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I am a Ph.D Research Scholar in Microbiology and Molecular Genetics.

1. My advise would be to never give up and never loose hope even if your experiments are going no where. I know how frustrating it is.
2. Be patient as you would need a lot of that in this field.
3. Always read the latest materials.
4. Assemble your data as soon as you get the results and don't put it off for later!

I thinks thats about it!
 

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What is your current profession?

What do you do for a living and if anyone is interested in your professional occupation what advice would you give them?

(Student is not a profession so dont say "student")

During my 7 years of studying psychology i was working as a Human Resources assistant. After my 3rd year i was promoted to Human resources advisor. Early this year i recieved my doctorates in psychology. Although some would think i would be working as a clinical psychologist, ive come to love my position as a HR advisor.

Using my study of psychology has come of an amazing benefit in the position im in.

So my advice for anyone whos inrerested in HR;

1. Dont apply for the position if you care too much about how other people see you.
2. Must be able to take control of any given situation
3. Must have patience
4. Even though you are not of managerial position, management seeks your expertise on recruitment and employment evaluation. So its best you show a personality of confidence and determination.
5. This is the most common thing needed in every job but as a person in HR, you must have excellent verbal and written communication skills.

So whats your profession?


Do you really love, love your position? lol
I'm in the USAF, stationed in Wyoming, majoring in HR/management. I'm a little over halfway done with my degree, hoping to finish it before my enlistment ends so that I may use my benefits to continue on with a graduates degree. I'm actually passionate about the degree, so we'll see how it plays out.
 

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Currently working for a party rental company, serving as a Infantryman in the army, and doing some mma training. I'm also studying business and technology but after I grad I don't know which I will stick with. So which do you want advise for?
 

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Do you really love, love your position? lol
I'm in the USAF, stationed in Wyoming, majoring in HR/management. I'm a little over halfway done with my degree, hoping to finish it before my enlistment ends so that I may use my benefits to continue on with a graduates degree. I'm actually passionate about the degree, so we'll see how it plays out.

I do, because ive built rapport with every employee i work with. What i notice about some HR advisors is that. When an employee does something wrong that breaches company rules or violates HR regulations they will report it to management, big or small.

I only report to management if the situation is critical, i.e; i caught 2 employees smoking weed and in that regard i reported it to their department manager and saw to it their termination from the company.

But if its small, i handle it myself, speak to them directly, nice and firm. Advise them of what they did wrong and have them fix it or improve behaviour. No need to involve management.
 

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I do, because ive built rapport with every employee i work with. What i notice about some HR advisors is that. When an employee does something wrong that breaches company rules or violates HR regulations they will report it to management, big or small.

I only report to management if the situation is critical, i.e; i caught 2 employees smoking weed and in that regard i reported it to their department manager and saw to it their termination from the company.

But if its small, i handle it myself, speak to them directly, nice and firm. Advise them of what they did wrong and have them fix it or improve behaviour. No need to involve management.

I feel as though you need a rational mind for the position. The wrong person could do more harm than good. The military really solidified my desire for the career path. Managerial roles are given to those who "rank up", but not everyone should be in their positions just because they can test highly on a test. This puts some of the worst people in positions where they affect the wellbeing of others.
 

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I asked about your profession. Which defines someone who uses education, skill or training to be of service to others or an industry.

You can list student as an occupation as seen in job applications because its asking what you do that keeps you occupied during the day.

An intern can be seen as a profession as they are using their special education and training to be of service to others.

So dont mix up profession and occupation.
I didn't mean to mix up, I asked for clarification exactly so that I wouldn't mix it up :p

Coz if you define profession as having 'special education, training or skill' to do a job: then what about jobs that don't require any of that? A job that anyone could do? (F.e washing dishes) Then the person has a job, but has no profession...You still asked for what one does for a living, and well, even a student can make a living out of his/her studies...But if you ask only about profession, basically you close some people (actually, like 95% of Narutobase) out of this discussion, then u.u And then, why ask separately for what one does for a living? One of the questions was redundant, imo.

I was a student and i have a Psy.D degree. However my professional career is an advisor.
Aaaand that's why I asked why PhD students can't be considered as having a profession.

Guess what I found:



The term Professional student has two uses in the university setting:

In the United States and Canada, if not elsewhere, a professional student is a student majoring in what are considered the professional degrees. These include Doctor of Education (Ed.D.), Doctor of Veterinary Medicine (D.V.M.), Law (J.D. or LL.B.), Dentistry (D.D.S. or D.M.D.), Medicine (M.D. or D.O.), Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT), Engineering, Business Administration (M.B.A.), Nursing (B.Sc.N.), and Pharmacy (Pharm.D. or B.Sc.Phm.), as well as many others.

