What is wrong with pairings?

[Shruikan]

that's the only reason sasusaku exist as a canon pairing, pure fan service for the pairing fandom and because they are both main characters, nothing more, nothing else.

This manga exists for the fans.You want to know why pairings and powerups happen?Money which is gotten from the fans and hence the reason

 

[Endles Waltz]

butthurt too much?

where sasusaku as a pairing was relevant for the entire story before chapter 700? and for both characters evolution?

you gave the answer all by yourself: last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters

that's the only reason sasusaku exist as a canon pairing, pure fan service for the pairing fandom and because they are both main characters, nothing more, nothing else.

also, sasusaku is the most important hetero fandom in Japan thx to part 1 when it was still possible for Kishimoto to gave them a real consistency and when they were still giving a positive image as a couple.

but he didn't go that way on purpose, Sasuke left and sasusaku evolution stopped here.
that's why this pairing smells so bad + all the bad aura it creates around the 2 characters and the fact that Sasuke fandom surely hate this crap for good reasons (Sakura fandom apparently like it a lot more which is not a surprise at all).

oh and btw it's not my opinion, it's reality

time to accept it, Hinata was here at key moments when Naruto couldn't do anything anymore all by himself, that's why even if she's a side character, her influence in the manga is freaking huge because when you see her interacting with Naruto, something important is building up.

and it's always like this with naruhina, give and receive, always positive, it was constructed as a slow dynamic with big impulses in purpose.
that's why it doesn't need to be a million of pages and panels, it's concentrated, only when Naruto or Hinata needed it or are about to take a big step as characters.

Kishimoto said it himself and he shown it in the manga, in case you didn't see, here is the résumé from the movie databook =>

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it's Kishimoto's opinion not just mine and what he chose to do, stop being in denial sasusaku don't have anything like this because he didn't make anything for them except giving them a child like all the rookies in chapter 700 and you know it.

he never talked about them as a couple in itw and when he was asked about it, he said he didn't though about how they ended together neither their romantic stuff, what's the problem with this couple?

he had no problem to talk about the others, he even said he would make some stuff about Gaara's reaction to Temari and Shikamaru being a couple when Gaara's VA asked for it...

Just like Koshej, looking too deeply into NaruHina making it a bigger deal than it actually is and hating on the rival pairing so it can look better.

And you use Movie material to support your statements when it was never Kishi's idea in the first place, I was referring to the manga which Kishi himself spent 15 years on, and like I said pairings don't mean much to him including NaruHina. refer to my previous replies to Koshej I don't want to repeat myself.

Stop trying to make sense with this person.He once claimed that Sasuke was cheating on Sakura when he was away.

Makes sense, since like I just said many NaruHina fans are now bashing SasuSaku so their pairing can look better in comparison.

Both pairings are very simple, the 2 girls get the 2 main guys whom they loved from the start and Kishi didn't bother to emphasize and develop cause he doesn't give a crap.

 

[Edenia]

Just like Koshej, looking too deeply into NaruHina making it a bigger deal than it actually is and hating on the rival pairing so it can look better.

And you use Movie material to support your statements when it was never Kishi's idea in the first place, I was referring to the manga which Kishi himself spent 15 years on, and like I said pairings don't mean much to him including NaruHina. refer to my previous replies to Koshej I don't want to repeat myself.



Makes sense, since like I just said many NaruHina fans are now bashing SasuSaku so their pairing can look better in comparison.

Both pairings are very simple, the 2 girls get the 2 main guys whom they loved from the start and Kishi didn't bother to emphasize and develop cause he doesn't give a crap.

yes you're right. We have to take into account that Kishi never even intended to write a romance story for both for starts. He just wanted to leave it that way.

 

[1Told]

I think that, besides Naruto being the main character and as such his story is more important, it also has to do with the fact that it's not easy to make a romance story for a character who has a stoic and taciturn nature. Even though he does have emotions, he is not lovey-dovey nor someone cheerful like Naruto so it has to be something more subtle. It's somewhat more natural to come up with something for NaruHina and drawing them all happy and cheesy in my opinion.

nope Sasuke romantic side would have killed for sure because he's this peculiar type of character, the silent stoic one with a bad boy aura, it's even more strong with characters like Itachi whom have even more *** appeal.

they are coming from the darkside to the lightside again and guess what, females especially love that if the other person in the pairing is satisfying too and males surely enjoy the bad ones when they act like heroes Lol

the problem is Sakura is the most hated character of the manga, Japan, US and Europe etc it's real everywhere!!!
but she's a main and Kishimoto started something with both in part 1, that's how you have a crappy fan service which make no sense and is irrelevant af for the manga and the characters.

