what makes adult naruto and sasuke stronger than VoTe 2?

[Blackzoro]

What do you think the boys at VOTE can do that the Gadien boys can't?

Its not that they cant do its that their feats wasnt as impressive like back then at least thats what i think OP was trying to get at. If they were stronger than back then why arent the abilities they are using arent as impressive? If u really believe they arent nerfed then u are sadly mistaking wasnt a PS the attack that defeated him and his rock golem? Sasuke couldve done that by himself

 

[Blackzoro]

duhhh!!!! ...guyz wahz all d analysis fa...itz simple boruto will faeva live in his father's shado ad so will d uchiha kid if dey dont get to surpass their parents....the title isnt NARUTO ani more itz boruto....naruto ad his bestie hav every right to stink at wah dey do

Wut??

 

[DHOH]

duhhh!!!! ...guyz wahz all d analysis fa...itz simple boruto will faeva live in his father's shado ad so will d uchiha kid if dey dont get to surpass their parents....the title isnt NARUTO ani more itz boruto....naruto ad his bestie hav every right to stink at wah dey do

So you're saying Boruto is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke?

 

[DHOH]

Its not that they cant do its that their feats wasnt as impressive like back then at least thats what i think OP was trying to get at. If they were stronger than back then why arent the abilities they are using arent as impressive? If u really believe they arent nerfed then u are sadly mistaking wasnt a PS the attack that defeated him and his rock golem? Sasuke couldve done that by himself

What's the point in throwing out powerful jutsu just to be absorb only to make the enemy that much stronger? If anything that only prove they are smarter and didn't waste and/or power up the enemy more.

Sasuke could've defeated him by himself but one person didn't deserve all the glory.. Also the fight lasted like five minutes so they didn't struggle as everyone thinks.

 

[Blackzoro]

What's the point in throwing out powerful jutsu just to be absorb only to make the enemy that much stronger? If anything that only prove they are smarter and didn't waste and/or power up the enemy more.

Sasuke could've defeated him by himself but one person didn't deserve all the glory.. Also the fight lasted like five minutes so they didn't struggle as everyone thinks.

True about he jutsus being absorb but what ya think is that he can absorb everything. Naruto for example couldve used like a hundred clone to charge at him with rasenshuriken easily he didnt even use a clone in battle that was how he uses tactics in battle. Boruto used two clones lmao to stab his rinnegan and attack him with odama rasengan that destroyed him like tf. Or the taijutsu naruto couldve easily handled him with SM frog kata lmao ghost punches GG.

The fact that sasuke couldve defeated him by himself and was even struggling against kinshiki is the point here that was a nerf. The fight lasted 5 minute with them fighting together lol thats a struggle if u ask me. Thats why i think u can only say they were more skilled and probably stronger chakra but stronger? They lack feats compared to back then

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke was not at 100%, but he wasn't exhausted either. He had his eye jutsu active and was using jutsu. That is not an exhausted Sasuke. Sasuke has been resting and waiting for Naruto since he sent him that message.

If he's weakened to the point where he can't manifest MS, he's weakened.

When Naruto punched Toneri that was partial chakra mode, nothing more. Partial chakra mode is when Naruto gather some of the 9 tail chakra over a certain part of his body instead of his whole body. When he blocked the sword jutsu was when he focused his chakra. Like I said RSM is stronger that KSM (KCM+SM). That proves he was not using RSM to increase his strength.

Addressed.

One more time. Naruto can move at several different speed levels in a mode. Here is Naruto battle against A -

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- that covered the entire battle. During that battle Naruto moved as several different speeds. If your claim was correct Naruto wouldn't have passed A because he would have still been moving the same speed he started with.

Addressed.

-Naruto was still learning how to properly use his speed when he fought Ay. Terrible example. Naruto's final Shunshin and every Shunshin after that has been at it's normal flash speed.