"Professional student" is a slang term commonly used in colleges to describe a student who stays in school for many years rather than embarking on a career. To avoid these types, some four-year colleges have imposed limits on the length of time students can be enrolled in order to open up their limited slots to new students. However, the colleges allow for demonstrated exceptions (e.g., a student who holds down a full-time occupation or has a family to raise, who is clearly demonstrating progress toward a degree). See: perpetual student.

A less common meaning for "Professional student" is an individual who makes a living writing papers and doing college work in exchange for pay from other people.

Anyway I don't mean to troll, or smtg like that, I just thought it's really relevant to clarify what you mean...Coz I'm just a poor student and right now I don't have a part time job either so it means I couldn't post in the thread :shy:

As fors people who dislike HR. Its because some feel they have a lot of power. Sure we are the disciplinarians of the company. We are basically the tattle tales of the work place and the ones who say, you can or cant do this.
Yet, when HR has issues with an applicant or employee, it's us lawyers who'll have to take care of the labor litigation :|

However, some take it too far, dont build rapport with employees and are hated amongst colleagues.
Well, I think you're still better off there than as a clynical pshychologist. Let's just say I do not have a positive opinion on the usefulness of them, but it's irrelevant.
 
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A less common meaning for "Professional student" is an individual who makes a living writing papers and doing college work in exchange for pay from other people.

Yes and thats a whole other meaning. Professional students have their own definition as to a profession.

Truth be told i didnt study psychology because i wantdd to help the mentally ill. No. I studied psychology because i had an insatisble thirst for knowledge of the human mind. Ever since i was in the 9th grade my thoughts were, what causes someone to take that final step to take anothers life?

Even if studying psychology for 7 years, it only helps you understand certain aspects of human behaviour. Able to predict behavioural patterns to determine their next move. The use of pattern recognition, cognitive architecture (understanding the building blocks of cognitive behaviour) and heuristics allow for you to be someone who some would think is telepathic, but no. We gather data and use that as the basis of our predictions.

We can never fully understand the mind, but psychology helps us in some way. Its like working on a puzzle and the knowledge of psychology is the missing piece to completing it.
 
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Yes and thats a whole other meaning. Professional students have their own definition as to a profession.

Truth be told i didnt study psychology because i wantdd to help the mentally ill. No. I studied psychology because i had an insatisble thirst for knowledge of the human mind. Ever since i was in the 9th grade my thoughts were, what causes someone to take that final step to take anothers life?
That's an interesting question indeed. I guess we have smtg in common, as far as criminology is concerned.

May I ask what is the answer you've found?
 

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That's an interesting question indeed. I guess we have smtg in common, as far as criminology is concerned.

May I ask what is the answer you've found?

None. I can give you so many different answers as to why a person kills. However, i cannot give one that causes them to do so.

Fight or flight, mental instability, religious beliefs, survival. Those are reasons to kill, however not a reason to go through with it.

A lot of people have homicidal thoughts, but don't act on it. What causes a person to take that step? Determination.
 

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None. I can give you so many different answers as to why a person kills. However, i cannot give one that causes them to do so.

Fight or flight, mental instability, religious beliefs, survival. Those are reasons to kill, however not a reason to go through with it.

A lot of people have homicidal thoughts, but don't act on it. What causes a person to take that step? Determination.

I know it's more complex of a phenomenon than what could be summed up in a few sentences. I was just curious if you've found what you were looking for in your studies...Do you feel those 7 yrs paid off, if you feel you've come to understand the criminal mind, etc. It doesn't require a genius to tell that different people may kill for different reasons, f.e survival or mental disorder. Though I wonder, can we say that someone with a serious mental disorder, who may not even be able to grasp the consequences of his/her deeds, and may not even be aware of what he/she doing is wrong: that such a person is determined and made up his/her mind to go through with the murder? (A mind that is actually sick in the literal sense).
Determination -at least to a layman like myself- implies some kind of rationality. What is the process that leads up to the point when someone is determined to commit a crime? This crime doesn't have to be murder...it can be theft too, f.e. This process must be including some kind of deliberation, measuring the gains and losses, the consequences, circumstances etc. I've read that many murderers say when they are interviewed that they didn't really think about the suffering of their victims. I dunno if your studies confirm that or no...But if it's true, then it means murderers have less empathy. And it has something to do with biology/neurobiology too, but I'm not an expert at that, so I guess I'm not telling you anything new. Not that I mean to, I'm just thinking aloud :p But I assume that when you say determination, you're talking about cases when the person was not acting on the spur of the moment, f.e being drunk and engaging in a fight in the pub, or when someone is attacked and in the process of defending himself/herself, ends up killing the attacker. I also guess that most parents (if not all) would agree that they'd go as far as killing an attacker if there was no other way of stoppig him from raping their child. Maybe some instincts are so strong and morally justified that we don't have to think twice about it. You can hear though about cases when the mother didn't stop the stepfather from raping her kid, for yrs. Out of some fear or whatever. In which case the question is reversed. It's rather: why would a mother not be determined to protect her child? Hmmm...
 

