What makes Oda a SOMEWHAT better mangaka in my opinion.

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The day Oga can write a series which can -make masses all around the world go crazy to such length where it's fans create more than 50 or so forums site like NB,has atleast 5.6 million FB likes in every Naruto dedicated FB pages,stay at rank 1 in nearly every manga viewing sites' most popular category for decades,etc.....not to mention create characters so deep that fans are willing to give up their lives,in case of their favourites' death,.....then we'll talk,kid.

Oda ,for me, is just a self confused writer,who just don't know where to end his masterpiece,that's why even after 731 chapter there is not a single clue to as what is ONEPIECE,other than it's exist. And please don't say it's a treasure because you know it ain't.

There are lot of other reason you like Onepiece,but,oh well!...
Wow, die hard naruto fanboy here, who does not care about unexplainable plot holes, bad story writing and lack of character development....

Ill say this tho, one piece is number 1 in sales and as we know SALES=MONEY...who gives 10 flying f...s about fb likes?

And having lifeless virgin nerds kill themselves after their favorite dies is something to be proud of?
 

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He don't do ass-pull and he's unpredictable...

Frankly there is a lot of character development in Naruto. Naruto itself grew beyond childish dream of becoming a hokage only. It's still his goal but he can see there are other more important things to take care of as well.

Both stories are totally different and you cannot expect the same treatment for the two. One is a surreal dream taking you on an adventure with a lot of light moments and fun going with the flow and another is about inner struggles of characters. Naruto talks about violence and wars but focuses on conflicted people instead of outright selfish/meanie/greedy/power hungry people. Such characters are are there but they are less less relevant and get off screen faster- for that reason. There are shades of grey and people on the dark side have their personal justification for their actions. It's not a black and white world but which one is still better or more righteous. How can the decisions of today may shape a tomorrow and all that less thrilling talk. Obviously the theme of the second is less appealing if you are looking for a fun ride on the beach.

It all comes to what you prefer and want to read at the moment.
You talk so much about Naruto which i found quite exaggerated in a way..
then again in that post you're trying to be objective but frankly that's not how it looks like.
 
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Wow, die hard naruto fanboy here, who does not care about unexplainable plot holes, bad story writing and lack of character development....

Ill say this tho, one piece is number 1 in sales and as we know SALES=MONEY...who gives 10 flying f...s about fb likes?

And having lifeless virgin nerds kill themselves after their favorite dies is something to be proud of?
That's only in japan
Naruto sells more in other countries
 

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The day Oga can write a series which can -make masses all around the world go crazy to such length where it's fans create more than 50 or so forums site like NB,has atleast 5.6 million FB likes in every Naruto dedicated FB pages,stay at rank 1 in nearly every manga viewing sites' most popular category for decades,etc.....not to mention create characters so deep that fans are willing to give up their lives,in case of their favourites' death,.....then we'll talk,kid.

Oda ,for me, is just a self confused writer,who just don't know where to end his masterpiece,that's why even after 731 chapter there is not a single clue to as what is ONEPIECE,other than it's exist. And please don't say it's a treasure because you know it ain't.

There are lot of other reason you like Onepiece,but,oh well!...
Go home, you're drunk.
That's only in japan
Naruto sells more in other countries
Cause 4kids wrecked the sales and mostly people like to "judge a book by it's cover". People chose Naruto over OP, cause Naruto was much more popular at the time. Does that mean anything? No.
If Naruto was dubbed by 4kids I can guarantee that Naruto won't be as popular as it was today. You have no idea how many people that I met irl hates OP cause they watched the 4kids dub.
 

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not jus the characters, Oda's imagination level beats Kishi by over 9000

sometimes I'm like: Oda, what the hell is going on in your head?!

and the story, I actually got physically mad at the slave traders and the CDs at the Shabaody archipelago

also the political structure, completely crazy powers, incredible world and designs, ...

not exactly
Fighting is mostly what happens in one piece so basically everyone can get in a fight and show off their skills in a one on one fight. it repeats like this every arc pretty much
kishi is more of a storyteller theres obviously not as many battles so theres less development in that aspect
one thing that kishi does do is develop his antagonists, backstory wise, whereas oda doesnt even give an explanation as to how the antagonist became an antagonist
the only one is Arlong
are you kidding me?

