What is wrong with pairings?

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NaruHina has some redeeming qualities that it has been shown in a positive light throughout the manga. SasuSaku on the other hand had some very terribly abusive moments. Even you know it yet you support it because you love tragic love. Well thats fine and dandy, but others will not see it that way. They will see it as abuse, since that is how it was portrayed. Where as NaruHina was never like that. So in my opinion its more natural for people to bash SasuSaku than NaruHina. Since one is seen as abuse, while the other is seen as a more positive realationship.

I already know that. But if they're both canon, what's the need to come to this kind of debates really? Does keep insisting on the negativity of one reinforce the positivity of the other? they're different with different charactes with different stories and backgrounds.
 

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NaruHina has some redeeming qualities that it has been shown in a positive light throughout the manga. SasuSaku on the other hand had some very terribly abusive moments. Even you know it yet you support it because you love tragic love. Well thats fine and dandy, but others will not see it that way. They will see it as abuse, since that is how it was portrayed. Where as NaruHina was never like that. So in my opinion its more natural for people to bash SasuSaku than NaruHina. Since one is seen as abuse, while the other is seen as a more positive realationship.
Personally I feel SasuSaku's negative moments were emphasised much more than NH positive moments.After 615 there was literally nothing but we could still see SS albeit negative right till the end
So from a strict manga perspective SS has much more to remember than NH because it was action packed so to speak and involved Sasuke a character who is not lovey dovey to begin with whereas with Naruto,it was honestly not much paying attention to Hinata at all
Was it even that hard to do NH development at the end by saving her from IT and doing those battle combos?And he could still have kept up the ship teases with the others to not make it apparent
 

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Far from being well developed - maybe, it's subjective anyways.
Far from being a great LESSON for the READER - you must be BLIND to NOT see this.
Or too STUPID.
Just like Radon, who thinks that anyone liking Hinata OVER Naruto must be an idiot - never mind that Naruto is a Goku-incarnate cliche of a HERO, whereas Hinata is a unique NON-HERO character based around the idea of true selfless love that leads to personal sacrifices (not necessarily fatal ones, btw).

No, I'm not stupid. Where's the lesson in NH? keep stalking a guy until you get him? only caring about Naruto and forget about your team mates many times? is that a lesson? I find it honorable for Hinata to admire Naruto and fall in love with him for those reasons and even risk her life to save him. I'd give my life for the ones I love too be it my bf or friends. I dont hate Hinata cause I actually share some features with her. However, I don't think there's an ideal lesson of love in NH nor in SS.
 

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You are so deluded.You do realise that even in real life many love marriages take place simply because the guy thinks a girl looks good or vice versa.So will you call that fan girl/boy obsession as well? or she just wants the D?

Do a google search on "Love does not need a reason" and read documentaries on the subject so you would realise the shit you just typed

Sakura's love doesnt have a reason as is canonically stated but I fail to see why this is bad
Look, moronosaurus, do YOU love someone "romantically"???
Or better, what about your PARENTS???
Do THEY love each other "for no reason"???
Or maybe they actually RESPECT and/or ADMIRE something about the other???
The problem with Sakura isn't that she cling to Sasuke - but that she does it for no REASON that would outweigh the NEGATIVE stuff he had done to her.
Look, I've said it before - you can love DESPITE something, but you still need a REASON for that love to begin with.
I tired of explaining how you can't FEEL love with no BASIS behind it.
Love is a feeling you feel BASED on something you LIKE in the loved person (or something intrinsic like biological familial ties, but it's not our case here).
You can't love the AIR that has no BASIS.
Sakura seems to DO just that.
Oh, and I'm always talking about pre-699.
 

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The fact they you are still blabbering even after I showed you the link and the interview where Kishimoto states how NH even developed ... this is too much then.
YOU are just a moron, so I feel no need to listen to your nonsense at all.
 

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I already know that. But if they're both canon, what's the need to come to this kind of debates really? Does keep insisting on the negativity of one reinforce the positivity of the other? they're different with different charactes with different stories and backgrounds.

I think this has more to do with Sakura threads and Hinata threads. The debate is more between these two characters than the pairing itself. Lately on the base we have been getting in a lot of debates about these two particular characters. There love life was also included in those debates. That is why you see a sudden compairison between the two pairings. Also there are people like 1Told and Lady Byakugan who always hated SS. So there opinions about SasuSaku goes deep.
 

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Far from being well developed - maybe, it's subjective anyways.
Far from being a great LESSON for the READER - you must be BLIND to NOT see this.
Or too STUPID.
Just like Radon, who thinks that anyone liking Hinata OVER Naruto must be an idiot - never mind that Naruto is a Goku-incarnate cliche of a HERO, whereas Hinata is a unique NON-HERO character based around the idea of true selfless love that leads to personal sacrifices (not necessarily fatal ones, btw).

