaki is experiencing family and the possible loss of them, to the point where he solos his possible father/family (Naruto) and declares the end of an age of ninja, Sasuke does something similar with Itachi on the loss of family.

Pages can be written on Sasuke's character and I'm not going to go indepth. The avenger existed for a reason and purpose which drove him to take drastic actions, Sasuke was venting via it.




Buddy, Hiashi beat down Hanabi(via training), God only knows what happened to Hinata, physical alongside mental abuse being treated like your worthless and better of if you never existed or died. Anyway under first principles all the aforementioned methods still fall under the same definiton. Even under legal jargon, If I order the hit I'm as guilty as the one that carries it out moreso in fact.

I never said, you said that. I just put it down just in case you were going to make a point about it. It was never actually mentioned Orochimaru wanted Yamato has a vessel. Trying to form a premise that would lead to that conclusion is speculation at best, which again, is unfounded. Sasuke's revenge of course was an effect of his parents dying, and his brother betrayal. Though the point is, Sasuke's motivation was entirely based on revenge, and while the reasons change, his characterization of being an avenger did not change.

Being physically abused, while it has an universal definition varies in magnitude, and effect (especially psychologically) with each form of action. Thus, you cannot equalize the examples you gave, with getting physically abused by your parents.

 

[super michael]

Wasnt Yamato created as an experiment ? Kawaki is human

Yamato was born a regular human, who was given Hashirama DNA.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I never said, you said that. I just put it down just in case you were going to make a point about it. It was never actually mentioned Orochimaru wanted Yamato has a vessel. Trying to form a premise that would lead to that conclusion is speculation at best, which again, is unfounded.

Orochimaru wanted Yamato as a means to an end not an end in itself the same it true for Kawaki. Both are tools and the point would still stand.

Sasuke's revenge of course was an effect of his parents dying, and his brother betrayal. Though the point is, Sasuke's motivation was entirely based on revenge, and while the reasons change, his characterization of being an avenger did not change.

Actually, revenge is the objective not the motivation, the causes are the previous experiences and the effect based off them is revenge in Sasuke's case. Perhaps you weren't reading the same manga as you missed the finer points, towards reaching his goal Sasuke's character was undergoing a change. The same is true for Naruto, while heading towards his goal his character was undergoing change. The reasons behind the changes are demonstrated by kishi via the actions the characters take and pages can be written on their complexity.

Being physically abused, while it has an universal definition varies in magnitude, and effect (especially psychologically) with each form of action. Thus, you cannot equalize the examples you gave, with getting physically abused by your parents.

The ones I gave fit the bill and a far worse they had a clear impact on the characters and shaped them compared to Kawaki. In Kawaki's case he seems unbothered by ot and isn't let it shape him. If you look at him and his primary goal as of now it's getting rid of the seal, which imo can be done quite easily (chop the limb take a prosthetic one).

 

[Glad Of War]

Orochimaru wanted Yamato as a means to an end not an end in itself the same it true for Kawaki. Both are tools and the point would still stand.




Actually, revenge is the objective not the motivation, the causes are the previous experiences and the effect based off them is revenge in Sasuke's case. Perhaps you weren't reading the same manga as you missed the finer points, towards reaching his goal Sasuke's character was undergoing a change. The same is true for Naruto, while heading towards his goal his character was undergoing change. The reasons behind the changes are demonstrated by kishi via the actions the characters take and pages can be written on their complexity.




The ones I gave fit the bill and a far worse they had a clear impact on the characters and shaped them compared to Kawaki. In Kawaki's case he seems unbothered by ot and isn't let it shape him. If you look at him and his primary goal as of now it's getting rid of the seal, which imo can be done quite easily (chop the limb take a prosthetic one).

It doesn't matter if Yamato was a procedure requirements. Orochimaru never wanted Yamato as a vessel. Kawaki is a vessel. That's a difference.

I didn't say his revenge is the motivation. I said his motivation was based on his revenge, meaning he was motivated to avenge his clan because they were killed unjustly. Perhaps you missed where I stated his characterization was in large part built on being an avenger, which clearly posit it wasn't all his characterization that was about avenging, case in point; his plan to kill the Hokages, and becoming a fascist? Though this doesn't change anything. Sasuke's character was far from being complex. If anything, he seemed lost in light of the variances in his plans. A complex structure doesn't have to be built on pages of text, it only suggest a lack of understanding from the artisan or in this case, the author. If his personality was complex, Kishimoto shouldn't have been unsure about the components of his characterization, by that am referencing the fact several of Sasuke's actions seemed to be an afterthought. Furthermore, his personality should have been in legions, which begs the question; in what area are you assigning the description "complex" to, because there's little reference to his personality from your expositions.


"The ones I gave fit the bill and a far worse they had a clear impact on the characters and shaped them compared to Kawaki"

In other words, Kawaki mode of physically abused is different. Concession accepted. In the light of that, there's absolutely no indication that posit Kawaki isn't affected by what his dad did to him. In fact, his behavior points to the contrary.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It doesn't matter if Yamato was a procedure requirements. Orochimaru never wanted Yamato as a vessel. Kawaki is a vessel. That's a difference.

Again you don't know what his intentions with Yamato were, considering he intended on acquiring all jutsu, but you missed the point both were at their core tools or a means to an end. However if you want a literal example of a vessel who was experiment then you have Sasuke, being given the seal 1/10 survival rate, awakening it full you could die, a clear experiment that could do right or wrong.

I didn't say his revenge is the motivation. I said his motivation was based on his revenge, meaning he was motivated to avenge his clan because they were killed unjustly.

Perhaps you don't understand what I'm getting at, revenge is the goal the reasons why are his past experiences which are his motivators.

Perhaps you missed where I stated his characterization was in large part built on being an avenger, which clearly posit it wasn't all his characterization that was about avenging, case in point; his plan to kill the Hokages, and becoming a fascist? Though this doesn't change anything.

I didnt miss anything, I was discussing complexities of character(thoughts, motivators, interactions, changes etc).

Sasuke's character was far from being complex. If anything, he seemed lost in light of the variances in his plans. A complex structure doesn't have to be built on pages of text, it only suggest a lack of understanding from the artisan or in this case, the author. If his personality was complex, Kishimoto shouldn't have been unsure about the components of his characterization, by that am referencing the fact several of Sasuke's actions seemed to be an afterthought. Furthermore, his personality should have been in legions, which begs the question; in what area are you assigning the description "complex" to, because there's little reference to his personality from your expositions.

Obviously it was, as it's lost on you and comes across as an after thought. The reason I'm not discussing all the parts of it because I'd have to pull out scans and show contrasts throughout. There are 700 chapters and he's spread throughout the manga as are his behaviours.

In other words, Kawaki mode of physically abused is different. Concession accepted. In the light of that, there's absolutely no indication that posit Kawaki isn't affected by what his dad did to him. In fact, his behavior points to the contrary.

There's no difference at its root abuse is abuse, particulars may vary. There's nothing in light of it, Kawaki's gripe, behaviour and actions all indicate he disliked being used as a tool. He wants to get rid of the seal the reason for it is because he doesn't want to be a tool, he couldn't give two shits about his dad. You need to stop with the false attribution or characterisation.

Either way I'm done.