What if science worked like religion?

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[...]but Muslim women never said anything in public(if happen care to show me the article) about being oppressed bcus they covered all their body and they willing to do so actually.
Yes, because they would be killed or punished otherwise if they said anything xD
Don't you get it?
 

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And its clear as the day but Muslim women never said anything in public(if happen care to show me the article) about being oppressed bcus they covered all their body and they willing to do so actually.
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Yes, actually. How am I supposed to believe the primitive single cell eventually became things such as humans and bears and lizards (who have more info in them) if no info can be added.

I've studied some of it, naturally. Obviously, this is my own conclusion, just as you've drawn a conclusion despite not knowing everything on said subjects.

You mention that only a qualified person can make a judgement on a subject they are knowledgeable in, yet just a few hours ago you were acting like you knew what Islam is and isn't despite being an atheist.

Except I've seen algebra, on the other hand, I nor anyone else have ever seen info being added to anything through mutations.
Do you believe they spontaneously arose as live living bears, and living lizards, and living humans as they currently exist spontaneously? Lol, thats an incredibly ignorant explanation, in fact it isn't even an explanation at all, its dodging the question, really. Science doesn't work like that. Nor does it care what you choose to believe. But it is belittling to the human intellect to ignore science(all this has nothing to do with religion btw).

Well, i grew up in a muslim country and as a former muslim, i've studied islam and the quran which is why i do have a fair amount of knowledge on that subject.

@ bold:
Have you seen whales, and dugongs and dolphins? They live in the sea yet have lungs like land mammals. Why?

Have you seen the fossils of dinosaurs? Why are there remains of creatures that no longer exist?

Have you seen ostriches? Why do they have wings when they never fly?

Have you seen penguins? They are very clearly birds in anatomy yet they dont fly either. Why?

Have you seen the human tailbone? People in africa have sickle cell anemia while europeans don't. Why?

Have you seen bats and flying insects? Why do not a single one of them have feathers in their wings, while all birds do?


If anyone were to attempt to honestly answer any of the above, or about a thousand other such similar questions, the answer is evolution.That is the real proof, the comparative study of living things as they currently exist. Stop spreading ignorance and misinformation to defend your beliefs, or is your faith so weak that it can't handle science??

But perhaps i should stop. In the end, it doesn't matter to science what any individual chooses to believe. Good luck with your ignorance.
 
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Well if the penalty for apostasy is death, then can you really blame women for not leaving? lol

Hundreds of generations of women have been taught by islam that they are lesser than men, that they have to cover themself up, that they don't have as much rights as men. They have been oppressed to the point where they think they actually don't have rights. It's called inferiority complex.
Wrong. Apostasy is not punishable by death.

There is no compulsion in religion. Right has become distinct from wrong. So whoever rejects evil and puts faith in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And God is hearing, knowing. (2:256)


Surely those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again) and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief, God will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way. (4:137)


Not to mention I asked why are many woman CONVERTING (ei non muslims becoming muslims) into Islam, not why born-muslim woman aren't leaving the religion. Only thing you proved with this epic remark of yours is your lack the capability to understand the most basic of statements.

Wrong again. Islam considers both sexes and all races equal, with the only factor distinguishing them is their goodness.

How exactly is covering oneself a bad thing?

Wrong for the millionth time. It's not a matter of not having as many rights as men, it's a matter of men and woman having different rights. Example, it's a woman's right for the men of her family to look after her, and it is the right of a man to inherit double that of a woman when it comes to inheritance.
 

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People are still beating a horse that's been dead since before thier parents were even born?

And what is so seriously wrong with believing in something, not because it can be proven true, but soley because you have faith its true again?

These science vs religion debates are so ****ing uneccessary and petty. Humanity is ****ing doomed if we can't get passed this stupid shit yet.
 
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So what if science found that Jesus was able to do this through scientific means that seemed like magic back then. You go on the assumption that everything written in the bible(or any religious literature) is supposed to be taken literally. They are metaphor-stories which are told in order to give those who are lost in life a sense of understanding, hope that there is something greater at work in the universe. Even scientist believe this.they teach lessons such as be kind to your fellow man and so forth. It is man who interperates them in obscure ways and in some cases, uses them toward evil means. It is not the religion at fault but how mankind perceives those lessons.