This manga exists for the fans.You want to know why pairings and powerups happen?Money which is gotten from the fans and hence the reason

oh my...i like this answer especially coming from you =D

of course it's all about the fan service but good fan service taste better than shitty smelly one, the movie is doing great because it's really well done for what it is: cheesy tasty lovey dovey fan service!!!

Just like Koshej, looking too deeply into NaruHina making it a bigger deal than it actually is and hating on the rival pairing so it can look better.

And you use Movie material to support your statements when it was never Kishi's idea in the first place, I was referring to the manga which Kishi himself spent 15 years on, and like I said pairings don't mean much to him including NaruHina. refer to my previous replies to Koshej I don't want to repeat myself.



Makes sense, since like I just said many NaruHina fans are now bashing SasuSaku so their pairing can look better in comparison.

Both pairings are very simple, the 2 girls get the 2 main guys whom they loved from the start and Kishi didn't bother to emphasize and develop cause he doesn't give a crap.

talking about ideas:
whom told him to create Sasuke and Sakura?
whom forced him to do this shitty love triangle stuff from part 1?
why Kishimoto created Hinata before Sasuke and Sakura and put her in the same panel as Naruto if he didn't gave a shit about her especially and making her special for his main hero, the plot and his evolution as a character?

it was not his idea in the first place to create both Sasuke and Sakura, see how ridiculous you are now.
you basically love 2 characters Kishimoto wouldn't have created if his editor didn't ask him to do so and the same thing can be said about their romantic interactions Lol

Kishimoto like Hinata's character just like the fans like her, he wanted this to happen in the manga and he wanted it to happen in a movie of course, don't be silly.
you can make money and love something at the same time you see, it's what most people want in life!

your pairing is very simple yep, exactly what you said but naruhina is not like that, the entire manga proves how wrong you are, the databooks too and the movie you don't want to hear about too.


very simple questions, just tell me how naruhina didn't mean much to him when Hinata was introduced just to be instantly associated with Naruto by other characters (Lee and Sakura saying they are similar) + both of them (Naruto cheering for her and making a promise to her she couldn't hear and later Hinata doing exactly the same thing) + the plot (same opponent aka Neji, same situation aka a fight, same dynamic aka negative going positive etc)?

if it was not important, why it was Hinata whom jumped to help him against Pain? why not Sakura or someone else around?

if it was not important, why the trigger for Naruto to went full berserk 9 tails in a couple of sec (which permit him to meet his father and again make a big step for the plot and as a character) was only her? why not Jiraya's death? or something else?

if it was not important, why Kishimoto chose this specific moment to make Hinata confess her love to Naruto? why not before like for example when Naruto returned after being outside the village for 2 years? why a huge romantic moment in such a dramatic situation?

 

[Shruikan]

oh my...i like this answer especially coming from you =D

of course it's all about the fan service but good fan service taste better than shitty smelly one, the movie is doing great because it's really well done for what it is: cheesy tasty lovey dovey fan service!!!

Thats your opinion.I know many SS fans who feel vice versa of this statement after this movie

"in b4 you call em butthurt over no SS in movie"

it was not his idea in the first place to create both Sasuke and Sakura, see how ridiculous you are now.
you basically love 2 characters Kishimoto wouldn't have created if his editor didn't ask him to do so and the same thing can be said about their romantic interactions Lol

And yet this manga cant even exist if you remove Sasuke from it.He is arguably the most developed character in the series and I even find him more interesting than Naruto

Even Kishi admits that Sasuek was the character that gave him the most trouble to write which is a praise for the latter

Kishimoto like Hinata's character just like the fans like her, he wanted this to happen in the manga and he wanted it to happen in a movie of course, don't be silly.

