[Discussion] What is the reason for homosexuality?

[FreakensteinAG]

you know what hypothesis are right? It is simply educated guesses.

No, no, no.

Hypothesis: a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

You're looking for the word "conjecture" or "layman theory".

Those types of researches are on the premise of preference. That's what makes it psychological.
Those data gather are imperical and not factual. How does one prove tendency traits? how can one prove that those traits will lead into homosexuality?

Empirical evidence is the absolute best that Science can do. Science cannot be 100% correct, because that would destroy the creed of the scientific philosophy.

You can prove tendency traits by measuring hormone levels in the brain, anatomical regularity in the brain, the works. Traits do not *lead* to homosexuality. As I've told the thread from Post #2, individuals do not adapt by themselves. The Population evolves over several generations.

So to end all this debacle, find me proof of a natural occurring sperm on sperm/egg on egg reproduction.

What part are you not getting that the monogenic or polygenic traits of homosexuality are carrier genes that are passed on from a sperm and an egg? I swear I've posted this thrice. The fusion of *** cells is literally irrelevant.

your fault is you assume, you also assume that those research has been PROVEN facts. they are merely hypotheses.

I don't think the word means what you think it means.

I will make you learn, dammit!

 

[slimreaper]

I assume you meant desegregation, so holy shit, what a racist insinuation. I'm glad you showed your true colors.

@FreakensteinAG: There has been something I've been wondering: What would be the evolutional function of gender dysphoria? Is it something you could classify as a biological mishap, and in the same sense, should homosexuality be grouped with GD as a medical condition? Note that I'm not implying there should be treatment for homosexuality since you can't treat it, and acceptance would be the best treatment in the same sense that transitioning is the best treatment for GD.

I know that in both situations, there's a combination of factors that contribute to both: pheromones, hormones, brain structure, etc.

"my true colors". I hate to break it to you but those are your true colors also. People will always be at each others throats as long as we keep mashing different cultures together constantly

 

[wanderingcactus]

No, no, no.

Hypothesis: a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

You're looking for the word "conjecture" or "layman theory".



Empirical evidence is the absolute best that Science can do. Science cannot be 100% correct, because that would destroy the creed of the scientific philosophy.

You can prove tendency traits by measuring hormone levels in the brain, anatomical regularity in the brain, the works. Traits do not *lead* to homosexuality. As I've told the thread from Post #2, individuals do not adapt by themselves. The Population evolves over several generations.



What part are you not getting that the monogenic or polygenic traits of homosexuality are carrier genes that are passed on from a sperm and an egg? I swear I've posted this thrice. The fusion of *** cells is literally irrelevant.



I don't think the word means what you think it means.

I will make you learn, dammit!

was looking for homosexual reproduction (sperm on sperm/egg on egg - not sperm and egg). That is what this whole thread was about. I get what you were saying but we seem to keep missing each other's point.

thank you for taking your time to make me see it but this thread has gotten way off course lol.

I really see no point of homosexuality as its based on pleasure. As you said, traits may play a role on how the brain is sturctured and thus can influence a person's preference. But at that point, that part becomes a grey area. Which is due to nature and which one is due to nurture. I simply see homosexuality (as I does not see homosexual reproduction occurring naturally ATM) as a psychological trait and therefore does not exist in the premise of nature (as a fact to say the least).

So I do have the same question as the OP, what is its PURPOSE (not the cause)?

 

[Fresco]

"my true colors". I hate to break it to you but those are your true colors also. People will always be at each others throats as long as we keep mashing different cultures together constantly

You can't seriously make uneducated statements like that while ignoring the very positive effects of desegregations and multiculturalism overall. You also ignore two things: race relations today are a lot better because of integration, but they're still not perfect due to systematic racism. Secondly, there's still contemporary segregation in the US. For example, whites make up more suburbs and blacks make up more urban centers. This is due to many factors. I know the best treatment for a racist is to be in contact with other races frequently.

Anyways, this is off topic, but you can make a thread if you want, and I'd be happy to discuss it with you.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

"my true colors". I hate to break it to you but those are your true colors also. People will always be at each others throats as long as we keep mashing different cultures together constantly

I hate to say this but I really agree with the bold. People just say "f*ck it, they'll understand each other" but in reality all that happens is one culture dissolves another. A lot of people think culture is just art and music but it includes ways of life, morality, and religion. It's only logical that people will be at each other's throats and to expect change just like that is idiotic at best.

I was born in the U.S and raised in Canada and I'm Afghan. Seeing my family throw away their beliefs and morality really pisses me off and I've even been raised to tolerate others so that says a lot. Even my parents have thrown them away to an extent. I shouldn't be like this but I am. Imagine those who weren't born in multicultural nations and weren't raised to be tolerant.

 

[slimreaper]

You can't seriously make uneducated statements like that while ignoring the very positive effects of desegregations and multiculturalism overall. You also ignore two things: race relations today are a lot better because of integration, but they're still not perfect due to systematic racism. Secondly, there's still contemporary segregation in the US. For example, whites make up more suburbs and blacks make up more urban centers. This is due to many factors. I know the best treatment for a racist is to be in contact with other races frequently.

Anyways, this is off topic, but you can make a thread if you want, and I'd be happy to discuss it with you.

Just look at this quote from Lincoln

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Even he saw that we can't live together, no where in human history have different races lived among each other and not been at odds culturally. Assimilation is the only key, and i'll be damned if I'm gonna assimilate to black culture.

There is no point of a thread, it's fact

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[CornyRainbow]

Why does it need to serve a purpose?

 

[SSU]

I never said it was a choice, but what is the evolutionary reason for it? Evolutionary population control?

Maybe it is for population control. But my reasoning is that we have evolved so much that our brains have become so complex and we think and behave differently than others.