Here is KCM Naruto and Killer Bee moving at the same speed -

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- This proves that even though Naruto is in chakra mode he doesn't have to use KCM to increase his speed. That is what I have been saying. This is nothing proving Naruto used RSM to increase his speed in the movie. Being in that mode is not evidence of him using the mode to increase his speed. Naruto was already fast and has increased his speed from the war through the gaiden. So, if you have proof of Naruto using RSM to increase his speed you should post it.

Addressed.

-Naruto and B move at the same speed when neither uses Shunshin. End of story.

The reason I mention Naruto not using frog fu was to prove Naruto was not using all his powers and you shouldn't assume he was using certain powers just because he has a mode active. Naruto should have been using frog fu, one of the strongest taijutsu styles against the villain where taijutsu was required, but he wasn't. So based off that fact you shouldn't assume he using his other RSM powers just because you believe he should have been using that power. So far you haven't provided any facts that he was.

Addressed.

That's not an answer. That's you crying plot and crying about other abilities Naruro didn't use and other abilities Sasuke didn't use. Why would Naruto enter RSM, only to not use the benefits of the mode? Answer the question this time buddy. Mentioning other abilities is irrelevant because this is not the same as him completely shelving an ability. You are claiming he used it, only not to end up using it.

Once again with the name calling. The fact you have resulted to name calling proves you can't prove me wrong. If you could you wouldn't have resulted to name calling. That's weak.

It's always the little kids with the terrible arguments who cry about name calling meaning I'm wrong, when in reality the arguments are what decides who's right and wrong, and your argument is trash. If you could post something that isn't a contender for the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site, then I wouldn't insult you.

I know exactly what you are saying and you prove me right. You are stating Naruto can have a mode active and not use Shunshin. That's show us how much control Naruto possess.

It seems that your elementary school teacher either did a poor job teaching you, or she figured that you were too retarded to be helped. I said:

Though now I and everyone else should know not to take you seriously since all you can do is repeat defeated arguments, like the bold, where you use Naruto not using Shunshin as proof that he can control how fast his Shunshin is. Retarded or nah?

-First segment=Nobody should take you seriously.
-Second segment=Refers to your post "The bold".
-Third segment=Me saying that YOU used Naruto not using Shunshin, as proof that he can control how fast his Shunshin is.
-Fourth segment=Me pointing out the obvious, that you are retarded.

The fact that you got me agreeing with you from this statement only shows me how daft you truly are.

Let's stop being a dumbass child and start arguing with just a little bit of common sense.

 

[Blackzoro]

If he's weakened to the point where he can't manifest MS, he's weakened.



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It's always the little kids with the terrible arguments who cry about name calling meaning I'm wrong, when in reality the arguments are what decides who's right and wrong, and your argument is trash. If you could post something that isn't a contender for the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site, then I wouldn't insult you.



It seems that your elementary school teacher either did a poor job teaching you, or she figured that you were too retarded to be helped. I said:



-First segment=Nobody should take you seriously.
-Second segment=Refers to your post "The bold".
-Third segment=Me saying that YOU used Naruto not using Shunshin, as proof that he can control how fast his Shunshin is.
-Fourth segment=Me pointing out the obvious, that you are retarded.

The fact that you got me agreeing with you from this statement only shows me how daft you truly are.

Let's stop being a dumbass child and start arguing with just a little bit of common sense.

Dang son

 

[bowflex]

Adult Naruto and Sasuke are obviously stronger than they were before.

-Naruto has Full Kurama.
-Naruto's physical stats as an Adult>>>Physical stats as a kid. That's basic science.
-Naruto's chakra as an Adult>>Naruto's chakra as a kid. That's basic Manga logic.
-Naruto can still do what he did at VoTE.

-Sasuke is stated to be Naruto's equal.
-Sasuke matches RSM Naruto in Shunshin speed, combat speed and physical strength. Kid Sasuke could only match Base Naruto.


Thus Naruto is far stronger than he was when he was a kid. Same goes for Sasuke.






