I've been reading all of your back and forth comments, and this is absolutely where we have got to draw the line... :flaw:
The manga said the 3rd was said to be the strongest kage, but the manga also said that the 1st was the strongest shinobi ever and compared him to the SO6P...which manga page are you going by cause the manga just contridicted itself...
no that was perfect endoThese listings make little sense to me, I can kind of get the High Mid Low Kage tiers. I don't understand why Hashi gets a tier since he hasn't shown us anything other than some sub-par combat during part 1 as an imperfect edo, so I can't use him as a basis. Edo Madara certainly deserves his own tier but would more than likely outclass the Third. Why is Rikkudo up there, another wasted space.
So we are left with Edo Madara > High > Mid > Low .. but we have no other comparison in terms of characters. Assuming the good Kages are all put in the High tier he's in that category or somewhere between that and the next step. Too difficult to place him since we don't have a great idea of what he truly was capable of.
Not sure where I weigh in on this one. Hiruzen doesn't have the skillset to fight a Bijuu, that much is to be sure. If we're talking a Shinobi, whether it be an Uchiha, or anybody without the Rinnegan for that matter, he can win. That's my belief. So I'd put him on the level of any INDIVIDUAL that doesn't have the Rinnegan, but not on the level of any Bijuu. He can take out Jinchuuriki with Shiki Fuujin, though.
:sy: how in the **** did you get to that conclusion my godThat's not my only proof. I also have my ace card.
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Old Hiruzen>Itachi.
That's reasonable, and your mere excuses can't deny that! You can clearly see that it's Itachi bowing before his Lord, instead of reverse!
And since Old Hiruzen>Itachi then Prime Hiruzen>2 Hashiramas.
fairHe was more then likely the most powerful non KG user ever.
Obviously he does not compare to SO6P but he is beyond most shinobi.
He was easily on Hashirama's level and even higher since he has no real advantage over anybody since birth.
your having a laugh if you rank him as hashi , edo madara or sennin level....
mid kage imo , as an old dude he lost to oro, who is a low kage imo , which means even though he was old , strength doesnt deminish by that much... just movement and amounts of chakra.....
I think he is more skilful than Hashi, and is just better as a shinobi overall. Hashi got the recognition he did because he could suppress and control tailed beasts and to control beasts of that power would have been considered godly, it doesn't mean that he is a better shinobi than everyone else.
So he is at Hashi's level, but I would say he is just above, but wouldn't have the power of Hashi's techniques but luckily, power is not all important.