Naruto?A Goku incarnate?LMAO

When did Goku's TnJ ever succeed?Lol Better yet did Goku even kiss Vegeta's ass when he got evil?The differences are striking

And yes anyone who likes Hinata over Naruto is a pure idiot with VERY VERY low standards for quality literature.I am sorry for being rude but I find this idea as the definition of stupidity
 

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NaruHina has some redeeming qualities that it has been shown in a positive light throughout the manga. SasuSaku on the other hand had some very terribly abusive moments. Even you know it yet you support it because you love tragic love. Well thats fine and dandy, but others will not see it that way. They will see it as abuse, since that is how it was portrayed. Where as NaruHina was never like that. So in my opinion its more natural for people to bash SasuSaku than NaruHina. Since one is seen as abuse, while the other is seen as a more positive realationship.
You still sound as if NaruHina can only be seen as GOOD only in comparison to the awful SasuSaku.
That's Radon's point - but that's NOT MY point AT ALL.
I like NaruHina and Hinata just for THEM, NOT in comparison to SasuSaku or even Sakura.
I'm just seriously bothered by people PREFERRING the ABUSE over the ADMIRATION.
THAT is beyond any common sense to ME.
 

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Or maybe they actually RESPECT and/or ADMIRE something about the other???

Note that this respect and admiration can also be born out of just finding the other person good looking.
 

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YOU are just a moron, so I feel no need to listen to your nonsense at all.

I would just leave here and then you can keep letting out your girly wails in the corner:

In a recent interview Kishimoto revealed that Kabuto and Orochimaru (and other lesser characters) will be making a return in the Naruto mini-series, which could explain why they did not make an appearance in the ending of Naruto Shippuden (see point 10).

This is an apparent translated summary of the recent interview:
1.When Kishimoto first created Naruto, he was inspired by a roadside ramen stall, and so he wanted to write about a youth eating ramen. While his theme was considered questionable, in the end it was able to get serialized.

2.The Fourth Hokage's appearance was inspired by combining Kiba and Akamaru's appearance.

3.Before the Chunnin exams, Kishimoto originally wanted to draw a few more missions, but due to the vastness of the Naruto universe and its many characters, Kishimoto asked his assistant for help in creating some of the characters, which resulted in the creation of Rock Lee, who is based on Jackie Chan.

4. Due to the regulations associated with the Animation industry, Kishimoto was told that Shikamaru's smoking wouldn't be allowed, although Kishimoto did it anyway. Additionally, he tried to make Hidan's design look less intimidating.

5. The reason why Kishimoto decided not to have Jiraiya return using Edo Tensei was because he felt as though Jiraiya's death was spectacular, and as such, it would have been hard to draw Naruto's reaction to seeing him.

6. Kishimoto was troubled by Sakura's lack of popularity among the readers. In trying to increase her popularity, whenever he was drawing the covers, Kishimoto spent extra time drawing and re-drawing Sakura, worried that he would make her ugly.

Also, Hinata's popularity, despite being a secondary character, had once caused Kishimoto to have the idea of turning Hinata into the main heroine of the story.

7. Kishimoto had planned to let Neji die so that Naruto and Hinata could get closer to one another, which was why Hinata brought her daughter to visit his grave in chapter 700, and why Naruto's son, Boruto and Neji had the same meaning. Kishimoto said, "I needed a factor for Hinata to become more like Naruto's heroine so I made Neji act as a Cupid...."

8. Each time Naruto knocked out his enemies, Kishimoto would draw the shot from several different angles, which was inspired by Jackie Chan's martial arts films. Also, when doing these knockout scenes, Kishimoto doesn't like to draw the characters' face, as he feels as though revealing the faces would diminish the impact of the attack and the artwork.

9. At the end of the Naruto and Sasuke fight, the original intention was that they finished while holding hands, but Kishimoto changed his mind and cut their hands instead, making the ending more gory.

10. After introducing next year's movie and the Naruto exhibition 2015, Kishimoto also revealed that Orochimaru, Kabuto, and other lesser characters would be re-appearing in the Boruto series, in order to finish the main plot. After that, Kishi says he will be taking time off in order to relax, as well as get together with his assistant to discuss details of his next series. It is unclear whether the new series will be based on ninjas or a totally new theme.

Here is the full length video of the the interview (in Japanese):

Also, Hinata's popularity, despite being a secondary character, had once caused Kishimoto to have the idea of turning Hinata into the main heroine of the story.

7. Kishimoto had planned to let Neji die so that Naruto and Hinata could get closer to one another, which was why Hinata brought her daughter to visit his grave in chapter 700, and why Naruto's son, Boruto and Neji had the same meaning. Kishimoto said, "I needed a factor for Hinata to become more like Naruto's heroine so I made Neji act as a Cupid...."

Those funny funny denials.
 

