[Theory] what strongest creature means

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I'm not saying Shanks>Kaidou really, all I'm just saying that he doesn't smash him just because he stopped him before. Even the best of warriors won't do something entirely reckless against someone of a notable caliber such as Shanks. They're all yonkous so that title actually means something to the pirate world.

Akainu on the other hand by his performances doesn't show me he is able to fight on kaidou's level, especially when a old dying 75 year old man pummeled him so badly that he ran away from him to attack his subordinates.


Shanks did not stop kaidou via talking, kaidou is a warrior that doesn't listen to reasoning as Gekko Moria said. So you can't speculate that just yet, but Shanks stopping kaidou doesn't mean one is entirely stronger than the other, it means that they are dangerous against each other.

This is also false and was never mentioned in the manga. Admirals are not Yonkous dude. Don't come at me with the stupid Riker logic, that guy is a moron.
shanks made him run
this means shanks shanks kaido

u dont remember correctly, akainu didnt run away, whitebeard the coward pushed him away with his earthquake so that akainu wouldnt lava rape him even more

akainu isnt mere yonko lvl is far above it from performances
oda said he could get one piece in one year which the fail yonko couldnt do in decades
this performance makes him pirate king tier
 

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shanks made him run
this means shanks shanks kaido
I don't remember when they said he ran away, do you have the chapter for it?

u dont remember correctly, akainu didnt run away, whitebeard the coward pushed him away with his earthquake so that akainu wouldnt lava rape him even more
No, WB made him run away with his red dog tail tucked in-between his knees. After coughing blood from illness, stabbed by squalo in the chest, and laser by Kizaru he still beat Akainu to a pulp. He beat him so bad that he fell unconscious underground.
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After he finished beating him in such a weakened state, he literally waited or was out until after Blackbeard killed WB in order to attack the rest of the crew. A cowardly move. He had to wait after WB death to go after Luffy
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akainu isnt mere yonko lvl is far above it from performances
oda said he could get one piece in one year which the fail yonko couldnt do in decades
this performance makes him pirate king tier
That's wrong, he's not even close to Yonkou level, especially in performance. The weakest whitebeard has ever been in and he still beat him unconscious underground. Oda hyping up Akainu to find onepiece in a year is just vague talk from Oda. He also said Kaidou in a one on one match to bet on him. So that would imply kaidou in a one on one match would beat Akainu too, right?

Look, the yonkous not finding onepiece is because of the following subjective reason. Oda did not say during Rogers time he'll find onepiece in a year right? Because that's the most dangerous period of them all. He didn't say Ace's period or Luffy's, so you should just leave hype for what it is.
WB didn't fail to find onepiece, doffy just said that he choose to defend it in Rogers honor. He knows it is real and even Shanks was already part of the pirate kings crew that already found onepiece.
So you don't know what ideology or reasons why one of the yonkous haven't obtained Onepiece yet, for all we know they can go there but choose not to for some selfish reason. We don't know.
 

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I don't remember when they said he ran away, do you have the chapter for it?


No, WB made him run away with his red dog tail tucked in-between his knees. After coughing blood from illness, stabbed by squalo in the chest, and laser by Kizaru he still beat Akainu to a pulp. He beat him so bad that he fell unconscious underground.
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After he finished beating him in such a weakened state, he literally waited or was out until after Blackbeard killed WB in order to attack the rest of the crew. A cowardly move. He had to wait after WB death to go after Luffy
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That's wrong, he's not even close to Yonkou level, especially in performance. The weakest whitebeard has ever been in and he still beat him unconscious underground. Oda hyping up Akainu to find onepiece in a year is just vague talk from Oda. He also said Kaidou in a one on one match to bet on him. So that would imply kaidou in a one on one match would beat Akainu too, right?

Look, the yonkous not finding onepiece is because of the following subjective reason. Oda did not say during Rogers time he'll find onepiece in a year right? Because that's the most dangerous period of them all. He didn't say Ace's period or Luffy's, so you should just leave hype for what it is.
WB didn't fail to find onepiece, doffy just said that he choose to defend it in Rogers honor. He knows it is real and even Shanks was already part of the pirate kings crew that already found onepiece.
So you don't know what ideology or reasons why one of the yonkous haven't obtained Onepiece yet, for all we know they can go there but choose not to for some selfish reason. We don't know.
If Akainu was knocked unconscious, how'd he avoid falling into the water?

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Why he is not stronger than Akainu? Lol, any Emperor> Akainu.
Citation Needed. In this manga there are only 3 quantifiable levels. PK (which itself isn't even a level rather a capacity to achieve), Admiral and Yonko Commander (which personally I contest but it seems everyone accepts its the elite most force in an Emperor crew). Give an Admiral a multitude of foot soldiers, an inner council of 8-15 NW hardened warriors and connections to support their empire. And you have an Emperor. At this stage only a healthier WB is irrefutably superior. And he was >> Everyone.
 