Already addressed this. Though now I and everyone else should know not to take you seriously since all you can do is repeat defeated arguments, like the bold, where you use Naruto not using Shunshin as proof that he can control how fast his Shunshin is. :lol Retarded or nah?

So why are their feats so trash in boruto movie? unless u can prove somehow that momo > kaguya ur whole logic is garbage..

Feats show whos stronger

TBRS used on kaguya 1shots adult naruto

Indra arrow 1shots adult sasuke,

Unless u can show me proof that adult rsm with no bijuu chraka or tsb is even on par with teen rsm naruto who blitzed kaguya then ur logic is void.

BPS shits on adult sasuke.

Adult versions struggled with weaker villians than kaguya and madara but they got stronger just because of age?

Show any feat better than kaguya blitz or bijuu susano that their adult versions have portrayed and ill admit defeat, till then ur logic of age = strength and incomplete rsm > complete rsm are void.

 

[lndra]

The Last kind of shits on this theory though, I don't even understand how this thread is still up. In two years Sasuke was capable of destroying a meteor with a Chidori, given that Naruto/Sasuke are equal in power, they both should capable of replicating that feat. That was so many years ago, in two years they showed improvement, why wouldn't they show the same level of growth ?? many years later?

It doesn't make sense? You ask for proof but they themselves are proof that they improved.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Should i post all things which Kishi said that were proved wrong in canon ? I dont remember that i said something like this.

Improvement in skills not equal improvement in power lmao. Naruto also showed improvement in skills (did you forgot about his swordmanship skills ?) but it doesnt mean that he became stronger that his VOTE 2 version.
This just your fanfic. Theres no any reason for him not to use all rinnegan paths when world is in danger.

Excuses, Masashi said they were equal, and showed it in the manga. Although, with your low reading comprehension, you missed alot of things.

Improvement in skill does equal improvement in power depending on which skills were developed, for example, if a character use to use alot of chakra with one technique, and later that same technique uses alittle chakra, then that shows an improvement in their power, and skill.

Yeah, Sasuke should used Genjutsu on Uchiha/Rinne-Sharingan users, or chakra attacks on Rinnegan users right? The Same logic applies to Rinnegan Paths.

 

[KidGamer65]

So why are their feats so trash in boruto movie? unless u can prove somehow that momo > kaguya ur whole logic is garbage..

Feats show whos stronger

TBRS used on kaguya 1shots adult naruto

Indra arrow 1shots adult sasuke,

Unless u can show me proof that adult rsm with no bijuu chraka or tsb is even on par with teen rsm naruto who blitzed kaguya then ur logic is void.

BPS shits on adult sasuke.

Adult versions struggled with weaker villians than kaguya and madara but they got stronger just because of age?

Show any feat better than kaguya blitz or bijuu susano that their adult versions have portrayed and ill admit defeat, till then ur logic of age = strength and incomplete rsm > complete rsm are void.

Their feats obviously don't match up because they didn't get to use their strongest techniques. A point that has been brought up multiple times in this thread, yet you guys are still regurgitating the same retarded ass logic. If this is all you can provide, all I can tell you is to do better otherwise I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you after this post.


-Naruto's full power is the Kurama Avatar, or rather the Ashura Avatar. That is done by Naruto making shadow clones of his Avatar and merging them together and then taking in Nature Energy. He can still do that as he still has all his powers, except maybe the Bijuu's chakra, which is irrelevant to Kurama Mode. Unless you can show me where Naruto lost his abilities, there is no debate on this topic so please don't even try.

-Sasuke is equal with Naruto. So if Naruto is far above Teen Sasuke, Sasuke is far above Ten Sasuke.

 

[Math42]

Ridiculous post.

Mastered Rinnegan>Unmastered Rinnegan

Full Kyuubi>Half Kyuubi with portions of the other Bijuus chakra.