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Though I wonder, can we say that someone with a serious mental disorder, who may not even be able to grasp the consequences of his/her deeds, and may not even be aware of what he/she doing is wrong: that such a person is determined and made up his/her mind to go through with the murder? (A mind that is actually sick in the literal sense).

Legally, yes. A mind that is legally insane may still be able to rationalize what they are doing and form plans. Let me give an example: if the perpetrator of a murder had psychosis and thought aliens were invading and they had to stop them, then they could form a plan to get guns and fight off the "aliens." Even thought this person is capable of planning and may be determined to carry out this plan, they would not realize that they are killing people and would be eligible for the not guilty by insanity plea.

Just curious, is anyone following the James Holmes trial?
 

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Legally, yes. A mind that is legally insane may still be able to rationalize what they are doing and form plans. Let me give an example: if the perpetrator of a murder had psychosis and thought aliens were invading and they had to stop them, then they could form a plan to get guns and fight off the "aliens." Even thought this person is capable of planning and may be determined to carry out this plan, they would not realize that they are killing people and would be eligible for the not guilty by insanity plea.
Your reasoning doesn't necessarily apply only to mental diseases. In general, if you are mistaken in fact, that may acquit you from criminal responsibility. F.e. you buy a car but you don't know it's stolen. Your intention was not to to trade illegally. You were deceived. You were convinced that what you do is legal, and you had no reason to think otherwise. The documents were forged, etc...whatever you can imagine.

In your example, the intention of the insane person was not to murder humans. Killing invading aliens is not murder. Same way, if I hear strange noises in the house and I think it's burglars, and I hit the person in the dark and he/she might actually die of the hit: and it turns out it was my son sneaking in after coming home from a party I was not aware he went to: then I was mistaken in the person and I thought I was defending my home and I had every reason to be afraid coz few weeks ago a neighbor was burgled...

The point is, even sane persons can be mistaken about their deeds.

Now you might accuse me of missing your point that just like sane persons can be mistaken, insane people can also be able to plan and rationalize: well as you see I didn't miss the point :p Now of course anyone could just say that 'oh I didn't kill my wife coz I hated her but coz I thought she is a burglar': well you actually can say that. You have the presumption of innocence, and the court has to prove that you had no reason to think otherwise. Take the Pistorious case. He said he killed his gf coz he thought it's burglars. So it's actually a real case. Another question is that he was proven guilty.

There are extreme cases possible, f.e in that movie with Sharon Stone I think when she had this...illness when you drink even a drop of alcohol, you become intoxicated (I'm lazy to look up the formal name), and in that state you are not responsible for your actions. Note that it is not the same as getting drunk. Being drunk is not an excuse. But that illness is. So she planned that somehow she'd get into that state and she knew she'd kill her victim then, but she could plead not guilty. But she was busted somehow. The point is, someone may actually rationally plan to get into a state of mind when she/he loses his/her mind (and again, this is not the same as getting drugged/drunk). Ok, I digress , I just thought it's interesting.

But back to the point, I was rather asking cases when someone suffers from such a mental disease that he/she is not responsible legally at all. F.e retarded people. I mean, officially retarded people, who were born like that...Sorry, English is not my first language and I don't know all the official legal and medic terms...But you get my point. At least, in our penal code, certain people are simply not liable: children, retarded people,etc.

So my question was rather about these cases...Of course I can also think of certain mental disorders when the person didn't lose all his/her ability to plan/rationalize. But when someone is born retarded, or an old person with dementia, who lost the ability to rationally think about the consequences of killing a human: in their case, I don't know if we can say that the step distinguishing them from those who do not actually act upon homicidal thoughts: is determination. And even in your case, the determination is not to kill humans. Your person is determined to kill aliens. So, my point is (and I may be wrong) that to say that someone is determined, the person must have the mental ability to measure the consequences at least. If one doesn't even know what his action may result in: how can we say that he was determined to achieve that result? (Thus your case is different as the person could see the consequences -if you shoot a being, it dies- he was just mistaken about his targets' identity, but if he knew they were not aliens but humans, he probably wouldn't have killed them).But just because someone can plan, it still doesn't necessarily mean that his determination was to murder, even if that's the result. Sane or insane that person may be.
 
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Well, I'm heading to university to pursue a medical course; thinking of orthopaedic medicine. Reason I chose it because:

1). It pays well.
2). It's related to fitness and sports, which I'm fan of.

I would recommend someone to choose a profession that will benefit their lives.
 