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Citation Needed. In this manga there are only 3 quantifiable levels. PK (which itself isn't even a level rather a capacity to achieve), Admiral and Yonko Commander (which personally I contest but it seems everyone accepts its the elite most force in an Emperor crew). Give an Admiral a multitude of foot soldiers, an inner council of 8-15 NW hardened warriors and connections to support their empire. And you have an Emperor. At this stage only a healthier WB is irrefutably superior. And he was >> Everyone.
TBF though there's still a hierarchy among those top tier(Admiral/Yonko) Akainu beat Aokiji so yes while they are at the same general level they could still lose. Also I would argue Kaido is irrefutably superior to any single Admiral given the Manga did say 1v1 bet on Kaido.
 

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Citation Needed. In this manga there are only 3 quantifiable levels. PK (which itself isn't even a level rather a capacity to achieve), Admiral and Yonko Commander (which personally I contest but it seems everyone accepts its the elite most force in an Emperor crew). Give an Admiral a multitude of foot soldiers, an inner council of 8-15 NW hardened warriors and connections to support their empire. And you have an Emperor. At this stage only a healthier WB is irrefutably superior. And he was >> Everyone.
And I dont know from where you get your opinion, yeah, opinion since it is not a fact.

PK is not even a tier, it is a title. And all the Emperors are the pirates who are near to get it just as Roger and Whitebeard were. It is already a fact that all Emperors are as strong as Whitebeard therefore as strong as Roger.

Fact is, it took 2 Admirals to take down Shiki who might be the weakest of Roger and Whitebeard. Fact is that, Roger and Garp had to fight Rocks when they wereny in thier prime, yet it was already said that Garp was Admiral tier.

Nothing points Admiral being as strong as the Emperors.
 

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And I dont know from where you get your opinion, yeah, opinion since it is not a fact.
PK is not even a tier, it is a title. And all the Emperors are the pirates who are near to get it just as Roger and Whitebeard were. It is already a fact that all Emperors are as strong as Whitebeard therefore as strong as Roger.
Fact is, it took 2 Admirals to take down Shiki who might be the weakest of Roger and Whitebeard. Fact is that, Roger and Garp had to fight Rocks when they wereny in thier prime, yet it was already said that Garp was Admiral tier.
Nothing points Admiral being as strong as the Emperors.
Chronologically > Shiki, Buggy, Shanks, Sakazuki, Garp, Teach [Pre TS] and Kaido, MUM [Post TS] have all confirmed WB > Everyone All expressing that he possessed the utmost individual talent relative to the verse. The same man has been compared to Roger. When DCJ goads and challenges Luffy, he explicitly mentions the PK is the man who'se surpassed Admirals and Emperors. Furthermore, within the narrative the only characters who've received portrayal OR have the capacity to obtain it. All possess attributes/potential that exceeds the verse. Roger/WB > Verse. Teach possess multiple DFs and is unprecedented. Luffy is the story's MC. Finally, a case can be made for Ace. Whom WB himself had handpicked and was grooming. All this considered its naive to pretend the PK isn't a title with implications of strength. Esp when its the man with the most freedom translates to the man with the strength to imposes his might across the seas.

False and Fallacious.

1. Canonically, nothing is known of Shiki's strength. If anything the databooks have compared his strength to Roger's. Its precisely due to this that it was believed Roger was done for at the Battle of Edd, had not been for the sudden storm.
2. Shiki is recognized as a Great Pirate of his Era. In the same manner Emperors are revered in the Golden Age of Piracy and beyond.
3. Marineford is a stronghold of significance to Marines. To where we have countless panels of them vowing to protect it at ANY cost.
4. Garp and Sengoku confronting Shiki points to the desire to stop him quickly and efficiently. Esp given then nature of his DF and its capacity to destroy islands. If you paid attention, Chapter 1000 mentions those 3 destroyed a TOWN as opposed to the entire ISLAND. Consider, PK Roger had ALREADY vouched for and praised Garp's strength.
5. Where you getting this information 40 year old Garp had reached the height of his prime? How do you explain him training at training and growing his haki at 48? When he one-shot Chinjao? Countless time we've seen Marine promotion is based on feats and accomplishments. Except VA which requires 2 Haki Forms, a pre-requisite Garp had met considering he was one. Now consider, Rocks was comprised of Xebec, Shiki, WB, Linlin, John, Silver, Ochoku, Kaido and I quote were the most dangerous of their time. We only know 2 members weren't at the height of their prime. What about the other 6? Were they on the precipice? Already in their Primes? If Rocks were the most threatening Pirates and Marine brought them down. And they have Vice Admiral Rank, what is the next promotion for them?

The Gorosei are power brokers in this verse. Its they who recruit/nominate/appoint/replace Warlords. Its they who deduced Teach would be next as Emperor. It was they who called Luffy's potential threat back in EAST BLUE. Explain to me, why would they be content with 4 Admirals if the gulf in class was lopsided? We saw they recruited 2 Admirals to replace 2 retiring ones. Thus, its entirely possible for them to scout talent. Why settle for 4 Admirals which coincides with 4 Emperors at any given time? Why do seasoned pirates compared Admirals and Emperors together.
 

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Just those 2 fought for 10 days doesn't mean all the top tier fights will last that long. Because I am fairly positive that it won't take 10 days for Kaido or Shanks to kill somebody like Big Mom.
3 days max and they would eat the Big B|tch for breakfast.
Don't think either of them can kill big mom. Other way around actually
 
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