You do science no favor by dismissing that which cannot be explained as fallacy or idiocy.
There are no "What ifs" with Science.

We already know how wine is produced -_-

 

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Men there sure have sexual problem but it occured not bcus of Faith but their inability to contained/controled their sexual desire and not something to do with their faith. They are human after all with sexual desire.

I'm not found any reasoning from all this Egyptian women about Egyptian men's faith causing this misshaped.
 
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Men there sure have sexual problem but it occured not bcus of Faith but their inability to contained/controled their sexual desire and not something to do with their faith. They are human after all with sexual desire.

I'm not found any reasoning from all this Egyptian women about Egyptian men's faith causing this misshaped.
Same old record keeps playing.

Either way it's because of religion. Of all the places in the world women's right are the lowest in islamic states, because of SHARIA LAW. Whis IS based on RELIGION and FAITH.

99% of women in Egypt have been the victims of sexual harrasment. In a country where sharia law is enforced. A law which explicitly makes women lesser than men.

You not being able to connect a few dots on your own is not my problem. Don't quote me again if you're not going to think about these things for yourself at first. I mean really think.
 

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Men there sure have sexual problem but it occured not bcus of Faith but their inability to contained/controled their sexual desire and not something to do with their faith. They are human after all with sexual desire.

I'm not found any reasoning from all this Egyptian women about Egyptian men's faith causing this misshaped.
Could it be that such a strict and oppressive belief system has caused many of these men to repress their desires to the point that we are now seeing those repressed desires unleashed? Especially once they get out of their home countries and into less restrictive countries where they no longer have to repress themselves? Just a thought...
 

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I won't even bother reading the rest of your lies.
I provided verses form the Quran, Islam's #1 source on laws and rules. What Muslims in those countries choose to do is detached from what the religion teaches, especially if they contradict the religion. If a wide group of Muslims go around claiming that Prophet Muhammad is a God, does that suddenly mean the Islamic Religion says Prophet Muhammad is a God? No. Likewise, it doesn't matter what those people do or don't do. Because the verses make it very clear that apostasy is not a call for a death penalty and it never will be.

99% of women in Egypt have been the victims of sexual harrasment. In a country where sharia law is enforced. A law which explicitly makes women lesser than men.
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No country in the world today enforces Sharia law 100%, don't kid yourself. Even in so called Islamic countries, only a small handful of Islamic laws are actually upheld.
 
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Because the verses make it very clear that apostasy is not a call for a death penalty and it never will be.



No country in the world today enforces Sharia law 100%, don't kid yourself. Even in so called Islamic countries, only a small handful of Islamic laws are actually upheld.
And yet it is, in the laws and in people's minds:

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Even if they'd enforce it 1% it would still be too much.
 

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Could it be that such a strict and oppressive belief system has caused many of these men to repress their desires to the point that we are now seeing those repressed desires unleashed? Especially once they get out of their home countries and into less restrictive countries where they no longer have to repress themselves? Just a thought...
I believe that people shouldn't just follow a faith just because their parents did so. Because then it means they don't whole heartedly believe the faith. Sure, one may keep the faith of their parents and actually accept it if they see fit. But in most muslim countries, and from my experience, even in Muslim communities in 1st world countries, people are shunned when they leave the faith and sometimes are physically abused (which I will say right now is not part of Islam's laws, Hawker). This fear is what probably keeps them in the religion, and once they are granted their freedom, they go wild.

Long story short, they don't genuinely accept the faith, thus when they are granted the opportunity to break all the laws of faith in a 1st world country they do so. However, this isn't to say this is the case for all Muslim men and woman, as I know many Muslims of both sexes who remained chaste until marriage, most of them born muslims of course.

And yet it is, in the laws and in people's minds:

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Even if they'd enforce it 1% it would still be too much.
What people think/do/support =/= What the religion preaches.

Despite providing verses from the holy book of Islam, you still insist on you fallacious facts, And you have the nerve to call me close-minded.
 
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