What do YOU think Prime Hiruzen's limits are?

[TouchMyMangos]

Well, it seems everyone has a different opinion when it comes to 'Prime Hiruzen'. This isn't a vs thread or anything, simply, how strong do YOU personally think he is, going by everything you've seen in the manga and/or databooks? Above Hashirama? Low Kage level? Near the likes of 3rd Raikage? Could he solo the current 5 Kage? What are your thoughts?

 

[Negative Knight]

Just under Hashirama due to Wood Release

Same Tier as Hashi but just weaker than him

 

[monkeyking7]

to much of a gray area and a very heated subject to much to enjoy and have a reasonble conversation about

 

[Phoenix Wright]

Hiruzen>Hashi

My thoughts.

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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[-Logic-]

I'd say only slightly better. As you age you become slower, and weaker. So, in his prime he was probably a lot faster/agile/powerful. Although, it doesn't boost him to Hashi's level.

 

[cabby007]

i believe hiruzen is stronger than hashi but hashirama has wood release which would be extremely helpful in battle

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Poll is up.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Personally, I think he's as strong as Hashirama, but Hashirama owns because of his unique techniques.

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

High Kage level

 

[Gaarafan1]

definately high kage

 

[-Logic-]

Hiruzen>Hashi

My thoughts.

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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You ******... first of all. Those images state "it was SAID" and lemme tell you why. Hashirama CLEARLY was on another level, SOT6P's level, as stated by Kabuto. Thing is, all his opponents couldn't stand up to him so he killed them and people thought it was his full power. So basically, people didn't see his true colours. That's why they think Hiruzen > Hashi. When he fought Madara he went all out, but no one saw it.

 

[Seiler]

He is a incredibly skilled and powerful shinobi, no doubt about that.
I think that he's in the high end of the kage scale, far from hashi though and just a bit under Minato.
On par with the likes of Oonoki and third raikage.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

High-Level kage.. Thats about it, IMO...

To the whole Hiruzen>Hashirama matter...

The only person who knows Hashirama's true power to it's fullest extent was Uchiha Madara and even after acquiring the Rinnegan, a portion of Hashirama's DNA, unlimited Chakra and an Undying body; Uchiha Madara still states that Hashirama was the only one who could stop him...

Uchiha Madara didn't even mention Hiruzen or even wonder how is it that he died and appointed Tsunade as the next Hokage...

 

[Gèckö]

hashi>hiruzen
i don't care what the manga says

 

[Gold Lightning]

There's no such thing as prime Hiruzen, only old. When I see clips of prime Hiruzen then I'll vote.

From what I saw he must be high Kage but I don't think he is stronger than A, Ohnoki and arguable Gaara.

That's my opinion anyway.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

I personally think he was on Hashirama's level, considering Kabuto said there were ninja who were once on on the same tier as Shodaime.

 

[Phoenix Wright]

You ******... first of all. Those images state "it was SAID" and lemme tell you why. Hashirama CLEARLY was on another level, SOT6P's level, as stated by Kabuto. Thing is, all his opponents couldn't stand up to him so he killed them and people thought it was his full power. So basically, people didn't see his true colours. That's why they think Hiruzen > Hashi. When he fought Madara he went all out, but no one saw it.

Oh sorry i didn't put the full image on. On here, Hiruzen told Iruka to not to use Past Tense. Meaning he's over all 5 Nation / Konoha Kages even in his old age.

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[TouchMyMangos]

hashi>hiruzen
i don't care what the manga says

lol.

 

[Gooner4life]

I think he is more skilful than Hashi, and is just better as a shinobi overall. Hashi got the recognition he did because he could suppress and control tailed beasts and to control beasts of that power would have been considered godly, it doesn't mean that he is a better shinobi than everyone else.

So he is at Hashi's level, but I would say he is just above, but wouldn't have the power of Hashi's techniques but luckily, power is not all important.

 

[Skylar Knight]

yeah, Defiantly high kage level