What number would you rank tobirama if he fought everyone 1 vs 1 with edo tensai
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His point is the polar opposite of valid.
Well, technically it was. Like I said, Obito giving his chakra to Kakashi by inhabiting him is very similar to Hagaromo giving his chakra to Naruto and Sasuke, which subsequently lead to them awakening the Six Paths Senjutsu and Rinnegan respectively. Either way, the "borrowed power" argument is stupid as hell for the reasons I stated above.
Doesn't change anything really. Obito's chakra/spirit enabled Kakashi to use the Double MS. But since it was Kakashi himself who made use of the powers he was blessed with, it's a form by which we can judge his power.
Again, I don't give a rats ass about the "not his own power" statement. That argument is not going to work with me, since everyone inherited chakra from the Shinju. Under the OP's logic, Juubi jins should not be included in power lists, since sealing the Juubi inside of them gives them the ability to use the Onmyoudon balls, enhanced durability, flight and greater speed. Is that "not there own power"? Same goes for Naruto and Sasuke inheriting Hagaromo's chakra like I stated above. The entire borrowed power argument and anything even closely related to it literally needs to be burrowed 6 feet under the ground.
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Where on god's green earth have I seen this before? Rather platitudinous I must say.
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^ I am not even using the 'borrowed power' logic here. It isn't even borrowed power, given the factors I highlighted. In order to put Kakashi in ever category, one should pair Obito with him then, as without his spirit dwelling inside his body temporarily, he cannot even use this mode.
With Naruto and Sasuke - or even Kakashi's MS version - they got powers, and that's it. The individual who gave them the powers wasn't there to posses their bodies to allow them to use the Chakra. Which is why it isn't borrowed power.
With Naruto and Sasuke - or even Kakashi's MS version - they got powers, and that's it. The individual who gave them the powers wasn't there to posses their bodies to allow them to use the Chakra. Which is why it isn't borrowed power.
-So your claim of them being 2 is irrelevant because Tobirama was with another Kage as well and he still lost. Lol
-ET needs prepare as well and needs sacrifices. It's not even better than summoning Pa & Ma and gaining unlimited SM.
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01 Kaguya
02 Naruto
03 Sasuke
04 Madara
05 Hashirama
06 Obito
07 Nagato
08 Kabuto
09 Itachi
10 Hiruzen
11 Kirabi
12 Orochimaru
13 Minato
14 Muu
15 Sasori
16 Jiraiya
17 Tobirama
18 3rd/4th Raikage
19 Danzou
20 Onoki
21 Kisame
22 Deidara
23 kakuzu
24 Tsunade
25 Trollkage
26 Gaara
27 Hanzo
28 Kakashi
29 Chiyo
30 Konan
02 Naruto
03 Sasuke
04 Madara
05 Hashirama
06 Obito
07 Nagato
08 Kabuto
09 Itachi
10 Hiruzen
11 Kirabi
12 Orochimaru
13 Minato
14 Muu
15 Sasori
16 Jiraiya
17 Tobirama
18 3rd/4th Raikage
19 Danzou
20 Onoki
21 Kisame
22 Deidara
23 kakuzu
24 Tsunade
25 Trollkage
26 Gaara
27 Hanzo
28 Kakashi
29 Chiyo
30 Konan
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It's my list, so I get to rank whoever i want, thus the only opinion here that doesn't matter is your own.
You realize Kin and Gin beat Tobirama and the 2nd because they tried assassinating them right? As in, not announcing their presence, sneaking, etc.?
Tobirama needs to knead chakra in order to sense someone, and Kin and Gin are ninjas, people who use stealth. It is no surprise at a meeting on wanting peace, the brothers tried assassinating Tobirama and the second, who we have no info on.
- They defeated him twice, not only once. Lol
and we know as a fact that he did sense them at LEAST in the second time when they killed him. Even with the assistance of 6 of his students they were still outclassed.
How low was Tobirama on chakra levels? Obviously we have no intel on the 18 other Shinobi that were with them. You act as if Tobirama was fresh at the beginning of the fight and not in a war.
There was no such thing indicated. Yes, he was in a war, and so were they.
If he was low in chakra Kishi would have mentioned that one why or the other. Also, it wouldn't make sense for him to go and fight if he can't even fight for a decent amount of time so his students can escape.
As for the other Shinobi they are fodders are every single we have seen in this manga. The main problem is Kin/Gin and they are the ones who got the credits of defeating him with the 2nd Raikage in the first time, and killing him in the second time.
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Yes you are.
And without Hagaromo's chakra, Naruto can't use the Rikudo Senjutsu, and Sasuke can't use the Rinnegan. Without the Juubi or Rikudo's chakra, Madara/Obito don't get access to the staff+9 gudodamas, flight, extra durability. I see no difference at all.
That is a minor difference that is negligible. The bottom line is that Obito gave him access to his chakra by travelling from the underworld, but it was Kakashi who made use of the powers given to him. Hence, we can judge Kakashi's strength in that form. And no, if you are going to call Obito giving all his chakra to Kakashi as "borrowed power" it's the same story with Juubi jinchurikis and Naruto/Sasuke. Either way, the burrowed power argument is stupid as I pointed out over and over again. DMS Kakashi is in the top tiers.