Sasuke developing his Rinnegan far enough to be able to teleport to Kaguya's dimensions goes to show his mastery over his powers... teleporting across dimensions even cost Kaguya alot of chakra.



Fail. Your post prove what I said to you the other day. You're just upset that Sasuke Is often placed above Naruto, so you constantly downplay him.

Tailed Beast Chakra re-coalesces after a certain period of time, therefore Naruto's 50% Yang Kurama regenerated to 100% Yang Kurama.

 

[take it easy]

Excuses, Masashi said they were equal, and showed it in the manga.

In canon manga Kishi showed that one always was stronger that the other one with Naruto becoming winner of the war between Indra and Ashura reincarnations. But i know that you will deny that Sasuke lost to Naruto in every possible way not only in ideals.

Although, with your low reading comprehension, you missed alot of things.

Funny heard this from someone who blindly ignored all Narutos feats and improvements.

Improvement in skill does equal improvement in power depending on which skills were developed, for example, if a character use to use alot of chakra with one technique, and later that same technique uses alittle chakra, then that shows an improvement in their power, and skill.

Sasuke never showed such type of improvement, lol. Its a fact that Indras arrow > all other Sasukes lightning jutsu no matter how he grew up in skills. Bijuu PS >PS etc... Vote 2 Sasuke >adult Sasuke in terms of power.

Yeah, Sasuke should used Genjutsu on Uchiha/Rinne-Sharingan users, or chakra attacks on Rinnegan users right? The Same logic applies to Rinnegan Paths.

Nope. Genjutsu is useless because Rinnegan is immune to all visual Genjutsu, but Robo path can be useful because his attack arent chakra based.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Of course shunshin speed differes unless if you think Part 1 Kakashi =Part 1 Gai=Kurunai=Asuma since they all shunshin’d to save hinata from neji as fast though part 1 Gai was stated to be faster than Part 1 Kakashi Lol
KCM Naruto used his top shunshin speed when he used his KCM for the first time to blitz kisami that blows up the claim that KCM Naruto’s shunshin speed differed against Ay because he was getting used to his speed Lol
Another proof ,jumping works in the same way as shunshin (focusing chakra in your feet to push the ground or the branch you are standing on )and god knows how many times we saw characters of different shunshin speed jump at the same speed.

No way Sasuke is as fast as RSM Naruto unless Naruto got drastically slower .not to mention that Naruto wasnt utilizing the Perfect RSM whose speed feats surpasses that of Base RSM .

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

In canon manga Kishi showed that one always was stronger that the other one with Naruto becoming winner of the war between Indra and Ashura reincarnations. But i know that you will deny that Sasuke lost to Naruto in every possible way not only in ideals. Funny heard this from someone who blindly ignored all Narutos feats and improvements.
Sasuke never showed such type of improvement, lol. Its a fact that Indras arrow > all other Sasukes lightning jutsu no matter how he grew up in skills. Bijuu PS >PS etc... Vote 2 Sasuke >adult Sasuke in terms of power.
Nope. Genjutsu is useless because Rinnegan is immune to all visual Genjutsu, but for example Robo path can be useful because his attack arent chakra based.

Yeah, Naruto was always stronger than Sasuke even during times when he said Sasuke was stronger.

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All you do is ignore things, and twist the story in Naruto's favor. The final battle ended in a draw with them both being in the exact same condition, yet you want to delude yourself into believing Naruto won the physical battle despite he himself saying both him and Sasuke can't move, and would die from bloodloss if they did. Naruto also said that neither he or Sasuke won or loss.

By neither Kishimoto's or Naruto's words matter to you when they say thing you don't like, so you ignore and or downplay them.

Amenotejikara used up alot chakra for Sasuke, after 3 uses he needed to take a break, whereas in Gaiden he used It twice within a few seconds on top of being weakened from jumping dimensions, something which took even Kaguya alot of chakra to do.

Logically he's able to use Amenotejikara way more times in a row.

 

[take it easy]

Yeah, Naruto was always stronger than Sasuke even during times when he said Sasuke was stronger.