He never intended the movie .NH was supposed to end in the manga as we see it now.Pierott came up with the movie deal,he red pencilled and scanned the script and okayed it

you can make money and love something at the same time you see, it's what most people want in life!

Agreed.But my point was that you were making it sound as if NH was not fan service but SS was

your pairing is very simple yep, exactly what you said but naruhina is not like that, the entire manga proves how wrong you are, the databooks too and the movie you don't want to hear about too.

Both pairings lack concrete romantic development in the manga.Its near zero.
The only thing that was emphasised regarding the pairings was that Hinata loved Naruto and Sakura loved Sasuke.Thats about it and thats what it ended on in the manga

BTW about that tails part.It depended on the opponent.Pain's extraordinary strength made him reach that stage.At first it was four tails and yet Pain was still leading,than it became six at which point Pain still just matched Naruto and incased him in Planetary Devastation and this forced Naruto to reach nine tails to get himself out of it

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

yes you're right. We have to take into account that Kishi never even intended to write a romance story for both for starts. He just wanted to leave it that way.

It does not make what he is making less canon. This excuse is shitty as the argument. Because in the end of the day Kishi approved this movie. He was part of its creation. Therefore he is just as responsible for it as SP.

Like 1told said Sasuke and Sakura was not his idea. It was the editors idea. It does not make what he made even less canon.

 

[Edenia]

It does not make what he is making less canon. This excuse is shitty as the argument. Because in the end of the day Kishi approved this movie. He was part of its creation. Therefore he is just as responsible for it as SP.

Like 1told said Sasuke and Sakura was not his idea. It was the editors idea. It does not make what he made even less canon.

It was just because he said Kishi didn't know how to come up with a story for SS, well neither for NH cause the movie wasn't his idea. It's not an argument used to know which one of them is superior. They're both canon. It's rather stupid this behaviour.

 

[Shruikan]

It does not make what he is making less canon. This excuse is shitty as the argument. Because in the end of the day Kishi approved this movie. He was part of its creation. Therefore he is just as responsible for it as SP.

Like 1told said Sasuke and Sakura was not his idea. It was the editors idea. It does not make what he made even less canon.

The Chunnin exam arc was the editors idea.Naruto was originally supposed to turn into kyuubi at will and the editors scrapped it.Sasuke and Sakura were suggested by editors.Romance triangle was suggested by editors.The movie was actually written by the studio.Toneri was supposed to show up in Part 3 and editors scrapped it too.How much control did this guy have over his own manga is lolworthy

But I still say that if it wasnt for Sasuke this manga would not have been half as interesting as it turned out to be.EVen Kishi admits Sasuke is his favourite character

 

[Koshej]

Oh I see! Don't mind me then. I didn't even mention anything about development cause really...people have their own interpretation of it.

Look at Radon's SIG.
Then think whether it's worthwhile to listen to someone not ashamed of making fun of others this blatantly, let alone for such a stupid reason to begin with.

 

[shelke]

Yet most people saw them coming from a mile away.

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They were poorly developed and executed, also extremely rushed.

Funny, I didn't, when most of my predictions came out right:

- Tomoe Rinnegan / Juubi eye for Sasuke.
- Ninjutsu development by Indra.
- Naruto using Ninshuu.
- Sasuke will gain flight.
- Sasuke will gain an Enton Sword.
- He will develop a better version of Kirin etc etc.

Also, Kishimoto himself states that he killed Neji and went with Hinats's popularity for NH. Now you can say whatever you want. Personally speaking, I don't give a damn about pairings as I wanted Sasuke to be a single man-****, saturating women to his heart's content. But, I do give a damn about consistency and foregrounding. NH had nothing. SS had nothing for it.

So, other than people wishing for their favourite pairings to come true translates into 'saw it happening a mile away', any logic anyone conjures here for NH and SS prior to the pairing is poor fan-fiction. I am actually looking at this objectively. In fact, I made a prediction before I left for a month's break and Naruto ended during that time that, "if Hinata is the first person shown when IT breaks, NH and SS are confirmed." It happened exactly like that.

This is a manga that is very easy to predict and offer criticism for. As I said, I have a knack for analysis. NH and SS - two fan-fictions that became a reality due to popularity of SS and Hinata for NH. Simple as that.

