What do YOU think Prime Hiruzen's limits are?

[itachi78]

If Madara is defeated by a character, then people will make threads on how that character is stronger than Madara, the truth is EMS/Rinnegan Madara is the strongest after So6p, Hashi just after (although I thought hashi is stronger Madara) , don't get me wrong Hiruzen is strong but not as strong as Hashi. Your talking about feats, Hashi defeated Madara + Nine Tails, would Hiruzen be able to do that?

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

hashi>hiruzen
i don't care what the manga says

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[Sephy100]

I've never heard of Hiruzen being able to change an entire battlefield to the point where maps needed to be re-drawn. Kage's are shinobi's too so keep that in mind when you try to use this image

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[juankimari]

Hiruzen>Hashi

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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Notice how ALL the panels avoid STATING he was the strongest for real..rather they point that he was CALLED or SAID to be.
Hashirama's power was considered a myth hence people said based on their knowledge Hiruzen was the strongest.

No one really believe SO6P to have been real either, but as it turns out both Hashi's prowess and the existance of SO6P were real, it's just that people only learned about it with the recent events in the manga.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

I dont know about this high/med/low Kage rank that you made up

If anything Hashirama is not in a league of his own, which you seem to believe by looks of the poll
And Hiruzen>Hashirama
As much techs Edo Madara has, i can see prime Hiruzen using RDS, therefore making it a draw
Just my opinion

And theres other Kages that can beat Hashirama, not just Hiruzen

 

[ajbum88]

Oh sorry i didn't put the full image on. On here, Hiruzen told Iruka to not to use Past Tense. Meaning he's over all 5 Nation / Konoha Kages even in his old age.

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I would have to agree with -logic-.. The term used was "it was said". Ain't no matter if it's in the past or present tense. It simply states that most people believe he is the strongest and i think it's because they thought that hashi's power was a fairytale and chose not to believe in it at all.

 

[ajbum88]

I wouldn't rely on Hiruzens hype too much. Obviously, Kishimoto didn't consider on which kind of level he would turn the Manga and also didn't consider what kind of hype he'd give to Hashirama. The focus was lying on Hiruzen, the current Hokage, during we had no knowledge about Hashiramas powers, he was no one but the first Hokage, during part 2 of the Manga was more and more focusing on Hashirama and his fairy tale strength, a strength anyone is seeking for.

And the fight of the old Hiruzen against Shodaime and Nidaime just shows,
the level on which Kishimoto hold him back them, since didn't consider how important he would be in the second part. When Orochimaru summoned them both, Hiruzen just said, that they should be aware to lose against him. A 70 year old Hiruzen was telling this to the first and second Hokage in their best state. This has nothing to do with Orochimarus Edo Tensei but just with the level of Shodaime he has got from Kishimoto.

I personally think, that Hashirama was stronger.

Agreed. Since this is an ongoing series, some part were to be changed if necessary for a better plot. Although these changes are minimal because kishi can still rationalize it in shippuden.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

We havnt seen the limits of prime Hiruzen. He is definitely nt on the lvl of HASHI OR MADARA bt i guess he was a high lvl. kage just like the 3rd Raikage.

 

[ProjectOuterspace]

High-Level kage.. Thats about it, IMO...

To the whole Hiruzen>Hashirama matter...

The only person who knows Hashirama's true power to it's fullest extent was Uchiha Madara and even after acquiring the Rinnegan, a portion of Hashirama's DNA, unlimited Chakra and an Undying body; Uchiha Madara still states that Hashirama was the only one who could stop him...

Uchiha Madara didn't even mention Hiruzen or even wonder how is it that he died and appointed Tsunade as the next Hokage...

Uchiha Madara doesn't even know who Hiruzen is.

Hiruzen was a child while Madara was alive. So think before you speak. Madara clearly has never seen Hiruzen's prime.

 

[EnvyMyApex]

I would have to agree with -logic-.. The term used was "it was said". Ain't no matter if it's in the past or present tense. It simply states that most people believe he is the strongest and i think it's because they thought that hashi's power was a fairytale and chose not to believe in it at all.

Get the official translation from Viz Media.

 

[svladcjelli42]

Hiruzen beats Hashirama but is overall lesser than Hashirama. It's a matchup thing, like Guy vs. Kisame.
In the case of Hiruzen vs. Edo Hashirama and Tobirama, Hiruzen was facing their powers but not necessarily their minds. Edo Tensei clearly requires some concentration and direction on the part of the user, especially before Kabuto's more advanced version with it's optionally looser control. They were limited by Orochimaru's ninjutsu (top tier though that may be) and his tactics.

 

[Vexorian]

no that was perfect endo


he battled the nine tails

What I'm saying is he doesn't have the skillset to beat one with ease, or at all assuming he isn't using the Reaper Death Seal. Unlike Hashirama who can exert full control over any Bijuu.

On a side note, I'd like to point out that he wasn't having too much difficulty fighting Kurama, but that he was having difficulty defending the village while doing so.

 

[mintoandkushina]

Hiruzen>Hashi

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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That's part 1. In that part Kishi didn't intend Hashi to be the strongest. This has been brought up SO many times. Comon just stop with this "proof":flaw:

 

[NinjaTendo 64]

to be honest i really cant see hiruzen beating current madara so i would put him under the 1st & the 2nd
well thats what i think anyways

 

[LegendaryAce]

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where does the manga say hiruzen>hashirama?

all ive seen was he drew with a mindless hashirama + mindless tobirama and lost to orochimaru.

 

[Vexorian]

where does the manga say hiruzen>hashirama?

all ive seen was he drew with a mindless hashirama + mindless tobirama and lost to orochimaru.

Defeated Hashirama and Tobirama, and drew with Orochimaru, or defeated him as well(he completed his goal; to save the vllage.) That's another way to look at it.

 

[Styles]

Uchiha Madara doesn't even know who Hiruzen is.

Hiruzen was a child while Madara was alive. So think before you speak. Madara clearly has never seen Hiruzen's prime.

well i don't know about that madara seems to know nagato who is way younger than hiruzen

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He is definitely high kage level in his prime but less powerful than Hashirama in terms of raw power, I think he is somewhat underrated by the fan base because he had trouble fighting Oro but he was old already and had limited chakra compared to his prime, plus he had to fight two edo tensei hokage at the same time but he hold out well, and lets not underestimate his sacrifice in sealing the first and second hokage, if Kabuto edo tensei them during the 4th shinobi world war along with Madara it would have been a much tremendous problem.