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I meant that Kishi never portrayed them equals in the same time. For example Sasuke was stronger than Naruto in begining of the series, then he became stronger than Sasuke in chuunin exam arc and until vote battle, where Sasuke became strongest again.

All you do is ignore things, and twist the story in Naruto's favor. The final battle ended in a draw with them both being in the exact same condition, yet you want to delude yourself into believing Naruto won the physical battle despite he himself saying both him and Sasuke can't move, and would die from bloodloss if they did. Naruto also said that neither he or Sasuke won or loss.

And again you chose to ignore the fact that Naruto and Sasuke have different opinions on winning and losing. For Sasuke win means physically destroying Naruto and his ideals. He couldnt do it even with bijuu power-up, so he admitted his lost in every aspect not only in ideals. On the other hand win for Naruto never was about physically destroying, so he said that theres no winner or loser

By neither Kishimoto's or Naruto's words matter to you when they say thing you don't like, so you ignore and or downplay them.

I love how you ignore your fav own words in order to make him look better than he is. Also, Kishi was talking in interview that Naruto and Sasuke versions from Boruto the movie are equal not their vote2 versions.

Amenotejikara used up alot chakra for Sasuke, after 3 uses he needed to take a break, whereas in Gaiden he used It twice within a few seconds on top of being weakened from jumping dimensions, something which took even Kaguya alot of chakra to do.

Logically he's able to use Amenotejikara way more times in a row.

Okay i was wrong.

 

[bowflex]

Their feats obviously don't match up because they didn't get to use their strongest techniques. A point that has been brought up multiple times in this thread, yet you guys are still regurgitating the same retarded ass logic. If this is all you can provide, all I can tell you is to do better otherwise I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you after this post.


-Naruto's full power is the Kurama Avatar, or rather the Ashura Avatar. That is done by Naruto making shadow clones of his Avatar and merging them together and then taking in Nature Energy. He can still do that as he still has all his powers, except maybe the Bijuu's chakra, which is irrelevant to Kurama Mode. Unless you can show me where Naruto lost his abilities, there is no debate on this topic so please don't even try.

-Sasuke is equal with Naruto. So if Naruto is far above Teen Sasuke, Sasuke is far above Ten Sasuke.

Show me adult naruto with six path markings and tsb, he clearly lost some type of power, u cannot provide feats to back up ur garbage argument.

Adult naruto got stabbed by shin, dragged and almost had 9 tails absorbed by momoshiki

Kaguya WHO IS leagues above momoshiki, failed to do so againt TEEN (not kid as u like to call it)FULL rsm naruto, who managed to not only take her head on, smack her using chakra from ALL bijuus but also BLiTZ her. Clearly he got weaker

Teen full rsm naruto who blitzed kaguya and has reflexes on par with jj madara, access to all bijuu chakra and abilities, tsb >>>> adult naruto that failed to react to a sword stab, gets dragged and almost 1 shot by weaker enemy momoshiki, only has full kurama.

Last sasuke blew up HALF a meteor so weaak and small rock lee AND his students smashed the other half.

Adult sasuke kept up with a FAR slower and incomplete rsm adult naruto that has garbage feats as i have explained above.

TEEN sasuke took on a far stronger RSM naruto who blitzed kaguya and smacked her around, and even managed to blitz him and his kurama avatars, not only that he has Bijuu susano and indras arrow.

By actual fire power alone vote 2 sasuke > adult sasuke, add actual feats vote 2 sasuke stomps.

Adult sasuke failed to react to momoshiki fire rocks that caused severe injury and if wasnt for naruto catching him he would of landed KO on the floor.

U cant even compared that to a vote 2 sasuke.

U have no proof to back up any of ur claims, yet u have the audacity to call my argument supported by actual feats retarded... ok buddy good luck with that

-same shitty excuse of adult naruto and sasuke not using full power, completely ignoring the fact their kids were put in danger, let alone the fact that momoshik winning = end of world

U blindly assume they got stronger even tho they struggle and almost die with far weaker opponents and have garbage feats, why?