Always has made Shounen stuff worse plot wise, excluding DBZ (No real plot in the first place).

It only becomes popular due to the female and beta male fans, which then leads to shitty fan service for those people.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I am appalled that men like this kind of shitty romance. I thought we went for straight up passion? This is the stuff a twelve year old girl on her first menstruation cycle would find nice and get all giddy over... it is that bad.

 

[Koshej]

Just like Koshej, looking too deeply into NaruHina making it a bigger deal than it actually is and hating on the rival pairing so it can look better.

Or MAYBE because Sakura's REASONLESS FANGIRL OBSESSION actually STINKS in comparison to Hinata's INSPIRED ADMIRATION LOVE???
I'm YET to receive ANY answer as to WHY Sakura even LIKES Sasuke to begin with, IN THE MANGA.
You KNOW you're being stupid, and you RELISH it.
I HATE such people for REAL.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

The Chunnin exam arc was the editors idea.Naruto was originally supposed to turn into kyuubi at will and the editors scrapped it.Sasuke and Sakura were suggested by editors.Romance triangle was suggested by editors.The movie was actually written by the studio.Toneri was supposed to show up in Part 3 and editors scrapped it too.How much control did this guy have over his own manga is lolworthy

But I still say that if it wasnt for Sasuke this manga would not have been half as interesting as it turned out to be.EVen Kishi admits Sasuke is his favourite character

I agree with the Sasuke part. But it still does not change the fact that most of this manga was not his idea. Therefore the movie should be seen on the same footing as the manga. Since its been clearly said to be canon by Kishimoto himself.

 

[Edenia]

Look at Radon's SIG.
Then think whether it's worthwhile to listen to someone not ashamed of making fun of others this blatantly, let alone for such a stupid reason to begin with.

I don't support making fun of anyone nor do I do that but I acknowledge that he does say things with sense. Sasuke was indeed the character that for me made this manga more interesting and he is also right when he says people do overreact and always try to make NH so superior and keep bashing SS. They're both far from being ideal or well developed.

 

[Koshej]

This is a manga that is very easy to predict and offer criticism for. As I said, I have a knack for analysis. NH and SS - two fan-fictions that became a reality due to popularity of SS and Hinata for NH. Simple as that.

Let's just IGNORE all the NH/SS development in PART ONE then, smart ass.
Cause it must be the FANS that forced Kishi to make Naruto make a BLOOD VOW for Hinata (never mind that she was introduced just a few chapters previously), then OPEN UP to HER (despite initially shunning her as a shy weirdo just a few chapters ago, again), then actually SAY that HE LIKES PEOPLE LIKE HER.
It's ALL because of the FANS, FANS, FANS.
Yes, FANS.

 

[shelke]

The Chunnin exam arc was the editors idea.Naruto was originally supposed to turn into kyuubi at will and the editors scrapped it.Sasuke and Sakura were suggested by editors.Romance triangle was suggested by editors.The movie was actually written by the studio.Toneri was supposed to show up in Part 3 and editors scrapped it too.How much control did this guy have over his own manga is lolworthy

But I still say that if it wasnt for Sasuke this manga would not have been half as interesting as it turned out to be.EVen Kishi admits Sasuke is his favourite character

He stated that "Sasuke challenged him as a character." That is the biggest compliment he could have given to his own writing and Sasuke as a character. A challenging character is a good character.

 

[Shruikan]

Or MAYBE because Sakura's REASONLESS FANGIRL OBSESSION actually STINKS in comparison to Hinata's INSPIRED ADMIRATION LOVE???
I'm YET to receive ANY answer as to WHY Sakura even LIKES Sasuke to begin with, IN THE MANGA.
You KNOW you're being stupid, and you RELISH it.
I HATE such people for REAL.

You are so deluded.You do realise that even in real life many love marriages take place simply because the guy thinks a girl looks good or vice versa.So will you call that fan girl/boy obsession as well? or she just wants the D?

