What is uncool or lame about kindness or being civilized? Why like rudeness?

[chaos control]

He didn't tell her she was useless, stop exagerrating. All he said was there's nothing more she can do and he said that in the context of the situation they were in then.

You must have read a different translation. Maybe the viz said otherwise, but I have seen the panel say "You're useless. There's nothing you can do". Even if what you say is correct, it is still unnecessary. The neutral version suffices.

 

[KingHashirama]

You think authors can't enjoy writing villains? But well, to each their own. I don't see why I can't like a character for how they are written, even if I don't agree with their actions - or rather wouldn't if they were real. I don't even agree with my faves' actions quite often, yet I still like them for some reason.

This isn't about enjoyment, this is about the purpose of having villains.

And also, thats you.. see you are able to do that. People like me who has seen some stuff, can't do that.. and we can't take the wanking regarding those characters.

But of course everyone has their own opinions. But, the point was is someone wants to say Naruto is a trash character cause he is a good goodie then they need a life .


Naruto manga means something completely different to me to me than someone else like you.

 

[awesomeseimei]

This isn't about enjoyment, this is about the purpose of having villains.

And also, thats you.. see you are able to do that. People like me who has seen some stuff, can't do that.. and we can't take the wanking regarding those characters.

But of course everyone has their own opinions. But, the point was is someone wants to say Naruto is a trash character cause he is a good goodie then they need a life .


Naruto manga means something completely different to me to me than someone else like you.

I actually agree on the Naruto part - I like his kindness and optimism, this is one of the reasons I'm still enjoying the manga. Besides like IT said, I never say that what villains do is justified, and I dislike those 100% redemptions. And trust me, I don't agree with evil deeds, real or not. But at the same time I don't hate fictional characters since they are, well, fiction.

 

[NukaCola]

edgelords are attracted to edgelords.

 

[lucario14]

Not sure man. Why do people like Kakashi? Tobirama? Madara? Vegeta? Piccolo? Seto Kaiba? Gary/Blue? Kai? Syaoran? Hiei? Sesshomaru? Prince Zuko? Are you saying you don't like any of these characters?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I don't really get all that "sue" stuff (as in Mary Sue) to be honest. In my opinion, that "sue" crap just sounds like something that a twisted and illogical person made up to make everything that is good and logical seem bad.

Examples:

I have heard people call really powerful characters "Mary Sue" (which they see as a bad thing). This is stupid and illogical because more power gives you the potential to be more efficient and successful with your goals. There is really no such thing as gaining too much power (unless of course your opponent is the one gaining this power).

Now you're telling me that people who are both smart and kind are "Mary Sue"? That is a load of crap! Intelligence is key in improving the state of the world as is benevolence!

These literary tropes make no sense!

Ginny Weasley from Harry Potter is my go-to Mary Sue. Because she's not really anything, I mean yeah she's pleasant and supportive but...

Hermoine is a smart, overly perfect character but she's no boring character. There's a clear difference between generic smart/decent/nice character and a bland character creation.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I see where you are going with this, but tell me this. I can respect what you are saying about waiting to truly understand someone, but does that mean that innocent people should have to just sit there and just let themselves be hurt by an oppressor just because the oppressor may have deep issues?

If a friend of mine dies and this sends me into a spiralling depression, does this give me the right to just come and abuse you when you did nothing to deserve said abuse?

Even if a person has reasons or issues, I can not accept a person projecting all of their hatred and vice onto innocent random other people!

I wouldn't be mad if you did. When you really know/understand someone, their 'flaws' make you feel bad or like wish you could help, because it all makes sense. Honestly, it's the same thing Naruto said to Sasuke after the Danzo fight.

 

[awesomeseimei]

I don't really get all that "sue" stuff (as in Mary Sue) to be honest. In my opinion, that "sue" crap just sounds like something that a twisted and illogical person made up to make everything that is good and logical seem bad.

Examples:

I have heard people call really powerful characters "Mary Sue" (which they see as a bad thing). This is stupid and illogical because more power gives you the potential to be more efficient and successful with your goals. There is really no such thing as gaining too much power (unless of course your opponent is the one gaining this power).

Now you're telling me that people who are both smart and kind are "Mary Sue"? That is a load of crap! Intelligence is key in improving the state of the world as is benevolence!

These literary tropes make no sense!

The term Mary Sue is more applicable to self-insert wish-fulfillment characters, often based off the author. They are not necessarily all-around "perfect", there are jerk types Mary Sues as well; they are more like what the author considers right, cool etc. They usually speak on the author's behalf, so to say, and they are always right - all characters who disagree are portrayed as bad or stupid.

Of course they are more common in fanfiction where they usually are created to be paired with the author's favorite canon character. Experienced writers know how to actually write characters with human-like traits that aren't simply wish fulfillment vehicles, even if said characters have little personality development.

In other words, Mary Sue is an actual thing, but people sometimes use it just to describe characters they dislike.

 

[chaos control]

I wouldn't be mad if you did. When you really know/understand someone, their 'flaws' make you feel bad or like wish you could help, because it all makes sense. Honestly, it's the same thing Naruto said to Sasuke after the Danzo fight.

That is admirable philosophically, but here is the one flaw in this thinking. You say that when you really know and understand someone , you feel bad and wish you could help. However, if you don't understand that person or if you didn't even know that they had a problem at all, then all of their attacks on you would only seem random (like they are just being a jerk) and you would not know whether they are doing this because of some deep mental issue or just because that is simply their nature.

If you don't know this person, then even if the person does have issues, you don't know this, so the attacks on you automatically seem to be their nature. You can't feel sorry for a person if a person doesn't tell you their issues.

You may say that you shouldn't just assume someone to be a bad person, but you also shouldn't assume that they are good and just have issues either.

Either way, if someone just randomly projects their attacks on you, then nothing is getting solved and you just end up getting hurt!

There is a proper way to get someone to understand your feelings and that way is to sit down and talk about them. It is not to bring pain to other innocent people.

For someone like Sasuke, I'd be fine with talking to him and trying to offer comfort, but I will not take his abuse. Compassion is one thing, but just being punching bag for someone who may or may not have mental issues is different. The latter is just stupid!

I don't know whether or not you are one of those people who believes that nobody is purely evil, but I say otherwise! Therefore, if someone comes and attacks me, I will not accept and tolerate it! I'll comfort them if they simply talk to me about their problems in a civilized manner, but I will not take their hatred! I do not assume that every jerk is just someone with issues!

Finally, nobody has a right to hurt innocent people just because they have issues! Use your civilized words to seek comfort or keep your mouth shut! We all have problems!