 

[slimreaper]

Maybe it is for population control. But my reasoning is that we have evolved so much that our brains have become so complex and we think and behave differently than others.

Nature is already doing that cancer, AIDS, Tsunami's etc

 

[Multiply]

Just look at this quote from Lincoln

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Even he saw that we can't live together, no where in human history have different races lived among each other and not been at odds culturally. Assimilation is the only key, and i'll be damned if I'm gonna assimilate to black culture.

There is no point of a thread, it's fact

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Who ever said President Lincoln was the smartest man alive? In the end he's still a racist that freed the slaves for personal gain(Potential to weaken the south and more man power). However, regardless of his personal views, he still freed the slaves and opened the gate to the society we have now. The man is not perfect and he was a racist, but he still started something good for the country.

There is no natural law that says blacks and whites will always fight. That is human construct.

 

[slimreaper]

Who ever said President Lincoln was the smartest man alive? In the end he's still a racist that freed the slaves for personal gain(Potential to weaken the south and more man power). However, regardless of his personal views, he still freed the slaves and opened the gate to the society we have now. The man is not perfect and he was a racist, but he still started something good for the country.

There is no natural law that says blacks and whites will always fight. That is human construct.

That is natural law. Give me another instance of different people living in eternal harmony not constantly fighting about personal differences.

 

[Ripple Hole]

That is natural law. Give me another instance of different people living in eternal harmony not constantly fighting about personal differences.

What you're saying proves nothing ._.
You're literally saying "Give me an instance where people don't fight because of differences."
That's kinda the major ****ing reason fights happen, and everything, EVERYTHING, can be different.

Jimmy fought Bill because he thought different from Bill, that he shouldn't get the cookie.
Hank beat Jill, because Jill thought Hank was being mean purposely, though Hank thought he
was being nice.

When looking for a solution you narrow the list down, not increase it....

 

[Multiply]

That is natural law. Give me another instance of different people living in eternal harmony not constantly fighting about personal differences.

So you're saying the only reason people fight is because of their skin color difference?

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I'm glad this is over :lol.

 

[slimreaper]

What you're saying proves nothing ._.
You're literally saying "Give me an instance where people don't fight because of differences."
That's kinda the major ****ing reason fights happen, and everything, EVERYTHING, can be different.

Jimmy fought Bill because he thought different from Bill, that he shouldn't get the cookie.
Hank beat Jill, because Jill thought Hank was being mean purposely, though Hank thought he
was being nice.

When looking for a solution you narrow the list down, not increase it....

So you're saying the only reason people fight is because of their skin color difference?

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I'm glad this is over :lol.

I'll respond the same to both of you, it's more about cultural differences than about skin color. People naturally hate those who are different from them. I'm not talking about why individuals fight, I'm talking about why people fight. Yall always try to bring these things back down to an individual level

 

[Ripple Hole]

I'll respond the same to both of you, it's more about cultural differences than about skin color. People naturally hate those who are different from them. I'm not talking about why individuals fight, I'm talking about why people fight. Yall always try to bring these things back down to an individual level

Oh, you're saying the different cultures, which are usually signified by skin colors, would
clash? People can't be separated forever, and there's a start for everything.
:bdpf:
The more cultures people are exposed to the more accepting they are,
best to start young and early bb.

 

[Yubel]

Population control and lesbian porno.

What would be the reason for population control? What gives anyone the right to think they should decide how many people should live? Also why would you watch lesbian porn? Porn in general is addictive, people should try to get away from it. More porn isn't a good thing.

 

[Ripple Hole]

What would be the reason for population control? Also why would you watch lesbian porn? Porn in general is addictive, people should try to get away from it.

Maximum sustainable yield, too much of something will eventually start to quickly
consume the materials survived upon, and screw over many, with more losses as
opposed to a long lived gain of a somewhat smaller population with lesser requirements.

I also don't understand why human homosexuality's purpose is being questioned,
especially considering so many common animals such as dogs, cats, etc, go homo.
Guess OP truly wanted to know what other's thought of it.

 

[Yubel]

Maximum sustainable yield, too much of something will eventually start to quickly
consume the materials survived upon, and screw over many, with more losses as
opposed to a long lived gain of a somewhat smaller population with lesser requirements.

I also don't understand why human homosexuality's purpose is being questioned,
especially considering so many common animals such as dogs, cats, etc, go homo.
Guess OP truly wanted to know what other's thought of it.

That assumes there aren't enough material to survive upon but poverty could end today if people wanted to. Greed is the only thing that makes the earth's resources scarce but with no greed we could be 20 billion and still have abundance. When there comes a point where humanity are truly growing overpopulated, it would force us to explore ways we can maximize our planets resources. It would also motivate us to start looking for other planets to breed our species.

 

[Ōkami]

What would be the reason for population control? What gives anyone the right to think they should decide how many people should live? Also why would you watch lesbian porn? Porn in general is addictive, people should try to get away from it. More porn isn't a good thing.

If you're legitimately taking that post seriously then you need to reevaluate your stance on life.

 

[Ripple Hole]

That assumes there aren't enough material to survive on but poverty could end today if people wanted. Greed is the only thing that makes the earth's resources scarce but with no greed we could be 20 billion and still hve abundance. When there comes a point where humanity are truly growing overpopulated, it would force us to explore ways we can maximize our planets resources. It would also motivate us to start looking for other planets to breed our species.

No, it really doesn't. It's really as simple as
"If there are more of us, there'd be less of this, if "this" and the other "this" gets too low, we're all dead."
When lives don't simply increase by a simple +1 +1, but instead more of x.87, resources die quick, and
competition becomes tough.

Tough competition defeats the purpose of breeding, since you're only creating more competition.