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Naruto?A Goku incarnate?LMAO

When did Goku's TnJ ever succeed?Lol Better yet did Goku even kiss Vegeta's ass when he got evil?The differences are striking

And yes anyone who likes Hinata over Naruto is a pure idiot with VERY VERY low standards for quality literature.I am sorry for being rude but I find this idea as the definition of stupidity
Sorry, you are a confirmed idiot.
I rest my case with you.
 

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You still sound as if NaruHina can only be seen as GOOD only in comparison to the awful SasuSaku.
That's Radon's point - but that's NOT MY point AT ALL.
I like NaruHina and Hinata just for THEM, NOT in comparison to SasuSaku or even Sakura.
I'm just seriously bothered by people PREFERRING the ABUSE over the ADMIRATION.
THAT is beyond any common sense to ME.

Do you read other mangas?I have seen the equivalent of NaruHina in many books and they were 100x more developed in a manner that didnt make the female look just like pairing fodder.NaruHina is only good in the Naruto manga.It hardly stands a chance at even being called "good" if we were to compare it to other fictions
 

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I would just leave here and then you can keep letting out your girly wails in the corner:





Those funny funny denials.

I will make his argument for him because I know his idiocracy."Kishi is a CONFIRMED troll in interviews.I REFUSE to BELIEVE THAT Neji died for NaruHina"
 

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Personally I feel SasuSaku's negative moments were emphasised much more than NH positive moments.After 615 there was literally nothing but we could still see SS albeit negative right till the end
So from a strict manga perspective SS has much more to remember than NH because it was action packed so to speak and involved Sasuke a character who is not lovey dovey to begin with whereas with Naruto,it was honestly not much paying attention to Hinata at all

If you wanna look at it that way than I cannot disagree. Both Sakura and Sasuke were part of the main squad of team seven. They will be remembered alot more than NaruHina who may have lesser panel time together. How ever NaruHina is still getting a movie, while they are not. So this statement could still be debateable.

Was it even that hard to do NH development at the end by saving her from IT and doing those battle combos?And he could still have kept up the ship teases with the others to not make it apparent

Forget that how about extending the fight between Naruto and Sasuke? Don't you feel there is something with that fight? The ending was rushed no question about it. Atleast NaruHina has a movie. I will be looking forward to that. But no doubt it could have been handled alot better.
 

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Note that this respect and admiration can also be born out of just finding the other person good looking.
Do you know ANY REAL LIFE couple that has all of the below-listed qualities AT ONCE?
*They love each other romantically.
*They don't admire or respect anything about the other except their body.
*They don't share any common interests whatsoever.
*They only care about having *** with each other, not raising kids or doing social work.
*They are married for over 10 years and are older than 40.
*They don't hate or abuse each other physically or verbally on common routine.
*They don't have monetary or religious (or other similar) reasons to not divorce.
Cause that's pretty much pre-699 MANGA SasuSaku (minus the age part used for the real-life testing).
OR any quickly-dissolving AFFAIR you can see in REAL LIFE.
Normal marriages won't SURVIVE for that long under these conditions.
 

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I will make his argument for him because I know his idiocracy."Kishi is a CONFIRMED troll in interviews.I REFUSE to BELIEVE THAT Neji died for NaruHina"

He and any other NH fan can spew all garbage they like, in the end, I was right on the money for NH and SS. They were never canon as far as plot goes.
 

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Do you read other mangas?I have seen the equivalent of NaruHina in many books and they were 100x more developed in a manner that didnt make the female look just like pairing fodder.NaruHina is only good in the Naruto manga.It hardly stands a chance at even being called "good" if we were to compare it to other fictions
Examples?
Just keep in mind these points about Hinata:
*Selfless love.
*Willing to sacrifice herself for her loved one.
*Doing that the second time, despite being ignored after her open confession during her almost-death the first time.
*Having realistic reasons for loving the guy, mostly revolving about him inspiring her to better herself.
*Not actually dying because of her sacrifice.
*Being the only character that verbally and openly shares the HERO's philosophy.
*Being the one to snap the HERO out of his depression on several occasions.
*Doing so exactly by reminding him of their shared philosophy.
Etc.
So, is there any other character with THESE qualities???
 

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I will make his argument for him because I know his idiocracy."Kishi is a CONFIRMED troll in interviews.I REFUSE to BELIEVE THAT Neji died for NaruHina"
No.
I refuse to give Kishi's words in the interview MORE validity than Kishi's (Neji's) words in the manga.
Note: BOTH are Kishi's words anyways, no?
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KEY WORDS:
Fate, failure, genius, father, understand, chose, protect, heroic.
NONE of those have anything to do with Hinata or NaruHina.
 

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He and any other NH fan can spew all garbage they like, in the end, I was right on the money for NH and SS. They were never canon as far as plot goes.
I pity you in REAL LIFE...
 

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I pity you all. Right now.

I read the last couple of pages but I still don't get why or what is you're arguing over exactly.

Reads like: "Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah! Blah blah."
 
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