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2. Find a way to keep your job fresh or you'll get burned out hard.
a. Take care of yourself well outside of work.
b. Try cognitively reframing your job and role in a more positive light.
c. Work to stop negative thoughts when they occur.
d. If you have to move around in your agency to experience something new in your field, do it.
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Legally, yes. A mind that is legally insane may still be able to rationalize what they are doing and form plans. Let me give an example: if the perpetrator of a murder had psychosis and thought aliens were invading and they had to stop them, then they could form a plan to get guns and fight off the "aliens." Even thought this person is capable of planning and may be determined to carry out this plan, they would not realize that they are killing people and would be eligible for the not guilty by insanity plea.

Just curious, is anyone following the James Holmes trial?

Your reasoning doesn't necessarily apply only to mental diseases. In general, if you are mistaken in fact, that may acquit you from criminal responsibility. F.e. you buy a car but you don't know it's stolen. Your intention was not to to trade illegally. You were deceived. You were convinced that what you do is legal, and you had no reason to think otherwise. The documents were forged, etc...whatever you can imagine.

In your example, the intention of the insane person was not to murder humans. Killing invading aliens is not murder. Same way, if I hear strange noises in the house and I think it's burglars, and I hit the person in the dark and he/she might actually die of the hit: and it turns out it was my son sneaking in after coming home from a party I was not aware he went to: then I was mistaken in the person and I thought I was defending my home and I had every reason to be afraid coz few weeks ago a neighbor was burgled...

The point is, even sane persons can be mistaken about their deeds.

Now you might accuse me of missing your point that just like sane persons can be mistaken, insane people can also be able to plan and rationalize: well as you see I didn't miss the point :p Now of course anyone could just say that 'oh I didn't kill my wife coz I hated her but coz I thought she is a burglar': well you actually can say that. You have the presumption of innocence, and the court has to prove that you had no reason to think otherwise. Take the Pistorious case. He said he killed his gf coz he thought it's burglars. So it's actually a real case. Another question is that he was proven guilty.

There are extreme cases possible, f.e in that movie with Sharon Stone I think when she had this...illness when you drink even a drop of alcohol, you become intoxicated (I'm lazy to look up the formal name), and in that state you are not responsible for your actions. Note that it is not the same as getting drunk. Being drunk is not an excuse. But that illness is. So she planned that somehow she'd get into that state and she knew she'd kill her victim then, but she could plead not guilty. But she was busted somehow. The point is, someone may actually rationally plan to get into a state of mind when she/he loses his/her mind (and again, this is not the same as getting drugged/drunk). Ok, I digress , I just thought it's interesting.

But back to the point, I was rather asking cases when someone suffers from such a mental disease that he/she is not responsible legally at all. F.e retarded people. I mean, officially retarded people, who were born like that...Sorry, English is not my first language and I don't know all the official legal and medic terms...But you get my point. At least, in our penal code, certain people are simply not liable: children, retarded people,etc.

So my question was rather about these cases...Of course I can also think of certain mental disorders when the person didn't lose all his/her ability to plan/rationalize. But when someone is born retarded, or an old person with dementia, who lost the ability to rationally think about the consequences of killing a human: in their case, I don't know if we can say that the step distinguishing them from those who do not actually act upon homicidal thoughts: is determination. And even in your case, the determination is not to kill humans. Your person is determined to kill aliens. So, my point is (and I may be wrong) that to say that someone is determined, the person must have the mental ability to measure the consequences at least. If one doesn't even know what his action may result in: how can we say that he was determined to achieve that result? (Thus your case is different as the person could see the consequences -if you shoot a being, it dies- he was just mistaken about his targets' identity, but if he knew they were not aliens but humans, he probably wouldn't have killed them).But just because someone can plan, it still doesn't necessarily mean that his determination was to murder, even if that's the result. Sane or insane that person may be.

The term you two are looking for is NGRI (Not guilty by Reason of Insanity)...kind of an antiquated term now that I'm looking at it. One of my responsibilities is evaluating forensic clients (incarcerated people) for psychiatric hospitalization. You need a few other doctors to determine if the client has capacity to understand their actions and consequences. If they are deemed incompetent then they are tried again in a hearing (usually at the forensic state hospital) for NGRI. If the judge agrees with the psychiatrist/psychologists the client is labeled NGRI and time served in a psychiatric hospital equates to time served in a jail. The only caveat is that once you are deemed that incompetent your freedom is going to be severely limited for the rest of your life. Most of these people stay in forensic hospitals or group homes for violent offenders long after their time would have been served in prison. We also don't do NGRI very often anymore. I remember the movie, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. It doesn't really work that way anymore like it did in the 1960s.

One thing I see so often are people pretending to be psychotic to get out of jail time. It doesn't work. You get sent to the psychiatric hospital until you're healthy to return to your jail sentence. The time served in a psychiatric hospital does not count toward your sentence unless you are NGRI, so most of those people just extend the inevitable.
 

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