Kishimoto should take notes from the mangaka of attack on titan, i want to see DEATH ! a lot of death people!
and that is basically everything there is to AOT ... even the ending, everyone was gonna die, just like that, everyone dies ... THE END :) lol
 
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Go home, you're drunk.

Cause 4kids wrecked the sales and mostly people like to "judge a book by it's cover". People chose Naruto over OP, cause Naruto was much more popular at the time. Does that mean anything? No.
If Naruto was dubbed by 4kids I can guarantee that Naruto won't be as popular as it was today. You have no idea how many people that I met irl hates OP cause they watched the 4kids dub.
That 4kids dub sure is annoying...

Luckily ive gotten used to just the subs, japanese voice actors have so much more emotion.
 

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... lol How do you define PnJ? You have to have a plot for that you know? :p

Oda is good at raising emotions. He knows how to work with them and angles for all the spices - in the right mix. You are riding a tide and you ignore irrelevant things like how making a staircase in the air or second gear is picked from Tom and Jerry fight or how Luffy suddenly came out of the Colosseum no one could go out or little things like that.

Kishi made a universe which is quite rigid and gives him much less flexibility in such terms. He tried to explain a bit too much but that made people use actual physics and science when reading a shonnen manga. People question si-fi crap less but they pick up their calculators to measure attacks in Naruto. :p

If a Madara would pull susano while being blind in OP we will hear nothing but about the awesomeness of that character all day. Because Oda never go in to details to that extent in the first place to get himself in such a situation. Devil fruits and haki are defined but loosely in comparison and can be added to a character at any time unlike Naruto where you either have a KG or not.

Also OP just started to gear up and something like a definite plot came up in recent arcs. So it's getting exciting. while Naruto is near ending. It would be much less a headache if instead of sporking people can move on to what they like and pay less attention to what they don't.
1. well Oda developed the OP world so that an island with random stairs in the air is completely possible

2. he took gear 3 from Tom&Jerry not g2, so what? Oda has a TON of references to other works, stories, real life history, ... it just makes it better

3. Luffy could go out because of Bellamy, read the chapter :) already posted that once for you

Kishi maed a world with a lot of restrictions and was then unable to write the story in the world he created, he dug his own hole.

Actually Madara being able to use Susanoo without Sharingan would be teh equivalent of someone whos DF has been extracted would come and be still able to use the DF power, if that happened fans WOULD notice. Kishi goes into details and than forgets they are there, Oda created the concept pf the Devil fruits exactly so that he would be able to do crazy stuff with it, he doesn't need to give us more details with DF's in general because there are none, as simple as that, no point at making little detailed restrictions if you are just gonna break them.

well the ratio of content:discontent on the internet is in favour of discontent (by a LOT)

Frankly there is a lot of character development in Naruto. Naruto itself grew beyond childish dream of becoming a hokage only. It's still his goal but he can see there are other more important things to take care of as well.

Both stories are totally different and you cannot expect the same treatment for the two. One is a surreal dream taking you on an adventure with a lot of light moments and fun going with the flow and another is about inner struggles of characters. Naruto talks about violence and wars but focuses on conflicted people instead of outright selfish/meanie/greedy/power hungry people. Such characters are are there but they are less less relevant and get off screen faster- for that reason. There are shades of grey and people on the dark side have their personal justification for their actions. It's not a black and white world but which one is still better or more righteous. How can the decisions of today may shape a tomorrow and all that less thrilling talk. Obviously the theme of the second is less appealing if you are looking for a fun ride on the beach.

It all comes to what you prefer and want to read at the moment.
actually Naruto has quite bad character development because he as a character is so inconsistent, first he was supposed to be an underdog who had to work hard to become anything and because he was a noone he wanted to be recognized. But slowly things started to fall apart, he got taken under the wing of a living legend (qhich is quite a privilege, by that I mean Jiraiya), than we ''find out'' he is the SON of the 4th Hokage the hero that saved everyone in the village, than we find out his mother and the Uzumaki clan has ties with the Senju, we find out he is the child of prophecy, ... from an underdog story he has becom the most privileged kid in the entire Narutoverse, hard work? c'mon is this a joke?? And his goals arent consistent either: I wanna be acknowladged, I wanna be Hokage, than I want to save Sasuke for you Sakura, than I want to save Sasuke so I am worthy, I want to bring peace to the world, ... -.- Naruto has developed but not consistently with what he was supposed to be in part 1. And above all we find out that the fox inside of him is a goody good guy which kinda makes the whole ''Naruto isolation because he has a monster inside of him'' just weird in retrospect.