 

[Eng nawashi]

Did kishi really say Adult Naruto and Sasuke are equal !!!?Lol ,if we take these interviews deplomatic statments seriously then it would mean either Naruto became unable to use ashura avatar after losing the Full RSM or that sasuke still has Biju PS which is doubtful .

 

[KidGamer65]

Show me adult naruto with six path markings and tsb, he clearly lost some type of power, u cannot provide feats to back up ur garbage argument.

Irrelevant. Losing some types of power doesn't change the fact that his main power is what gives him his strength and he didn't lose it.

Adult naruto got stabbed by shin, dragged and almost had 9 tails absorbed by momoshiki

Kaguya WHO IS leagues above momoshiki, failed to do so againt TEEN (not kid as u like to call it)FULL rsm naruto, who managed to not only take her head on, smack her using chakra from ALL bijuus but also BLiTZ her. Clearly he got weaker

Shitty comparison, because Naruto sacrificed himself to save everyone, hence him getting caught by Momoshiki, and he was rusty in the Gaiden. Irrelevant to his power level.

Teen full rsm naruto who blitzed kaguya and has reflexes on par with jj madara, access to all bijuu chakra and abilities, tsb >>>> adult naruto that failed to react to a sword stab, gets dragged and almost 1 shot by weaker enemy momoshiki, only has full kuram

Wrong. Adult Naruto w/ Half of Hagoromo's power and Full Kurama>>>Kid Naruto w/ Half of Hagoromo's power and Half Kurama. Basic logic kiddo, let's start using it.

Last sasuke blew up HALF a meteor so weaak and small rock lee AND his students smashed the other half.

Irrelevant. Sasuke's Chidori became stronger and that's all that needs tob e shown.

Adult sasuke kept up with a FAR slower and incomplete rsm adult naruto that has garbage feats as i have explained above.

Based on nothing.

TEEN sasuke took on a far stronger RSM naruto who blitzed kaguya and smacked her around, and even managed to blitz him and his kurama avatars, not only that he has Bijuu susano and indras arrow.

No, he didn't.

By actual fire power alone vote 2 sasuke > adult sasuke, add actual feats vote 2 sasuke stomps.

Kishi stated they are equal.

Adult sasuke failed to react to momoshiki fire rocks that caused severe injury and if wasnt for naruto catching him he would of landed KO on the floor.

He did react. He just blocked with Susanoo and failed.

U cant even compared that to a vote 2 sasuke.

U have no proof to back up any of ur claims, yet u have the audacity to call my argument supported by actual feats retarded... ok buddy good luck with that

It's retarded because you try to take powers away from Naruto that are irrelevant to his full power. The rest is irrelevant nonsense.

 

[Blackzoro]

Irrelevant. Losing some types of power doesn't change the fact that his main power is what gives him his strength and he didn't lose it.



Shitty comparison, because Naruto sacrificed himself to save everyone, hence him getting caught by Momoshiki, and he was rusty in the Gaiden. Irrelevant to his power level.



Wrong. Adult Naruto w/ Half of Hagoromo's power and Full Kurama>>>Kid Naruto w/ Half of Hagoromo's power and Half Kurama. Basic logic kiddo, let's start using it.



Irrelevant. Sasuke's Chidori became stronger and that's all that needs tob e shown.



Based on nothing.



No, he didn't.


Kishi stated they are equal.



He did react. He just blocked with Susanoo and failed.

U cant even compared that to a vote 2 sasuke.



It's retarded because you try to take powers away from Naruto that are irrelevant to his full power. The rest is irrelevant nonsense.

So you dont believe rsm naruto was nerfed? If he had used Frog Kata against momoshiki he would have easily destroyed him. They should be stronger considering the time gap wouldnt that mean rsm strenght be deadlier?