Do a google search on "Love does not need a reason" and read documentaries on the subject so you would realise the shit you just typed

Sakura's love doesnt have a reason as is canonically stated but I fail to see why this is bad

 

[shelke]

Let's just IGNORE all the NH/SS development in PART ONE then, smart ass.
Cause it must be the FANS that forced Kishi to make Naruto make a BLOOD VOW for Hinata (never mind that she was introduced just a few chapters previously), then OPEN UP to HER (despite initially shunning her as a shy weirdo just a few chapters ago, again), then actually SAY that HE LIKES PEOPLE LIKE HER.
It's ALL because of the FANS, FANS, FANS.
Yes, FANS.

The fact they you are still blabbering even after I showed you the link and the interview where Kishimoto states how NH even developed ... this is too much then.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I don't support making fun of anyone nor do I do that but I acknowledge that he does say things with sense. Sasuke was indeed the character that for me made this manga more interesting and he is also right when he says people do overreact and always try to make NH so superior and keep bashing SS. They're both far from being ideal or well developed.

NaruHina has some redeeming qualities that it has been shown in a positive light throughout the manga. SasuSaku on the other hand had some very terribly abusive moments. Even you know it yet you support it because you love tragic love. Well thats fine and dandy, but others will not see it that way. They will see it as abuse, since that is how it was portrayed. Where as NaruHina was never like that. So in my opinion its more natural for people to bash SasuSaku than NaruHina. Since one is seen as abuse, while the other is seen as a more positive realationship.

 

[Koshej]

I don't support making fun of anyone nor do I do that but I acknowledge that he does say things with sense. Sasuke was indeed the character that for me made this manga more interesting and he is also right when he says people do overreact and always try to make NH so superior and keep bashing SS. They're both far from being ideal or well developed.

Far from being well developed - maybe, it's subjective anyways.
Far from being a great LESSON for the READER - you must be BLIND to NOT see this.
Or too STUPID.
Just like Radon, who thinks that anyone liking Hinata OVER Naruto must be an idiot - never mind that Naruto is a Goku-incarnate cliche of a HERO, whereas Hinata is a unique NON-HERO character based around the idea of true selfless love that leads to personal sacrifices (not necessarily fatal ones, btw).

 

[1Told]

Thats your opinion.I know many SS fans who feel vice versa of this statement after this movie

"in b4 you call em butthurt over no SS in movie"

And yet this manga cant even exist if you remove Sasuke from it.He is arguably the most developed character in the series and I even find him more interesting than Naruto

Even Kishi admits that Sasuek was the character that gave him the most trouble to write which is a praise for the latter


He never intended the movie .NH was supposed to end in the manga as we see it now.Pierott came up with the movie deal,he red pencilled and scanned the script and okayed it



Agreed.But my point was that you were making it sound as if NH was not fan service but SS was



Both pairings lack concrete romantic development in the manga.Its near zero.
The only thing that was emphasised regarding the pairings was that Hinata loved Naruto and Sakura loved Sasuke.Thats about it and thats what it ended on in the manga

it's just the argument that is beyond stupid, not everything was Kishimoto's ideas so complaining about the movie is nonsense since Sasuke and Sakura are not his ideas either.

nah i call them butthurt because our fan service is huge and theirs is well, almost non existent at this point and crappy af.

Sarada doesn't count as one since all the rookies in chapter 700 had kids except Gaara (maybe his gf is still pregnant, who knows) and Tenten (in her case, nothing is sure, maybe she's with Rock Lee nobody knows either) and the fact Kishimoto made her look like Karin doesn't help them Lol

just a tiny example, sasusaku would have been a bit more decent if Sakura punched Sasuke in chapter 699 forcing him to show her some respect after all the shit he have done instead of wetting her short like a bubble head fangirl.
Naruto destroyed his arm to teach him Life so why not?
and Sakura physically abused many guys in the manga before, it's not like she cannot do it or she won't do it when someone hurt her.

just by doing this, their relationship would start with another perspective, both would evolved according to this relevant fresh stuff and not just like he left her when they were 13, abused her, tortured her, almost killed her but he touched her forehead before leaving again for who knows how many years and boom a decade later they have a kid!!!

that's just the worst bullshit you can imagine, it's not good fan service at all!

i really don't like Sakura but come on, it's nasty and insulting, Sasuke needed and asked to be punished that's why he went so far with Naruto but Sakura just had: i'm sorry and forehead poke, really?
you are proud of this pairing and happy with this crap?

reminds me of this autoplay

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