Some antagonists are quite explained in Naruto yes but the current 2 villains are just weird, everyone likes Madara because he is a badass but it's never been properly explained why he is doing all this, and Obito just plain sucks (Rin -.-) and there is the matter of consequences for one who literally started a world war and killed oh so many ppl ... now a hokage and a jounin are actully his body guards it seems, like wtf?

Naruto characters have developments but way too many end up forgotten and abandoned, and some of them are quite inconsistent

That's only in japan
Naruto sells more in other countries
not enough to catch up to OP worldwide though :)
 
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Go home, you're drunk.

Cause 4kids wrecked the sales and mostly people like to "judge a book by it's cover". People chose Naruto over OP, cause Naruto was much more popular at the time. Does that mean anything? No.
If Naruto was dubbed by 4kids I can guarantee that Naruto won't be as popular as it was today. You have no idea how many people that I met irl hates OP cause they watched the 4kids dub.
1. well Oda developed the OP world so that an island with random stairs in the air is completely possible

2. he took gear 3 from Tom&Jerry not g2, so what? Oda has a TON of references to other works, stories, real life history, ... it just makes it better

3. Luffy could go out because of Bellamy, read the chapter :) already posted that once for you

Kishi maed a world with a lot of restrictions and was then unable to write the story in the world he created, he dug his own hole.

Actually Madara being able to use Susanoo without Sharingan would be teh equivalent of someone whos DF has been extracted would come and be still able to use the DF power, if that happened fans WOULD notice. Kishi goes into details and than forgets they are there, Oda created the concept pf the Devil fruits exactly so that he would be able to do crazy stuff with it, he doesn't need to give us more details with DF's in general because there are none, as simple as that, no point at making little detailed restrictions if you are just gonna break them.

well the ratio of content:discontent on the internet is in favour of discontent (by a LOT)



actually Naruto has quite bad character development because he as a character is so inconsistent, first he was supposed to be an underdog who had to work hard to become anything and because he was a noone he wanted to be recognized. But slowly things started to fall apart, he got taken under the wing of a living legend (qhich is quite a privilege, by that I mean Jiraiya), than we ''find out'' he is the SON of the 4th Hokage the hero that saved everyone in the village, than we find out his mother and the Uzumaki clan has ties with the Senju, we find out he is the child of prophecy, ... from an underdog story he has becom the most privileged kid in the entire Narutoverse, hard work? c'mon is this a joke?? And his goals arent consistent either: I wanna be acknowladged, I wanna be Hokage, than I want to save Sasuke for you Sakura, than I want to save Sasuke so I am worthy, I want to bring peace to the world, ... -.- Naruto has developed but not consistently with what he was supposed to be in part 1. And above all we find out that the fox inside of him is a goody good guy which kinda makes the whole ''Naruto isolation because he has a monster inside of him'' just weird in retrospect.

Some antagonists are quite explained in Naruto yes but the current 2 villains are just weird, everyone likes Madara because he is a badass but it's never been properly explained why he is doing all this, and Obito just plain sucks (Rin -.-) and there is the matter of consequences for one who literally started a world war and killed oh so many ppl ... now a hokage and a jounin are actully his body guards it seems, like wtf?

Naruto characters have developments but way too many end up forgotten and abandoned, and some of them are quite inconsistent



not enough to catch up to OP worldwide though :)
whoa what? Naruto hasnt developed? inconsistent? he's priveledge?
dude youre just grasping at straws to prove a point that isnt valid in the least
Naruto grew up not even knowing his father was the fourth he has special blood ties but his real development was finding the potential of it
lets see...
luffy has powerful haki, devil fruit, his father is monkey d. dragon, he has extra devil fruit powers that have no logic, and yet we've only seen him train like, once and that was the time skip.
are you seriously implying Naruto hasnt worked hard?
He worked hard to master everything he has
there was nothing handed to him except maybe bm
he learned all his tech. and transformations on his own he has way more work ethnic than luffy

so what if he gained more life goals
he wants to be acknowledged by becoming hokage -_-
and him wanting to bring peace to the world kinda goes hand in hand with being hokage
he wants to bring sasuke back... ok why wouldnt he? he feels that if hes not good enough to get a friend back then he shouldnt be hokage
all his goals go hand in hand and if anything its good development for a character to seek more than one goal
and luffy wants to just be pirate king like he's completely oblivious to the corruption of the world government and world stability
you're seriously making invalid unrelated points

and naruto is far more popular worldwide than one piece
no matter how it happened
 

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I started losing intrest in Naruto when it became all about a few certain characters.
The people from part 1 just seemed to vanish and it became all about a guy chasing another guy

It also got too DBZ for me with these few characters standing so tall above the rest
My favorite fight is Gaara vs Lee in part 1
It had a shit load of close range combat and emotion

K11 were all close in strength and you could believe that one of them got the upper hand to beat the other
Would you believe it now if Kiba took out Naruto? ofc not
 

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whoa what? Naruto hasnt developed? inconsistent? he's priveledge?
dude youre just grasping at straws to prove a point that isnt valid in the least
Naruto grew up not even knowing his father was the fourth he has special blood ties but his real development was finding the potential of it
lets see...
luffy has powerful haki, devil fruit, his father is monkey d. dragon, he has extra devil fruit powers that have no logic, and yet we've only seen him train like, once and that was the time skip.
are you seriously implying Naruto hasnt worked hard?
He worked hard to master everything he has
there was nothing handed to him except maybe bm
he learned all his tech. and transformations on his own he has way more work ethnic than luffy

so what if he gained more life goals
he wants to be acknowledged by becoming hokage -_-
and him wanting to bring peace to the world kinda goes hand in hand with being hokage
he wants to bring sasuke back... ok why wouldnt he? he feels that if hes not good enough to get a friend back then he shouldnt be hokage
all his goals go hand in hand and if anything its good development for a character to seek more than one goal
and luffy wants to just be pirate king like he's completely oblivious to the corruption of the world government and world stability
you're seriously making invalid unrelated points

and naruto is far more popular worldwide than one piece
no matter how it happened
yes, Naruto was portrait as a runt who has noone, is stupid and will need to work hard to get there, there was a whole epic fight with Neji to solidate that.

But than everything Naruto was got broke, smashed and ripped apart, Jiraiya a living legent chose him as his student (because of Narutos roots), Minato was his father, Kushina his mother so he is obviously not an underdog, in fact we now see how talented he is as a shinobi as he is one of the strongest shinobi out there, he might have worked hard but that's not why he is so strong, if that were true Rock Lee would be stronger than him, Naruto surpassed many who were abnormally talented to start with, so from what was at first thought to be a child who is alone, has noone and an underdog who, without hard work, won't achieve anything we get the genius ninja, one of the most privileged characters in the storyline, who has connections to the Senju and the Uzumaki as well as the 4th Hokage and it even the child of destiny, I mean CMON that is a complete 180 from what Naruto was at first

Luffy was never portrait as an underdog, what exactly about his DF does not make sense, he is rubber therefore he can pump blood faster and basically doping himself nnaturaly, also balloons inflate ... Luffy was from the first chapter onward shown as a chosen one since Shanks chose him to be a great pirate and the next Roger. People complain about training and how we don't see it, has it ever occurred to you that he might train but Oda just does not show it? I mean those training arcs in Naruto are mostly just boring ... ok so he trained can't you just show the results? I mean I don't want him moving rocks and splitting a waterfall ...

wanna be hokage because I wanna be recognized ... good goal
but than it just starts whirling, ok so you want to save sasuke, good but than he goes on b????ing about it for the entire series, it is his goal to save Sasuke but than sasuke just returns by himself, he want's to be acknowledged because he was a noone and everybody shuned him aside because he has a monster fox inside him yet later it turns out he is a genius who is practically NV royalty and that monster fox is actually a good guy and now his best friend ... I mean CMON he is NOT an underdog, Naruto hated geniuses and now he is one :)

Luffy is oblivious to corruption, ok I guess that's the reason that Luffy lways hates the corrupted ones :) you are right on spot

OP is basically a part of Japanese culture and the gap between OP and Naruto in the rest of the world is not as big as the gap between OP and Naruto fans in Japan, face it OP i the most popular manga of all time :) followed by DBZ ... but that doesn't really matter, I have followed Naruto for 7 years and I love the story but in tis year Kishi has managed to completely kill my excitement, I prefered OP by a lot before but now, while OP is still just going uphill, Naruto is plummeting completely

/bye bye
 
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